Indefensible......I say that as an Ange fan and Celtic fan

How the fvck do you lose 2 goals to Ipswich in 45 mins.

Another international break where you wallow in a self inflicted needless loss

Those saying we are only 3 points off top 4 or whatever are having a laugh
For a whole year it’s been mid table form. 17 losses.
We will finish below 7th id bet my mortgage on it

The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.

comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 7 seconds ago
Dreadful start to the season. Would probably give Ange the season as have no idea who to get in.

But wouldn't care if he was sacked and he couldn't have any arguments if he were.
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Why give him the season? What's the point? He loses nearly half his games when in charge this season. He is well out of his depth. Should be sacked tonight

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Because fundamentally the problem is the ownership and whoever we get in will be set up to fail.

Honestly, there's no solution until ENIC are gone, which is not happening any time soon. So I'm pretty indifferent to any managerial change. We'll always be losers when the owners are losers.
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Yeah all the managers have said as much:

Poch: “I need new furntiure” or “the project is different than that of other clubs competing”

Jose: "This was a club that, has an empty trophy room, then sacks me 2 days before a final, I mean, come on."

Conte: after the 3-3 Southampton draw. “It’s the club, with the chairman of 20 years and no trophies”

comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Men with Ven (U7905)
posted 7 seconds ago
Dreadful start to the season. Would probably give Ange the season as have no idea who to get in.

But wouldn't care if he was sacked and he couldn't have any arguments if he were.
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Why give him the season? What's the point? He loses nearly half his games when in charge this season. He is well out of his depth. Should be sacked tonight

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Because fundamentally the problem is the ownership and whoever we get in will be set up to fail.

Honestly, there's no solution until ENIC are gone, which is not happening any time soon. So I'm pretty indifferent to any managerial change. We'll always be losers when the owners are losers.
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Irrespective of the owners, Ange still has a squad at his disposal who shouldn't be losing to Palace and Ipswich (at home). He has lost newly have his games this season in the league. It's not good enough and most be sacked.

I get he will still divide opinions but I'm firmly in the Ange out side.

Nearly half*

Faaaaa ck me

Wow.

Proper dr Tottenham today.


Indefensible

17 losses in PL in a year

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction

Never paid much heed to the claims that there's something rotten at the heart of your club that hinders the chances of achieving success. Bring in the right management team with a winners mentality and things will change.

After today's result, I've changed my opinion. There's something rotten in the state of Denmark and until that changes there's no prospect of success.

comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction
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Who would you prefer, David Moyes, Southgate

comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 52 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Been saying this for years

comment by Dave&Danny dynamic (U4428)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction
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Who would you prefer, David Moyes, Southgate
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I'd take Potter

comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny dynamic (U4428)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction
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Who would you prefer, David Moyes, Southgate
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I'd take Potter
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Really, what's he done, achieved, won ?

comment by Dave&Danny dynamic (U4428)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny dynamic (U4428)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction
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Who would you prefer, David Moyes, Southgate
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I'd take Potter
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Really, what's he done, achieved, won ?
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We e tried serial winners

They failed under Enic too 👍

comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Dave&Danny dynamic (U4428)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 9 minutes ago
The truth is that you can’t really look at this and isolate the Prem games this year. This has been going on for an entire year now since our capitulation to Chelsea. We average out at about 10th which is way below par. I’m not sure even Ange’s staunchest defenders can wriggle out of this one. BUT, this is also about Levy. This is what happens when you buy substandard players because ultimately they’re on lower wages. Wanted Raya? Wages too high, get in Vic. Wanted Eze, Neto? Wages too high, bring in Oderbert. This isn’t fixed by replacing the manager. The problem is deeper than that. There is a poison at the very heart of our club and frankly I’ve just about had enough now. I’m very nearly done.
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Not solved by sacking the manager, but a bloody big step in the right direction
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Who would you prefer, David Moyes, Southgate
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I'd take Potter
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Not another Chavz cast off ffs

There are some right whinging phannies on this thread and at your club

I get that losing is frustrating, I get that you haven’t won much over the last 20 years, and I get you lot are desperate for success (aren’t we all)

But seriously the merry-go-round of sacking a manager when he has a bad run just to appease the frustration is pointless and destructive

The guy has a proven track record, albeit in a different league - but you seen with your own eyes, when he gets it right, you’re a force to be reckoned with

Surely sticking with the guy and giving him a bit of time is the sensible thing to do

But hey, like with most teams and most supporters, you can’t please everyone 🤔

Trust me, you lot have it better than most - some of you need a bit of perspective 👍🏼

comment by HEY, WE'RE BACK (U22866)
posted 2 minutes ago
There are some right whinging phannies on this thread and at your club

I get that losing is frustrating, I get that you haven’t won much over the last 20 years, and I get you lot are desperate for success (aren’t we all)

But seriously the merry-go-round of sacking a manager when he has a bad run just to appease the frustration is pointless and destructive

The guy has a proven track record, albeit in a different league - but you seen with your own eyes, when he gets it right, you’re a force to be reckoned with

Surely sticking with the guy and giving him a bit of time is the sensible thing to do

But hey, like with most teams and most supporters, you can’t please everyone 🤔

Trust me, you lot have it better than most - some of you need a bit of perspective 👍🏼
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Bad runs tend to precede sackings.

He'll get time providing there is progress being shown. So far so not good on that front.

This is spurs/levy

He’ll be gone by Xmas

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/c4gm4rnlndjt

Midfield diamond would be an interesting experiment

🚨👥 #thfc's line-up vs Manchester City: Vicario; Porro, Dragusin, Davies, Udogie; Bissouma, Sarr, Maddison; Kulusevski, Son, Solanke.

City 5 at the back the cowards

This evening's squad! 👊

XI | Ederson, Walker (C), Stones, Akanji, Gvardiol, Lewis, Gundogan, Bernardo, Savinho, Foden, Haaland

SUBS | Ortega Moreno, Ake, Grealish, De Bruyne, Nunes, Wright, Simpson-Pusey, O'Reilly, McAtee

#ManCity | @etihad

comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 2 minutes ago
🚨👥 #thfc's line-up vs Manchester City: Vicario; Porro, Dragusin, Davies, Udogie; Bissouma, Sarr, Maddison; Kulusevski, Son, Solanke.
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I like that lineup