This whole Theo Walcott saga is ridiculous as well. We’re not playing him at the expense of success which is really dim. Apparently it really isn’t about money for him. He wants to stay with the club and it’s genuinely about where he’ll be played going forward. That’s good to know, but whenever Wenger is backed into a corner, you generally know what the outcome will be. He doesn’t like being told what to do.
I also heard through the grapevine that Pep Guardiola and his people have let it be known that they’d be very interested in taking up the Arsenal project next summer. If there was ever a better opportunity to part waves with a manager who has once again demonstrated his ineptitude to guide Arsenal on to greater glories, it’s that one right there. The structure of the club needs a total rethink. The CEO needs to be the most powerful man at the club. The set up needs to be more flexible.
I’ve spoken about accountability with the player a lot over the past few years. The serious lack of accountability lies with the manager if you ask me. He earns a huge amount of money. He’s the highest paid person at the club. Why don’t we tie his pay to winning trophies? What about offering him a £180k a week if he wins the league? Would he take that? Doubtful. By not spending money and keeping the club in profit, he ensures he’ll never be removed. The club don’t need to give Wenger a big budget to spend each year because he can keep them in the Champions League on a small one. Shouldn’t the manager be pushing for maximum funds to kick a club on? Should he be accepting the CEOs analogy of football transfers not being like a supermarket when plenty of other clubs prove the opposite?
Where is the incentivisation for winning? But more importantly, shouldn’t that drive to be the best come from within?
Arsene would never spend £80million in a summer because it would mean he’d have to be accountable. It suits him the way things are at the moment. That’s a very precarious position to put yourself in. We can look to the better days when new commercial revenues come in, but things won’t change then either. How much more flush with cash can you be than £70million? We need to accept that being 3rd or 4th best is going to be the norm until there is wholesale change at the club.
Yesterday’s half time shirt incident summed up our club, happy to be second best…
Just finished watching the first half and the problems remain the same. It starts with our distribution from the back which often involves Arteta/Mert/Verm passing to each other before being forced back to Mannone who hoofs it forward. Nobody is showing for the ball ahead of Arteta, there is no movement into space. All positive play and attacking instincts have been curbed. Have you noticed how often an Arsenal player passes the ball and moves back to receive a return pass instead of forward? It's bad enough when Arteta does it, but when the rest of the team follows suit you know you're in trouble because it's a gameplan mired in fear and negativity. We can barely pass the ball out of our own half anymore ffs, let alone create chances for Giroud or whoever is up front.
And when play this way with a team that is literally devoid of pace all over, you get what we're seeing, a painful exercise in football viewing.
I know we don't have the greatest set of players we've ever had at the club, but they can play much, much better than this. Wenger's fear of playing attacking football which is ironically when we're at our best is choking the team and destroying morale. No player out there is now taking responsibility to make things happen of their own accord like Song used to.
I reckon it's high time to be thinking about a successor at this stage.
I would love it if pep took over. He would follow our philosophy on how to play the game but would would probably get first dabs on a lot of the Spanish talent, providing he is given funds.
Wenger time is surely up now. He is not getting any younger and I think now is the time for change
Wenger is still the right man.
Maybe the right man to help us fight for fourth but not the right man anymore to help us challenge for titles
We are not financially backed enough to be clear title challengers, wenger is doing the best he can no other manager can do a better job at this stage.
Expecting Pep to be our next manager is as unrealistic as expecting Wenger to sign Falcao in January! It ain't going to happen.
Although I accept that Wengers time is up & we definitely need a change! But with our current board the best a new manager will manage Is mid table.
It's a frightening thought but this might be as good as it gets for the next few years.
I wonder if any Arsenal fan is still against Usmanov playing a bigger role at our club?!?
Cos this is unacceptable, for the most expensive tickets in Europe?!?
We are being mugged!
AHB- Wenger has always had great players in the past to mask his shortcomings as a manager. After the Invincible era we had Cesc who almost single handedly kept us in the top4 and last season it was RVP's turn. Like you just mentioned we still have some good quality players in the squad but without that 'special' player his weaknesses are being brutally exposed. We are going absolutely nowhere with this snail-paced approach and it's very hard to see where the goals are going to come from this season.
We'll miss you Cesc! + AHB - Diaby's Revenge (U13431)
Great stuff lads. Agree especially with you AHB.
