I second every word of that.
Cheers Owen and good luck for the future.
I also agree with the sentiments.
Lots of people tried to re-write history near the end of his tenure but lets not forget some of the better moments as well. As for the slump starting at Wembley, lets not forget we beat Arsenal the week after.
Agree with every word. Coyle did us proud for a large part of his time here and those are the memories I will choose to remember him by.
i personally think Coyle did a job which he was paid a salary for, and failed at that job so was sacked. He wouldnt of done it for free or a "standard" wage so sentiment is not something i support in your letter.
However coyle is a good man, and doesnt deserve abuse. But neither did Megson, as he is a good man also. Megson had a better record than Coyle.......odd isnt it
Agreed LPP.
I think Coyle has been the most frustrating manager while I have followed Bolton (early 90's). I think the main reason is I really wanted him to succeed and do well at the club. Unfortunately this past 12 months or so have been like watching a car crash in slow motion. I think he will bounce back next year and probably do well.
But neither did Megson, as he is a good man also
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WRONG. Megson is satan
WRONG. Megson is satan
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Clegg no disrespect here but Megson was a weak and arrogant man who treated the club and fans with contempt both during his tenure and after his departure.
He never once took a single ounce of blame for his failings and the mantra 'football people know how good I am' coupled with the oft repeated 'we were below derby when I came in' were frankly insulting and patronising.
I hold no personal animosity for him and I never will because I think he did his best but he was and remains a deeply divisive individual and that's held true for every club he's managed even West Brom.
In Owen's case I honestly think the vast majority of trotters fans still hold him in quite high esteem as a man and that the most common feeling at his sacking is a profound sadness and regret that it didn't work out for him even as we all accept it's right that he's gone. Megson frankly isn't anything like the MAN Owen Coyle is and I remember that there were practically parties and scenes of jubilation when he was shown the door.
I think in all honesty if I was a club chairman today and looking at those two as potential next managers I'd have Owen Coyle over Gary Megson in a heartbeat even now.
Nice bloke, poor manager.
To be honest, Gartside kept him a year longer than he should have so he's done very well out of us but we are not a charity or a job club.
I wish him the best but I think a Scottish job will be his lot.
In Owen's case I honestly think the vast majority of trotters fans still hold him in quite high esteem as a man and that the most common feeling at his sacking is a profound sadness and regret that it didn't work out for him even as we all accept it's right that he's gone.
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Couldn't agree more.
Best article I've read on here for a long, long time.
Well said Peter. Brilliant article and 5*s from me mate!
There's been thousands of nice blokes recently been made redundant because of a world recession, who managed to achieve their objectives & not fail them.
A very very small percentage of them are millionaires & will never have to work again.
The others are having houses taken away, children to feed & cloth & a world of pain in front of them.
It's a tough world...
Nice letter Peter, but Coyle will move on & so will we.
He should have gone 12 months ago and not wasted millions on poor signings and the back room staff who've shown absolutely nothing.
All the best Owen, but there's tougher situations to be in. You'll be fine.
Completely agree with MT on this one!
A great guy, and agree with the sentiments towards him ....with one caveat;
Stop telling the press that you were in a position to get Bolton promoted this season, despite our dire start. It's a nonsense, and the main reason why you had to go this week.
Now go get yourself another club, learn the lessons, hone your skills and best of luck for the future
he did say he would keep us up too.promoted?how on earth could he have done that?just hoping the new guy can settle the ship and maybe just maybe have a run at the playoffs.
Benny
I did feel a little sorry for Owen when I saw him interviewed last night,OC is a good man!.
As you/me and many others know though he should have gone last year though.So lets not kick a dying dog anymore mate,I will always like the man.
Who you thinking Benny for the job then?
Who realistically would you like?.
First rate article by the way 5 stars from me.
i hope the weather is ok in the algarve nuns.i really think we need to get an experienced man in to set our ship sailing again..if we are in the market for poaching managers would go for nigel pearson.if we are looking for an out of work man then it can only be mccarthy but only to the end of the season and see where we are then.
