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Celtic B team would have to be voted in....cant see that happening myself.
There is a queue of clubs sitting in the wings waiting for their chance to join the SFL...Spartans would definately be one of them.
They will be watching this situation with interest.....and if Rangers dont get in, I very much doubt there will be a Celtic B team, they will let another club in, reform the league structure at a later date so the pyramid system is in place, and if Rangers have to go lower or go a year outwith the league setup or whatever, then get up through that or get voted back in in a years time, thats what it means
No a single chance of that happening, and the reasons are simple.
FIFA laws prohibit any club being connected in any way with any other club within the same association.
So that knackers that due to UEFA & in fact that one a single SFA membership would be used.
Ask yourself - what happens if they draw each other in the Scottish Cup?
Complete non starter.
St3vie - I appreciate it would cause difficulties and you would think that because it's only going to be a temporary measure to help with numbers might make it a bit less aggravating? It's surely better than the 3rd division running with a team less, which would hurt all the clubs in that league as they would lose a home game.
So if say Spartans were to be brought in to the league and reform, pyramid structures and all that were brought in, where would Rangers have to start? Junior football?
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dc1 - Spanish teams have B teams in their lower leagues
They can even play in the second tier of Spanish football but are denied access to La Liga. I think when Celta Vigo were relegated their B team was relegated too as they couldn't be in the same league.
My understanding after a quick google is the B teams in Spain can't enter the Spanish Cup either so you would assume Celtic B wouldn't be allowed to either.
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I can't see it happening Ivan but I have been banging the b team drum for ages now.
Competitive matches in front of a crowd, the best way for young players to advance as footballers.
We could call the b team Shamrock Celtic
Never gonna happen
Davie, that's not true.
Barcelona and Real Madrid do it in Spain and also We wouldn't be under the same membership, SPL and SFL
Show us ra fockin title deeds first
I would assume a B team would have to apply for a membership of the SFA.
Thus giving a single board at Celtic 2 votes on the SFA.
Yeah.
Not going to happen.
What was that about sporting integrity?
I honestly dont know Ivan...they perhaps might not start again anywhere......they might just have to wait their turn to get back into the SFL and use Ibrox and Murray Park for other things for a while, I dont know.
No special treatment remember mate.......we have no god given right to be anywhere......the minute the SPL vote is cast and Dundee or Dunfermline are promoted, us along with Spartans and whoever else will be applying for the SFL....if we cant get in or wont be a candidate for that vote for whatever reason, then the others will get the votes, simple as
All that is happening here is a spot in the SFL will become available...its not exclusively a spot for Rangers to fill, so as far as I am concerned, another club will fill that spot if Rangers dont, and well, wherever that leaves us is where it leaves us and there is eff all we can do about it
Not at all dc1.
Like I said, it would be a temporary measure to ensure that the SFL spot would not be lost to Rangers who would (hopefully) be able to take up that place the following season.
The B team would not need membership as the parent club Celtic would already hold registration and therefore they would still hold a single vote.
dc1, honestly bud, take a wee deep breath and calm down. This isn't designed to be a bad anti-Rangers thing - it's actually the opposite and is designed to help Rangers (as well as the clubs in the third division).
St3vie
I see where you're coming from and agree. However, what I will say is would Spartans or whoever else be ready to step in and take up a 3rd division spot in a few weeks time? I can't see this situation being resolved for at least another few weeks which puts even more time pressure on the application process.
A season's grace, with everyone having a chance to develop an application for the following season, would arguably suit everyone?
Davie your in danger of causing harm to yourself a think, calm down eh?
"I see where you're coming from and agree. However, what I will say is would Spartans or whoever else be ready to step in and take up a 3rd division spot in a few weeks time?"
The Spartans chairman has already said recently that if Rangers applied along with his club, Rangers would be the outstanding candidate and they would get in so there would be no real point in competing with them.
That shows that Spartans and others have been keeping an eye on the situation.........and I have no doubts that everything a club like Spartans had in place with their last bid to SFL would quite easily be put in place again in order to meet the SFL's criteria, if it was not in place already.
I think, in short, if Rangers are a candidate for the SFL vote, they will get in, and the SFL will bend the rules a little possibly to let them in if need be.
But I'm not sure if they will bend the rules in order to allow Rangers to be a candidate in the first place, if they dont have SFA membership or whatever, so in that event, it'll be cheerio, and lets be honest....rightly so
I am completely calm.
But lunatic ideas like this deserve absolutely no debate.
They are as likely to happen as Rangers getting straight into EPL.
In my opinion any of the top level clubs who want to field a B team should be able to as per the Spanish model. It certainly would help the finances of the lower league teams. We don't have a reserve league so why not. If it works for the Spanish why can't it work here.
Must be DavieCoops time of the month
It works in spain because of the money involved.
Other teams already feel marginalised by the OF and a few other of the bigger teams.
You put their reserves into 3rd div, and you could feasibly have 2 teams of full internationals playing, one in SPL, 1 in div 3.
Where's that sporting integrity again?
And what happens when the B team win div 3? DO they go up to Div 2?. Then win that up to Div 1?, the up to the SPL?
No. Non starter. 1 team per club.
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posted on 28/6/12
Excellent idea
posted on 28/6/12
I'm full of them
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posted on 28/6/12
Celtic B team would have to be voted in....cant see that happening myself.
There is a queue of clubs sitting in the wings waiting for their chance to join the SFL...Spartans would definately be one of them.