There is so much wrong in this team I don't know where to begin....
I cried yesterday when I saw Giroud out of the wing on several occassions in the first half. I am not against movement don't get me wrong. My point is where are our wing play when our CF needs to go wide?
Something which me personally irks me to death is our crosses, corners and set pieces. Just when things looked better for us in the second half a corner came in our box and United took advantages with a simple header. Game over. No fight, no desire. It's appalling.
This whole nonsense that you need money to win the league is nonsense. How much money did Dortmund spend to win the bundesliga two years running.
Or Porto to win the quadruple? Or Juventus to go undefeated last season while both Milan clubs spent more and a talented Napoli side faltered?
It's also a myth that arsenal run on a shoestring. We overpay so many players at our club that the wage structure is bloated to £130 million+. This is unsustainable with our current sponsorships and debts. You can say that our sponsorship deals when renewed might catch up with our rivals but how marketable are a club that are also-rand year in year out and definitely do not play attractive football anymore?
We are still clinging onto philosophies on and off the pitch that have been proven to have failed. Turning a profit by selling your MVPs every year is not impressive. Utd, City and Chelsea could do that every year comfortably if they wanted and be no worse off than we are at the moment.
If we scrape 4th this year it will be a miracle, not a sign that wenger has done a good job or justified his position at our job.
These are not opinions, these are facts.
This team is comfortably capable of 3rd with the right tactics and management.
Check Out Those Chest Cannons! -
You don't need money to win the league? Man City beg to differ...
Arsenal should be finishing 4th with any alf decent manager, Wenger is pulling no miracles here.
Cessy, it's not all about the leaving of the We carrying the same problems for a few seasons.
Its true that the scored out of nothing from us. There were also times when he was calm and dissappeared and we had the same issues.
This whole nonsense that you need money to win the league is nonsense. How much money did Dortmund spend to win the bundesliga two years running.
Or Porto to win the quadruple? Or Juventus to go undefeated last season while both Milan clubs spent more and a talented Napoli side faltered?
It's also a myth that arsenal run on a shoestring. We overpay so many players at our club that the wage structure is bloated to £130 million+. This is unsustainable with our current sponsorships and debts. You can say that our sponsorship deals when renewed might catch up with our rivals but how marketable are a club that are also-rand year in year out and definitely do not play attractive football anymore?
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Brilliant this mate. No world class player guarantees you titles. You see now City who are struggling and how long took it Chelsea to win the CL League and watch in which manner they won it.
I think that this stuff about no one can do a better job than Wenger is defeatist nonsense and really lazy.
We have made the worst start for 18 seasons , our tactics are 8 years out of date and our best players no longer want to stay at our club. It's not all about money
I think that Wenger has taken us as far as he can. He refuses to change/ adapt his tactics and this is why we are now going backwards. He never speaks out against the board as he is too comfortable in his Arsen al slippers.
I would love to see David Moyes at our club. Forget that Gerrard Tosh. Everton play good football and he is a good judge of and motivator of players. He also doesn't take any nonsense from slackers or prima donnas.
Arsene you have been our greatest manager after Herbert Chapman but all good things have to come to an end and you must not outstay your welcome.
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Brilliant this mate. No world class player guarantees you titles. You see now City who are struggling and how long took it Chelsea to win the CL League and watch in which manner they won it.
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Exactly... I'd argue Shitteh's success last season was borne out of the shockers Chelsea and us had. Aside from a fairly rock solid defence they looked less than impressive almost all season and the fact that we beat them with the shocking run-in we ha and WBA proved on the final day that city are still mentally weak when push comes to shove. If Fergie was told he just needed to win the game on the final of the season to win the league you can bet your ass his team would be 2-0 up by halftime and see out the game with ease.
City didn't buy the league... We(Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd) handed it to them on a silver platter.
Remember city's winter period when yaya wasn't playing and silva had a bad spell? They were shocking. Something like 5 draws out of 6 and the other was a loss.
I can't remember the last time an eventual title winner was allowed such leeway in a season.
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posted on 4/11/12
This whole Theo Walcott saga is ridiculous as well. We’re not playing him at the expense of success which is really dim. Apparently it really isn’t about money for him. He wants to stay with the club and it’s genuinely about where he’ll be played going forward. That’s good to know, but whenever Wenger is backed into a corner, you generally know what the outcome will be. He doesn’t like being told what to do.
