I thought Petrucci was a left-sided attacking midfielder or foward, can he play CM?
He's played in CM for the reserves and can push forward when needed.
Digger you're wrong, he's a cm but can play a bit further as an AM. I think he can play in a 2 man midfield.
If we don't sign a midfielder, I'm really hoping to see the likes of Petrucci and Tunnicliffe get games next season however I can't help but worry that the manager will continue to be over-reliant on Scholes and Giggs.
I said a few weeks ago that we're taking a big risk sticking with what we've got because we're really relying on Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley staying fit for the whole season. We know Scholes can still turn out brilliant performances but we shouldn't be over-reliant on him because he can't last 90 minutes when games are played at a frantic pace and Giggs just isn't good enough to play a central midfield role.
Petrucci has played in a number of roles for the reserves such as a deep-lying midfielder, a more advanced midfielder or as a second striker. He's got all the attributes to play a central midfield role.
Cheers, I wasnt sure.
Out of the two Petrucci is the one I could see getting more games, Tunnicliffes lack of starts for Peterbrough would suggest he didnt impress too much.
Red Side
Like I said on another article Giggs will be fine for us IF he has better game management and Scholes too. People forget that he came in from hardly having played any football until January last year and then seemed to play every (non european) game so no wonder he started to tail off at the end of the season. We did win the vast majority of games that Scholes played though.
If Anderson and Cleverley are fit they'll start every game with Carrick and then maybe every so often Giggs and Scholes will play but Sir Alex knows what he's doing.
Tunnicliffe and Petrucci will get their chances especially if we can put a good League cup run together. That was a great way of getting a player like Gibson game time, just a shame he turned out to be less than great.
Diggler
Tunnicliffe still made a good number of appearances for Peterborough but didn't really nail down a first team spot. When he returned to United, I think he gradually improved as the reserve season went on.
If Petrucci did prove ready to be eased into the first XI (and actually got some game time ahead of e.g. Giggs), that would be just about the only way we could look back this time next year and say that not buying a CM was retrospectively justified.
Funrob
Great article
People have to realise that CM is a bit of a dilemma for Sir Alex
Id Clevz and Ando do stay fit, we already have plenty of options with those 2, Carrick, Scholes and even Jones with Petrucci Tunni and Powell chipping in too
I have always said that Scholes in particular is simply giving the boss more time to way up Ando and Clevz (even Fletch too) and also the reserve players being ready to chip in too
Ando and Clevz are both injury free at the minute and we do have time to sign someone after the season has started should last seasons history repeat itself
Personally, I think Clevz will break through this season and Ando? Well, as United fans, I think we have to keep just about everything crossed.
Not really RR, if Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes and Carrick stayed injury-free, played to their potential and we had a successful season then we could look back and say Ferguson was right not to bring someone in.
I am agreeing with funrob twice in one day, i must be ill.
Petrucci has impressed me a lot. Just as good as pogba and better than what i ever saw from fletch and cleverly at the same age. I really hope fergie losing pogba and co changes his mindset just a little with our youth product.
This season is make or break for Anderson. IMO this is his last chance to impress or he'll be let go of next summer. Six seasons has been long enough for him to really secure a starting spot.
Even if everyone is able to stay fit this coming season, I still think we're lacking certain things in midfield. Now maybe the progression of Petrucci and Tunnicliffe could maybe solve some of these issues like our inability to keep the ball and our lack of an aggressive tough tackling player in midfield who can really grab the game by the scruff of the neck but it's far too early to tell if they'll be able to play at the level we require them to. Petrucci IMO has the ability to play at the highest level but I'm not sure about Tunnicliffe. I'd like to see him use the ball better on a more consistent basis. Some people say he's not a great passer of the ball but I've seen him pass the ball very well, he just needs to show he can do it consistently.
If everyone is fit, we still lack that extra bit of quality in midfield IMO that's needed to compete with the best teams and those teams who play with an aggressive pressing game.