Hi Benny
Leaving at midnight mate,hope to kick back and have a little drink in the sunshine pal.
Will keep up to date on here no doubt after the Nuns family have gone to bed.
Nigel Pearson?.I appreciate your football knowledge mate,but this guy was in as bad as state as OC a few weeks back.
I like Big Mick,and I agree he seems a viable option,but not convinced long term.Theres a scramble for Ole,but I dont know enough to comment there.
Rumours are mental at the moment,heard Michael Appleton in the pub this afternoon,and mentions of Mike Phelan yesterday.
Hope we invite applications this time,get a proper selection panel,by that I mean use all resources we can.Uncle Phil has connections surely,if not lets use people like Gordon Taylor,Jimmy Armfield,Fergie even,but lets get this appointment right.
MT I agree he will move on and so will we AND that he won't be short of a quid or two as a result of losing his job BUT this isn't about any of that. It's simply a thank you for some very good times and enjoyable days.
It's a goodbye to a good guy and I don't think there's anything wrong in wishing him well for the future. I wish he'd worked out for us and I'm sorry it didn't.
That said I completely agree he had to go and I just hope the next man is the right one to move us back up the table and back into the premier league. I've made my position clear on McCarthy, McLeish and all the other tired old names the media dredge up every time a manager goes because most of them are multiple failures and frankly we need someone who's a winner and who's hungry to prove that.
That's why if it were possible I'd be after Di Canio. I know it's a risk and some will feel that he lacks experience as did Owen at our level but what's so great about having someone who's had two different prem jobs and taken both teams down? That kind of 'experience' is something I think our club can do without.
McCarthy was at Sunderland when they went down but it was Howard Wilkinsons mess that sent them down.
He then got Sunderland promoted and Wolves to the Prem.
He was sacked before Wolves got relegated peter.
looking at micks record in the championship its quite good with 2 promotions and making 3 playoffs so it would be a no risk appointment.we can worry about the prem if we ever do get back there.he did keep a moderate wolves team up in the prem for 2 seasons.he has had only 2 bad seasons when he was sacked in sunderlands and wolves relegation seasons.
I do take your points guys but frankly I think he's an awful choice and he has dreadful people skills. Witness the Republic of Ireland fiasco with Roy Keane for a start. Yes he has a decent enough record at first glance but look a little deeper and it's poor. At Sunderland he went down with nineteen points from thirty eight games and despite Brick's assertion that he inherited the mess from HW he was in charge for most of that season. I still remember his comment when asked about Sunderland's players.
"Well, they're obviously not very good are they?" He said to the BBC and frankly I was appalled. It may well have been true but surely saying it on national television when you're their manager is at best ill advised and at worst suicidal.
At Wolves he got some serious money and an owner who was willing to back him to the hilt when he signed big wage players and he wouldn't get that here because we can't afford that.
To be honest I think he's another Megson and would prove just as divisive and poisonous as did Megson himself to relations between the club and the fans. I know that many will see him as a safe pair of hands and I respect your right to hold that opinion but mine is that he would be a disaster. Maybe not immediately but then Megson wasn't an immediate disaster either.
Sorry but I don't rate and won't support McCarthy if he's appointed and for those of you who say I have a duty to support anyone who gets the job I will simply say that if BWFC wants MY money then I want value for it and with MM in charge I don't believe I'll get it or even an approximation of it.
I love this club and I'll go to as many away games as I can just as I did towards the end of the GM era but if Mick is given this job I won't go to the Reebok.
LPP - respect ur opinion n all, but its opinions like that that get good managers like megson sacked.
So ur not going to bolton games if Mcarthy gets the job......Thats ridiculous
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An Open Letter To Owen Coyle
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posted on 10/10/12
I second every word of that.
Cheers Owen and good luck for the future.
posted on 10/10/12
I also agree with the sentiments.
