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posted on 30/4/19

It was always going to be different to books.

Long drawn battle was too predictable.

The Daenerys and Jon throne claims will be interesting. And what happens with Cersei.

They did say it'll be bitter sweet.

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posted on 30/4/19

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What a disappointing couple of nights. The Game of Thrones episode and then this.
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What?! Great episode
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It was fantastic
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It really wasn't. The shiniest of polished tuuuurds.
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Disagree
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It was exciting and looked spectacular but narratively it was a shambles.
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Yeah it was a bit problematic, and shame they blew their load too early killing off the Night King.
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Yeah. They've basically undone all the groundwork and foreshadowing laid out in the seasons when they still had the books to go off
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What foreshadowing? They had Arya set up for this.
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Not in the books.

I don't mind it being Arya tbf but it's more the fact that the huge apocalyptic invasion of the white walkers lasted literally 2 nights and was defeated at the first attempt. Whole show has been building up to it and it was a proper damp squib.

Besides, going back to Cersei after the white walkers is like going from Barcelona in the Champions League final to playing Eastleigh in the League Cup. Difficult to really care with such low stakes.
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I never got the appeal for who rules the Iron Throne so much. It's talked about like some very elusive thing yet we've already had the Lannisters sitting on it for the past 7 seasons, and it's not even like they've been more powerful than Dany during all of that time.

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

Watch the show ffs.

Arya from day one has been on the journey from starting of with Jon snow and needle, to learning how to move and kill without sound, to getting the tools for the job.

Cersei has been nailed on as the main antagonist and has been built up and up as the seasons gone on.

She’s literally turned everyone against herself.

Although I did think the NK would be over two episodes before being defeated but he always was going to be defeated

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

Although I’ve never read the books so never been influenced by them

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posted on 30/4/19

I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.
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All the white walkers stuff is in the new show being developed

I agree it should’ve been over two episodes but personally thought it was still done very well.

Only one thing I didn’t like was them sending half the fighters to their death 1 min into the fight

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.
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There are only 6 episodes and theyre not going to spend half of it with boring fillers following NK death so im fully expecting some turns. Too many main characters survived

posted on 30/4/19

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posted 1 minute ago
Watch the show ffs.

Arya from day one has been on the journey from starting of with Jon snow and needle, to learning how to move and kill without sound, to getting the tools for the job.

Cersei has been nailed on as the main antagonist and has been built up and up as the seasons gone on.

She’s literally turned everyone against herself.

Although I did think the NK would be over two episodes before being defeated but he always was going to be defeated
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See I could just say "Read the books ffs". I think you'd probably change your mind.

The showrunners have said they only decided Arya would deal the killing blow about 3 years ago, which was after the show overtook the books. Saying it's been foreshadowed since season 1 isn't based in fact since it was a decision taken by different people to the guy who wrote the first season.

Re. Cersei... Maybe, maybe not. The showrunners are certainly more interested in fan service, which has been pretty obvious since the show overtook the books. Maybe Cersei will have the same role in the books, who knows. I think it's fair to say the show has taken a number of left turns from season 5 on.

Pretty much the underlying theme of the show from literally the first scene of season 1 has been "Petty political squabbles don't matter, the white walkers are the big problem." I'd say it's a bit of a damp squib to just splat that in one episode.

posted on 30/4/19

I'm hoping there's another big twist with Bran and NK left though

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posted on 30/4/19

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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.
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All the white walkers stuff is in the new show being developed

I agree it should’ve been over two episodes but personally thought it was still done very well.

Only one thing I didn’t like was them sending half the fighters to their death 1 min into the fight
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I see people say they have a problem with that and I can see where they're coming from but I enjoyed that start part up to where the Dothraki's were wiped out.

The slow build up at the start was the best bit.

posted on 30/4/19

Also, they showed a random zombie hearing Arya's location based on a single drop of blood hitting the floor... Then half an hour later she manages to leg it straight through a group of 10 white walkers and about a hundred zombies without being noticed

That's what I mean about it being a narrative shambles. That and the damp squib ending for the big bads

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posted on 30/4/19

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I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.
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All the white walkers stuff is in the new show being developed

I agree it should’ve been over two episodes but personally thought it was still done very well.

Only one thing I didn’t like was them sending half the fighters to their death 1 min into the fight
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I see people say they have a problem with that and I can see where they're coming from but I enjoyed that start part up to where the Dothraki's were wiped out.

The slow build up at the start was the best bit.
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Visually it looked excellent

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 58 seconds ago
I don't mind accepting Arya being the one to kill off the NK, I just wish it could have been more of a struggle for her and it happen not so early into the season.