DD
In that eventuality I'd see it as a gamble that paid off. We wouldn't need to have many injuries by recent standards to be down to bare bones. As it is, we are going into a season with four senior specialist midfielders: two of them have had several season severely disrupted by injuries and (perhaps only for this reason) not yet put in a single wholly convincing season, one has fading legs and can't always play effectively for 90 minutes or perhaps across the length of a season, and the last has been pretty reliable. It's quite possible that quartet will cover us for the whole season. But that's relying on a lot of things going well. That looks a massive risk to me, and if we happen to luck out, it doesn't really change things. (Similarly, if I walk across a busy road blindfolded and don't get killed, it doesn't mean it was a great idea!)
Tomatoes
Cheers mate
If we agree one more time today you qualify for a free 'I agreed with funrob more than twice' t-shirt
What about the latest Argentinian midfielder we've been linked with?
I've watched him play for RIver a few times, solid control of the ball, great passer, but the REAL promising player from River Plate is Ecuadorian Juan Cazares, River Plate's next #10. The kid handles the ball like Iniesta, and he is VERY hard to detain or defend against. But his drawbacks are his height and small figure. Here are a couple of vids. = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp3vsc4rYY --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlowY4CZMHE
Well SAF did say a few days ago he will replace Scholes with somebody from the academy. Petrucci is the best CM in the reserves.
I just HOPE that SAF plays him in a full strength team and not a Carling Cup team.
If everyone stays fit, we wont need much this season in midfield. If we can achieve what we did without anderson and cleverly, we will do much better this yr.
Redasarabiantomatoes, isn't that a big 'if' though?
We can't even guarantee that Scholes will contribute as much as he did last season, without the rejuvenating benefits of a long break. I don't think there is any inevitability about Anderson and/or Cleverley getting injured again but at the same time I wouldn't want to stake everything on at least one of them remaining fit for the whole season.
...not to mention where we'd be if someone broke Carrick's leg.
Thats on the assumption that other teams have stood still, especially in CM.
Tunnicliffes lack of starts for Peterbrough would suggest he didnt impress too much.
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Loan spells just are not as simple as that, their manager has to keep his full time players sweet, and as with any team, has to rotate, allow for form, injuries etc ... (and 28 games if pretty decent).
I think we will see a fair bit of Tunni, this season... (and I expect him to be the next panto villain with some of our fans, as he is no nonsense and has a boring name).
I think we will see him more than Petrucci, who has more competition in the more advanced CM role.
RR
I don't disagree with a lot of your points but Scholes went from nothing to pretty much every game last season.
This year he's getting a proper pre-season and will have his games more spread out so you could argue he'll be fresher this season.
I don't disagree with a lot of your points but Scholes went from nothing to pretty much every game last season.
This year he's getting a proper pre-season and will have his games more spread out so you could argue he'll be fresher this season.
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I doubt it. If I remember correctly, Scholes never carried this kind of form into the 09/10 season, and was good for the first 2 or so months of 10/11 before he seemed to wear out.
Scholes' 60 min cameos last season were great, we wouldnt have got as close as we did without him. But I feel that people expecting the same from him for the whole of the upcoming season could be in for a bit of a surprise.
Good article, funrob.
Petrucci has all the ingredients in his locker to be a top midfielder and most importantly, from his interviews, he wants to stay at United and fight for his place but he is also humble enough to admit that he is not quite there yet.
Whilst not signing a CM is something that flabbergasts me daily, perhaps this might be one of the big reasons.
I just dont buy the Ando and Clev are able/fit/ready etc - i watched Clev yesterday and let's hope it was a one-off game he was distinctly below average.
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posted on 27/7/12
I thought Petrucci was a left-sided attacking midfielder or foward, can he play CM?
posted on 27/7/12
He's played in CM for the reserves and can push forward when needed.
posted on 27/7/12
Digger you're wrong, he's a cm but can play a bit further as an AM. I think he can play in a 2 man midfield.
posted on 27/7/12
If we don't sign a midfielder, I'm really hoping to see the likes of Petrucci and Tunnicliffe get games next season however I can't help but worry that the manager will continue to be over-reliant on Scholes and Giggs.