Lots of people tried to re-write history near the end of his tenure but lets not forget some of the better moments as well. As for the slump starting at Wembley, lets not forget we beat Arsenal the week after.
posted on 10/10/12
Agree with every word. Coyle did us proud for a large part of his time here and those are the memories I will choose to remember him by.
posted on 10/10/12
i personally think Coyle did a job which he was paid a salary for, and failed at that job so was sacked. He wouldnt of done it for free or a "standard" wage so sentiment is not something i support in your letter.
However coyle is a good man, and doesnt deserve abuse. But neither did Megson, as he is a good man also. Megson had a better record than Coyle.......odd isnt it
posted on 10/10/12
Agreed LPP.
I think Coyle has been the most frustrating manager while I have followed Bolton (early 90's). I think the main reason is I really wanted him to succeed and do well at the club. Unfortunately this past 12 months or so have been like watching a car crash in slow motion. I think he will bounce back next year and probably do well.
posted on 10/10/12
But neither did Megson, as he is a good man also
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posted on 10/10/12
haha!
posted on 10/10/12
WRONG. Megson is satan
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posted on 10/10/12
Clegg no disrespect here but Megson was a weak and arrogant man who treated the club and fans with contempt both during his tenure and after his departure.
He never once took a single ounce of blame for his failings and the mantra 'football people know how good I am' coupled with the oft repeated 'we were below derby when I came in' were frankly insulting and patronising.
I hold no personal animosity for him and I never will because I think he did his best but he was and remains a deeply divisive individual and that's held true for every club he's managed even West Brom.
In Owen's case I honestly think the vast majority of trotters fans still hold him in quite high esteem as a man and that the most common feeling at his sacking is a profound sadness and regret that it didn't work out for him even as we all accept it's right that he's gone. Megson frankly isn't anything like the MAN Owen Coyle is and I remember that there were practically parties and scenes of jubilation when he was shown the door.
I think in all honesty if I was a club chairman today and looking at those two as potential next managers I'd have Owen Coyle over Gary Megson in a heartbeat even now.
posted on 10/10/12
Nice bloke, poor manager.
To be honest, Gartside kept him a year longer than he should have so he's done very well out of us but we are not a charity or a job club.
I wish him the best but I think a Scottish job will be his lot.
posted on 10/10/12
In Owen's case I honestly think the vast majority of trotters fans still hold him in quite high esteem as a man and that the most common feeling at his sacking is a profound sadness and regret that it didn't work out for him even as we all accept it's right that he's gone.
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Couldn't agree more.
posted on 10/10/12
Best article I've read on here for a long, long time.
posted on 10/10/12
Well said Peter. Brilliant article and 5*s from me mate!
posted on 10/10/12
There's been thousands of nice blokes recently been made redundant because of a world recession, who managed to achieve their objectives & not fail them.
A very very small percentage of them are millionaires & will never have to work again.
The others are having houses taken away, children to feed & cloth & a world of pain in front of them.
It's a tough world...
Nice letter Peter, but Coyle will move on & so will we.
He should have gone 12 months ago and not wasted millions on poor signings and the back room staff who've shown absolutely nothing.
All the best Owen, but there's tougher situations to be in. You'll be fine.
posted on 10/10/12
Completely agree with MT on this one!
posted on 10/10/12
A great guy, and agree with the sentiments towards him ....with one caveat;
Stop telling the press that you were in a position to get Bolton promoted this season, despite our dire start. It's a nonsense, and the main reason why you had to go this week.
Now go get yourself another club, learn the lessons, hone your skills and best of luck for the future
posted on 10/10/12
he did say he would keep us up too.promoted?how on earth could he have done that?just hoping the new guy can settle the ship and maybe just maybe have a run at the playoffs.
posted on 10/10/12
Benny
I did feel a little sorry for Owen when I saw him interviewed last night,OC is a good man!.
As you/me and many others know though he should have gone last year though.So lets not kick a dying dog anymore mate,I will always like the man.
Who you thinking Benny for the job then?
Who realistically would you like?.
