'And before 08/09 Liverpool didn't have a team capable of winning the league. Gerrard single handedly carried Liverpool to top 4/3. No surprise Liverpool declined with Gerrard injuries / form. People are forgetting how good Gerrard was.'


Carp. The top 4 included Liverpool then. There were no challengers.

I answered the question you simpleton.

You asked me "But what makes you right and his peers, Fergie and Zidane wrong?"

I gave you the Pele example.

You really a deluded little muppet.

Xavi has won little accolades, yet he's the best in the world in his position.
Your whole argument is bull.

Jog on. And come back with valid points.

You gave Pele as an example. One man with one view who is his compatriot.

I have you 9 different awards voted on by lots and lots of people from all over the World.

But you know better?

Giggs won the PFA player of the year 2 seasons ago, even though he was nowhere near the best player.
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You'd always get the odd results / awards once in a while but Gerrard was consistently winning individual awards. Balloon 'Dor bronze, pfa award, European club player of the year, fifa top 6 (x5), etc.

Gerrard is world class and one of the best ever CAM

Doesn't matter. He's a "professional" as you call them. He knows his stuff.
His word is gospel.

Sounds idiotic now, yeah? Of course it does. It's your argument.

As I said, Xavi has won little accolades yet he's the best in his position.

Sheep like you can't make up their minds when it comes to things, and follow blindly.

Zidane is the best in that list.

Yes, Xavi and Iniesta achievements are impressive but they have always had tremendous support: Busquets, Alonso, Deco etc

Alonso was much more important to Liverpool than Gerrard was in terms of performance standards.

Alonso had two very good seasons with Liverpool and in both Liverpool had excellent domestic campaigns. As soon as Xabi left it all fell apart. Never mess with your playmaker unless you've got another one!

No offence to Gerrard but he was relatively expendable when compared with Alonso.

Carp. The top 4 included Liverpool then. There were no challengers.
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Like Everton who once beat Liverpool to 4th and Spurs who nearly did until they got poisoned.

You officially don't know what your talking about. I wondered why you were acting so stupidly.

Xavi has very few individual awards?

FIFA Ballon d'Or Third place: 2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or Third place: 2009
FIFA World Player of the Year Third place: 2009
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award Second place: 2011
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2010
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year: 1999
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2005
La Liga Midfielder of the Year: 2009, 2011
Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano Second place: 2010
UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament: 2008
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008, 2012
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2011–12
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2011




You'll notice that Xavi won the same awards as Gerrard in terms of UEFA teams and FIFA teams.

This coversation is over as you literally don't know what your talking about.

Dubbed just got owned

Robbing you fool, why argue with an idiot who says individual accolades do prove individual ability. He's clearly laying the bait and you're taking it hook, line and sinker.

comment by honestlivpool_five_times (U1661)
posted 1 minute ago

Carp. The top 4 included Liverpool then. There were no challengers.
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Like Everton who once beat Liverpool to 4th and Spurs who nearly did until they got poisoned.

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CORRECTION....

We beat 16 other teams to finish 4th

Gerrard's biggest blessing was his greatest curse...He could pass, shoot, tackle, drive forwards. Your typical gung-ho type player.

BUT...those mentioned had/have more technical ability in their shoelaces then Gerrard has ever had and it often showed, as Gerrard has been dominated time after time by Scholes, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Anderson in 2008 etc etc

Copied a list from Wikipedia?

If you look carefully Xavi ends up 2nd and 3rd in most of those lists.

At least read what you post. They're even counting man of the matches.

As I said earlier, quotes and accolades is what you fall back on.

Gerrard outclassed by Diaby and Arteta. Cazorla shows him how an AM is supposed to play.

Alonso was much more important to Liverpool than Gerrard was in terms of performance standards.
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So how did Liverpool manage to do well in other seasons Alonso was rubbish? Liverpool still won the fa cup and reached cl final..

Dubbed The New Wenger -Sancti Cazorla (U9163)

Sometimes it's just best to admit you're wrong. You've been made to look a bit silly. Deal with it.

Gerrard outclassed by Diaby and Arteta. Cazorla shows him how an AM is supposed to play.
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Just like Everton outclassed Scholes..
Gerrard isn't at his peak, is he?

"Sometimes it's just best to admit you're wrong. You've been made to look a bit silly. Deal with it."

You didn't even respond to my rebuttal. This debate was done as soon as you copied and pasted Wikipedia, and failed to read it.

Come back with valid points next time.

"Neymar is the best in the world"- Pele
Must be true as he's a 'professional'.

been dominated time after time by Scholes, Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Anderson in 2008 etc etc
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What?

I would say that Alonso was as important to Liverpool as much as Gerrard was whilst Alonso was at the club. As a whole though i would say Gerrard is more important to LFC as he is the poster boy of the club. It is a bit of a shame that recently he has lost his drive that he was known for. As a box to box midfielder he was unrivalled but injuries have slowed him down too.

Did I stutter?

I did read it.

Just to show you how silly you're looking, right now, this is what you're saying.

Xavi wins very few individual awards. - Wrong.

Then you are asying that Xavi is very good. The professionals recognise this and give it credance by adding him to the UEFA teams of the year and FIFA teams of the year.

Gerrard was recognised by the very same people but somehow this time they're wrong? Do you know how stupid that makes you look?

We then have the fact that some of the awards are exactly the same such as coming third in the ballon d'or. You are saying this means the awards mean nothing when in reality he came 2nd and 3rd cos of some players called Messi and Ronaldo.

You literally don't know what you're talking about. All the evidence and facts supports me by you are still insisting that you're correct.

You then have the temerity to say that I'm deluded.

Delusion;

A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence.

No offence but all the above points to one person being deluded and flying in the face of evidence. It ain't me kid.

Alonso only had 2 good season for Liverpool. Gerrard was the key player behind Liverpool recent success (bar Carling cup)

Gerrard might be a classless oik who sold his wedding to a trashy mag and he often fraternises with the criminal elements of Liverpool but at his pomp, the lad could play.

The only indictment is perhaps his tactical indiscipline (seems to be a British malaise) but in his pomp, he could match any of the aforementioned.

Tbf, i don't particularly enjoy Gerrard's kick and rush style but he was a world class player in his prime.

comment by 1st Earl (U14927)
posted 2 minutes ago
Did I stutter?
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I hope you find your way down Compton Avenue motherhumper.