Maybe a little bit more background into the white walkers and their motives would be nice. Think they deserve it after all the steady build up.
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There are only 6 episodes and theyre not going to spend half of it with boring fillers following NK death so im fully expecting some turns. Too many main characters survived
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The main characters all surviving was another issue I had with it. Think it warranted one or two dying to help the emotional investment in the episode, if not because it would just have been much more realistic. It got a bit ridiculous that certain characters were surviving the onslaught.

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Watch the show ffs.

Arya from day one has been on the journey from starting of with Jon snow and needle, to learning how to move and kill without sound, to getting the tools for the job.

Cersei has been nailed on as the main antagonist and has been built up and up as the seasons gone on.

She’s literally turned everyone against herself.

Although I did think the NK would be over two episodes before being defeated but he always was going to be defeated
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See I could just say "Read the books ffs". I think you'd probably change your mind.

The showrunners have said they only decided Arya would deal the killing blow about 3 years ago, which was after the show overtook the books. Saying it's been foreshadowed since season 1 isn't based in fact since it was a decision taken by different people to the guy who wrote the first season.

Re. Cersei... Maybe, maybe not. The showrunners are certainly more interested in fan service, which has been pretty obvious since the show overtook the books. Maybe Cersei will have the same role in the books, who knows. I think it's fair to say the show has taken a number of left turns from season 5 on.

Pretty much the underlying theme of the show from literally the first scene of season 1 has been "Petty political squabbles don't matter, the white walkers are the big problem." I'd say it's a bit of a damp squib to just splat that in one episode.
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Difference is I don’t need to read the books because I’m watching the tv show

posted on 30/4/19

It's all just set up to give fan favourite characters their big hero moments rather than sticking to its own themes and internal logic. It's gone downhill since season 5.

posted on 30/4/19

Season 5 was the worst season
Season 6 was really good

Season 7 was meh
Season 8 has been a mixed bag

posted on 30/4/19

comment by MKspur (U9129)
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comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
Watch the show ffs.

Arya from day one has been on the journey from starting of with Jon snow and needle, to learning how to move and kill without sound, to getting the tools for the job.

Cersei has been nailed on as the main antagonist and has been built up and up as the seasons gone on.

She’s literally turned everyone against herself.

Although I did think the NK would be over two episodes before being defeated but he always was going to be defeated
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See I could just say "Read the books ffs". I think you'd probably change your mind.

The showrunners have said they only decided Arya would deal the killing blow about 3 years ago, which was after the show overtook the books. Saying it's been foreshadowed since season 1 isn't based in fact since it was a decision taken by different people to the guy who wrote the first season.

Re. Cersei... Maybe, maybe not. The showrunners are certainly more interested in fan service, which has been pretty obvious since the show overtook the books. Maybe Cersei will have the same role in the books, who knows. I think it's fair to say the show has taken a number of left turns from season 5 on.

Pretty much the underlying theme of the show from literally the first scene of season 1 has been "Petty political squabbles don't matter, the white walkers are the big problem." I'd say it's a bit of a damp squib to just splat that in one episode.
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Difference is I don’t need to read the books because I’m watching the tv show
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I'm not saying it has to follow the books exactly. It hasn't done that since about the 2nd season really. I'm just saying it has to follow its own themes and narrative setups. I don't think it does any more.

Appreciate we're not gonna agree though

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 1 minute ago
It's all just set up to give fan favourite characters their big hero moments rather than sticking to its own themes and internal logic. It's gone downhill since season 5.
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GRR Martin wouldn't have hesitated to kill a few of the main ones off. The show has grown too much of a heart and not enough of a brain since they went over the books.

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's all just set up to give fan favourite characters their big hero moments rather than sticking to its own themes and internal logic. It's gone downhill since season 5.
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I think there’s going to be a big twist.

Cersei will probably come out on top killing everyone

posted on 30/4/19

It's not just about killing characters for the sake of it - its about there being consequences for poor decision making and not being politically savvy (ned and Robb being obvious examples of this)

That isn't really the case now

posted on 30/4/19

I'm not the biggest fan of the books tbh, but seeing the change in overall plot structure since the show left the books behind has given me a greater appreciation of GRR Martin's storytelling ability for sure

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 30/4/19

comment by MKspur (U9129)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's all just set up to give fan favourite characters their big hero moments rather than sticking to its own themes and internal logic. It's gone downhill since season 5.
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I think there’s going to be a big twist.

Cersei will probably come out on top killing everyone
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Maybe she becomes a Night Queen?

I suspect there will be some sort of twist up there sleeve somewhere, but I'm not that optimistic it's going to be one that's that satisfying.

comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 30/4/19

*their

comment by Hengy (U9129)

posted on 30/4/19

You’re never optimistic about anything though

posted on 30/4/19

Are any of you?

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