I said a few weeks ago that we're taking a big risk sticking with what we've got because we're really relying on Carrick, Anderson and Cleverley staying fit for the whole season. We know Scholes can still turn out brilliant performances but we shouldn't be over-reliant on him because he can't last 90 minutes when games are played at a frantic pace and Giggs just isn't good enough to play a central midfield role.
posted on 27/7/12
Petrucci has played in a number of roles for the reserves such as a deep-lying midfielder, a more advanced midfielder or as a second striker. He's got all the attributes to play a central midfield role.
posted on 27/7/12
Cheers, I wasnt sure.
Out of the two Petrucci is the one I could see getting more games, Tunnicliffes lack of starts for Peterbrough would suggest he didnt impress too much.
posted on 27/7/12
Red Side
Like I said on another article Giggs will be fine for us IF he has better game management and Scholes too. People forget that he came in from hardly having played any football until January last year and then seemed to play every (non european) game so no wonder he started to tail off at the end of the season. We did win the vast majority of games that Scholes played though.
If Anderson and Cleverley are fit they'll start every game with Carrick and then maybe every so often Giggs and Scholes will play but Sir Alex knows what he's doing.
Tunnicliffe and Petrucci will get their chances especially if we can put a good League cup run together. That was a great way of getting a player like Gibson game time, just a shame he turned out to be less than great.
posted on 27/7/12
Diggler
Tunnicliffe still made a good number of appearances for Peterborough but didn't really nail down a first team spot. When he returned to United, I think he gradually improved as the reserve season went on.
posted on 27/7/12
If Petrucci did prove ready to be eased into the first XI (and actually got some game time ahead of e.g. Giggs), that would be just about the only way we could look back this time next year and say that not buying a CM was retrospectively justified.
posted on 27/7/12
Funrob
Great article
People have to realise that CM is a bit of a dilemma for Sir Alex
Id Clevz and Ando do stay fit, we already have plenty of options with those 2, Carrick, Scholes and even Jones with Petrucci Tunni and Powell chipping in too
I have always said that Scholes in particular is simply giving the boss more time to way up Ando and Clevz (even Fletch too) and also the reserve players being ready to chip in too
Ando and Clevz are both injury free at the minute and we do have time to sign someone after the season has started should last seasons history repeat itself
Personally, I think Clevz will break through this season and Ando? Well, as United fans, I think we have to keep just about everything crossed.
posted on 27/7/12
Not really RR, if Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes and Carrick stayed injury-free, played to their potential and we had a successful season then we could look back and say Ferguson was right not to bring someone in.
posted on 27/7/12
I am agreeing with funrob twice in one day, i must be ill.
Petrucci has impressed me a lot. Just as good as pogba and better than what i ever saw from fletch and cleverly at the same age. I really hope fergie losing pogba and co changes his mindset just a little with our youth product.
posted on 27/7/12
This season is make or break for Anderson. IMO this is his last chance to impress or he'll be let go of next summer. Six seasons has been long enough for him to really secure a starting spot.
Even if everyone is able to stay fit this coming season, I still think we're lacking certain things in midfield. Now maybe the progression of Petrucci and Tunnicliffe could maybe solve some of these issues like our inability to keep the ball and our lack of an aggressive tough tackling player in midfield who can really grab the game by the scruff of the neck but it's far too early to tell if they'll be able to play at the level we require them to. Petrucci IMO has the ability to play at the highest level but I'm not sure about Tunnicliffe. I'd like to see him use the ball better on a more consistent basis. Some people say he's not a great passer of the ball but I've seen him pass the ball very well, he just needs to show he can do it consistently.