They will be watching this situation with interest.....and if Rangers dont get in, I very much doubt there will be a Celtic B team, they will let another club in, reform the league structure at a later date so the pyramid system is in place, and if Rangers have to go lower or go a year outwith the league setup or whatever, then get up through that or get voted back in in a years time, thats what it means
posted on 28/6/12
No a single chance of that happening, and the reasons are simple.
FIFA laws prohibit any club being connected in any way with any other club within the same association.
So that knackers that due to UEFA & in fact that one a single SFA membership would be used.
Ask yourself - what happens if they draw each other in the Scottish Cup?
Complete non starter.
posted on 28/6/12
St3vie - I appreciate it would cause difficulties and you would think that because it's only going to be a temporary measure to help with numbers might make it a bit less aggravating? It's surely better than the 3rd division running with a team less, which would hurt all the clubs in that league as they would lose a home game.
So if say Spartans were to be brought in to the league and reform, pyramid structures and all that were brought in, where would Rangers have to start? Junior football?
posted on 28/6/12
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posted on 28/6/12
dc1 - Spanish teams have B teams in their lower leagues
They can even play in the second tier of Spanish football but are denied access to La Liga. I think when Celta Vigo were relegated their B team was relegated too as they couldn't be in the same league.
posted on 28/6/12
My understanding after a quick google is the B teams in Spain can't enter the Spanish Cup either so you would assume Celtic B wouldn't be allowed to either.
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posted on 28/6/12
I can't see it happening Ivan but I have been banging the b team drum for ages now.
Competitive matches in front of a crowd, the best way for young players to advance as footballers.
We could call the b team Shamrock Celtic
Never gonna happen
posted on 28/6/12
Davie, that's not true.
Barcelona and Real Madrid do it in Spain and also We wouldn't be under the same membership, SPL and SFL
posted on 28/6/12
Show us ra fockin title deeds first
posted on 28/6/12
STICK TOGETHER
posted on 28/6/12
I would assume a B team would have to apply for a membership of the SFA.
Thus giving a single board at Celtic 2 votes on the SFA.
Yeah.
Not going to happen.
What was that about sporting integrity?
posted on 28/6/12
I honestly dont know Ivan...they perhaps might not start again anywhere......they might just have to wait their turn to get back into the SFL and use Ibrox and Murray Park for other things for a while, I dont know.
No special treatment remember mate.......we have no god given right to be anywhere......the minute the SPL vote is cast and Dundee or Dunfermline are promoted, us along with Spartans and whoever else will be applying for the SFL....if we cant get in or wont be a candidate for that vote for whatever reason, then the others will get the votes, simple as
All that is happening here is a spot in the SFL will become available...its not exclusively a spot for Rangers to fill, so as far as I am concerned, another club will fill that spot if Rangers dont, and well, wherever that leaves us is where it leaves us and there is eff all we can do about it
posted on 28/6/12
Not at all dc1.
Like I said, it would be a temporary measure to ensure that the SFL spot would not be lost to Rangers who would (hopefully) be able to take up that place the following season.
The B team would not need membership as the parent club Celtic would already hold registration and therefore they would still hold a single vote.
dc1, honestly bud, take a wee deep breath and calm down. This isn't designed to be a bad anti-Rangers thing - it's actually the opposite and is designed to help Rangers (as well as the clubs in the third division).
posted on 28/6/12
St3vie
I see where you're coming from and agree. However, what I will say is would Spartans or whoever else be ready to step in and take up a 3rd division spot in a few weeks time? I can't see this situation being resolved for at least another few weeks which puts even more time pressure on the application process.
A season's grace, with everyone having a chance to develop an application for the following season, would arguably suit everyone?
posted on 28/6/12
Davie your in danger of causing harm to yourself a think, calm down eh?
posted on 28/6/12
"I see where you're coming from and agree. However, what I will say is would Spartans or whoever else be ready to step in and take up a 3rd division spot in a few weeks time?"
The Spartans chairman has already said recently that if Rangers applied along with his club, Rangers would be the outstanding candidate and they would get in so there would be no real point in competing with them.
That shows that Spartans and others have been keeping an eye on the situation.........and I have no doubts that everything a club like Spartans had in place with their last bid to SFL would quite easily be put in place again in order to meet the SFL's criteria, if it was not in place already.
I think, in short, if Rangers are a candidate for the SFL vote, they will get in, and the SFL will bend the rules a little possibly to let them in if need be.
But I'm not sure if they will bend the rules in order to allow Rangers to be a candidate in the first place, if they dont have SFA membership or whatever, so in that event, it'll be cheerio, and lets be honest....rightly so
posted on 28/6/12
I am completely calm.
But lunatic ideas like this deserve absolutely no debate.
They are as likely to happen as Rangers getting straight into EPL.
posted on 28/6/12
posted on 28/6/12
In my opinion any of the top level clubs who want to field a B team should be able to as per the Spanish model. It certainly would help the finances of the lower league teams. We don't have a reserve league so why not. If it works for the Spanish why can't it work here.
posted on 28/6/12
Must be DavieCoops time of the month
posted on 28/6/12
It works in spain because of the money involved.
Other teams already feel marginalised by the OF and a few other of the bigger teams.
You put their reserves into 3rd div, and you could feasibly have 2 teams of full internationals playing, one in SPL, 1 in div 3.
Where's that sporting integrity again?
And what happens when the B team win div 3? DO they go up to Div 2?. Then win that up to Div 1?, the up to the SPL?
No. Non starter. 1 team per club.
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