First rate article by the way 5 stars from me.
posted on 10/10/12
i hope the weather is ok in the algarve nuns.i really think we need to get an experienced man in to set our ship sailing again..if we are in the market for poaching managers would go for nigel pearson.if we are looking for an out of work man then it can only be mccarthy but only to the end of the season and see where we are then.
posted on 10/10/12
Hi Benny
Leaving at midnight mate,hope to kick back and have a little drink in the sunshine pal.
Will keep up to date on here no doubt after the Nuns family have gone to bed.
Nigel Pearson?.I appreciate your football knowledge mate,but this guy was in as bad as state as OC a few weeks back.
I like Big Mick,and I agree he seems a viable option,but not convinced long term.Theres a scramble for Ole,but I dont know enough to comment there.
Rumours are mental at the moment,heard Michael Appleton in the pub this afternoon,and mentions of Mike Phelan yesterday.
Hope we invite applications this time,get a proper selection panel,by that I mean use all resources we can.Uncle Phil has connections surely,if not lets use people like Gordon Taylor,Jimmy Armfield,Fergie even,but lets get this appointment right.
posted on 10/10/12
MT I agree he will move on and so will we AND that he won't be short of a quid or two as a result of losing his job BUT this isn't about any of that. It's simply a thank you for some very good times and enjoyable days.
It's a goodbye to a good guy and I don't think there's anything wrong in wishing him well for the future. I wish he'd worked out for us and I'm sorry it didn't.
That said I completely agree he had to go and I just hope the next man is the right one to move us back up the table and back into the premier league. I've made my position clear on McCarthy, McLeish and all the other tired old names the media dredge up every time a manager goes because most of them are multiple failures and frankly we need someone who's a winner and who's hungry to prove that.
That's why if it were possible I'd be after Di Canio. I know it's a risk and some will feel that he lacks experience as did Owen at our level but what's so great about having someone who's had two different prem jobs and taken both teams down? That kind of 'experience' is something I think our club can do without.
posted on 10/10/12
McCarthy was at Sunderland when they went down but it was Howard Wilkinsons mess that sent them down.
He then got Sunderland promoted and Wolves to the Prem.
He was sacked before Wolves got relegated peter.
posted on 10/10/12
looking at micks record in the championship its quite good with 2 promotions and making 3 playoffs so it would be a no risk appointment.we can worry about the prem if we ever do get back there.he did keep a moderate wolves team up in the prem for 2 seasons.he has had only 2 bad seasons when he was sacked in sunderlands and wolves relegation seasons.
posted on 11/10/12
I do take your points guys but frankly I think he's an awful choice and he has dreadful people skills. Witness the Republic of Ireland fiasco with Roy Keane for a start. Yes he has a decent enough record at first glance but look a little deeper and it's poor. At Sunderland he went down with nineteen points from thirty eight games and despite Brick's assertion that he inherited the mess from HW he was in charge for most of that season. I still remember his comment when asked about Sunderland's players.
"Well, they're obviously not very good are they?" He said to the BBC and frankly I was appalled. It may well have been true but surely saying it on national television when you're their manager is at best ill advised and at worst suicidal.
At Wolves he got some serious money and an owner who was willing to back him to the hilt when he signed big wage players and he wouldn't get that here because we can't afford that.
To be honest I think he's another Megson and would prove just as divisive and poisonous as did Megson himself to relations between the club and the fans. I know that many will see him as a safe pair of hands and I respect your right to hold that opinion but mine is that he would be a disaster. Maybe not immediately but then Megson wasn't an immediate disaster either.
Sorry but I don't rate and won't support McCarthy if he's appointed and for those of you who say I have a duty to support anyone who gets the job I will simply say that if BWFC wants MY money then I want value for it and with MM in charge I don't believe I'll get it or even an approximation of it.
I love this club and I'll go to as many away games as I can just as I did towards the end of the GM era but if Mick is given this job I won't go to the Reebok.
posted on 11/10/12
LPP - respect ur opinion n all, but its opinions like that that get good managers like megson sacked.
So ur not going to bolton games if Mcarthy gets the job......Thats ridiculous
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