If everyone is fit, we still lack that extra bit of quality in midfield IMO that's needed to compete with the best teams and those teams who play with an aggressive pressing game.
posted on 27/7/12
DD
In that eventuality I'd see it as a gamble that paid off. We wouldn't need to have many injuries by recent standards to be down to bare bones. As it is, we are going into a season with four senior specialist midfielders: two of them have had several season severely disrupted by injuries and (perhaps only for this reason) not yet put in a single wholly convincing season, one has fading legs and can't always play effectively for 90 minutes or perhaps across the length of a season, and the last has been pretty reliable. It's quite possible that quartet will cover us for the whole season. But that's relying on a lot of things going well. That looks a massive risk to me, and if we happen to luck out, it doesn't really change things. (Similarly, if I walk across a busy road blindfolded and don't get killed, it doesn't mean it was a great idea!)
posted on 27/7/12
Tomatoes
Cheers mate
If we agree one more time today you qualify for a free 'I agreed with funrob more than twice' t-shirt
posted on 27/7/12
What about the latest Argentinian midfielder we've been linked with?
posted on 27/7/12
I've watched him play for RIver a few times, solid control of the ball, great passer, but the REAL promising player from River Plate is Ecuadorian Juan Cazares, River Plate's next #10. The kid handles the ball like Iniesta, and he is VERY hard to detain or defend against. But his drawbacks are his height and small figure. Here are a couple of vids. = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsp3vsc4rYY --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlowY4CZMHE
posted on 27/7/12
Well SAF did say a few days ago he will replace Scholes with somebody from the academy. Petrucci is the best CM in the reserves.
I just HOPE that SAF plays him in a full strength team and not a Carling Cup team.
posted on 27/7/12
If everyone stays fit, we wont need much this season in midfield. If we can achieve what we did without anderson and cleverly, we will do much better this yr.
posted on 27/7/12
Redasarabiantomatoes, isn't that a big 'if' though?
We can't even guarantee that Scholes will contribute as much as he did last season, without the rejuvenating benefits of a long break. I don't think there is any inevitability about Anderson and/or Cleverley getting injured again but at the same time I wouldn't want to stake everything on at least one of them remaining fit for the whole season.
...not to mention where we'd be if someone broke Carrick's leg.
posted on 27/7/12
Thats on the assumption that other teams have stood still, especially in CM.
posted on 27/7/12
Tunnicliffes lack of starts for Peterbrough would suggest he didnt impress too much.
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Loan spells just are not as simple as that, their manager has to keep his full time players sweet, and as with any team, has to rotate, allow for form, injuries etc ... (and 28 games if pretty decent).
I think we will see a fair bit of Tunni, this season... (and I expect him to be the next panto villain with some of our fans, as he is no nonsense and has a boring name).
I think we will see him more than Petrucci, who has more competition in the more advanced CM role.
posted on 27/7/12
RR
I don't disagree with a lot of your points but Scholes went from nothing to pretty much every game last season.
This year he's getting a proper pre-season and will have his games more spread out so you could argue he'll be fresher this season.
posted on 27/7/12
I don't disagree with a lot of your points but Scholes went from nothing to pretty much every game last season.
This year he's getting a proper pre-season and will have his games more spread out so you could argue he'll be fresher this season.
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I doubt it. If I remember correctly, Scholes never carried this kind of form into the 09/10 season, and was good for the first 2 or so months of 10/11 before he seemed to wear out.
Scholes' 60 min cameos last season were great, we wouldnt have got as close as we did without him. But I feel that people expecting the same from him for the whole of the upcoming season could be in for a bit of a surprise.
posted on 27/7/12
Good article, funrob.
Petrucci has all the ingredients in his locker to be a top midfielder and most importantly, from his interviews, he wants to stay at United and fight for his place but he is also humble enough to admit that he is not quite there yet.
Whilst not signing a CM is something that flabbergasts me daily, perhaps this might be one of the big reasons.
I just dont buy the Ando and Clev are able/fit/ready etc - i watched Clev yesterday and let's hope it was a one-off game he was distinctly below average.
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