I also heard through the grapevine that Pep Guardiola and his people have let it be known that they’d be very interested in taking up the Arsenal project next summer. If there was ever a better opportunity to part waves with a manager who has once again demonstrated his ineptitude to guide Arsenal on to greater glories, it’s that one right there. The structure of the club needs a total rethink. The CEO needs to be the most powerful man at the club. The set up needs to be more flexible.
I’ve spoken about accountability with the player a lot over the past few years. The serious lack of accountability lies with the manager if you ask me. He earns a huge amount of money. He’s the highest paid person at the club. Why don’t we tie his pay to winning trophies? What about offering him a £180k a week if he wins the league? Would he take that? Doubtful. By not spending money and keeping the club in profit, he ensures he’ll never be removed. The club don’t need to give Wenger a big budget to spend each year because he can keep them in the Champions League on a small one. Shouldn’t the manager be pushing for maximum funds to kick a club on? Should he be accepting the CEOs analogy of football transfers not being like a supermarket when plenty of other clubs prove the opposite?
Where is the incentivisation for winning? But more importantly, shouldn’t that drive to be the best come from within?
Arsene would never spend £80million in a summer because it would mean he’d have to be accountable. It suits him the way things are at the moment. That’s a very precarious position to put yourself in. We can look to the better days when new commercial revenues come in, but things won’t change then either. How much more flush with cash can you be than £70million? We need to accept that being 3rd or 4th best is going to be the norm until there is wholesale change at the club.
Yesterday’s half time shirt incident summed up our club, happy to be second best…
posted on 4/11/12
Just finished watching the first half and the problems remain the same. It starts with our distribution from the back which often involves Arteta/Mert/Verm passing to each other before being forced back to Mannone who hoofs it forward. Nobody is showing for the ball ahead of Arteta, there is no movement into space. All positive play and attacking instincts have been curbed. Have you noticed how often an Arsenal player passes the ball and moves back to receive a return pass instead of forward? It's bad enough when Arteta does it, but when the rest of the team follows suit you know you're in trouble because it's a gameplan mired in fear and negativity. We can barely pass the ball out of our own half anymore ffs, let alone create chances for Giroud or whoever is up front.
And when play this way with a team that is literally devoid of pace all over, you get what we're seeing, a painful exercise in football viewing.
I know we don't have the greatest set of players we've ever had at the club, but they can play much, much better than this. Wenger's fear of playing attacking football which is ironically when we're at our best is choking the team and destroying morale. No player out there is now taking responsibility to make things happen of their own accord like Song used to.
I reckon it's high time to be thinking about a successor at this stage.
posted on 4/11/12
I would love it if pep took over. He would follow our philosophy on how to play the game but would would probably get first dabs on a lot of the Spanish talent, providing he is given funds.
Wenger time is surely up now. He is not getting any younger and I think now is the time for change
posted on 4/11/12
Wenger is still the right man.
posted on 4/11/12
Maybe the right man to help us fight for fourth but not the right man anymore to help us challenge for titles
posted on 4/11/12
We are not financially backed enough to be clear title challengers, wenger is doing the best he can no other manager can do a better job at this stage.
posted on 4/11/12
Expecting Pep to be our next manager is as unrealistic as expecting Wenger to sign Falcao in January! It ain't going to happen.
Although I accept that Wengers time is up & we definitely need a change! But with our current board the best a new manager will manage Is mid table.
It's a frightening thought but this might be as good as it gets for the next few years.
I wonder if any Arsenal fan is still against Usmanov playing a bigger role at our club?!?
Cos this is unacceptable, for the most expensive tickets in Europe?!?
We are being mugged!
posted on 4/11/12
AHB- Wenger has always had great players in the past to mask his shortcomings as a manager. After the Invincible era we had Cesc who almost single handedly kept us in the top4 and last season it was RVP's turn. Like you just mentioned we still have some good quality players in the squad but without that 'special' player his weaknesses are being brutally exposed. We are going absolutely nowhere with this snail-paced approach and it's very hard to see where the goals are going to come from this season.
posted on 4/11/12
We'll miss you Cesc! + AHB - Diaby's Revenge (U13431)
Great stuff lads. Agree especially with you AHB.
There is so much wrong in this team I don't know where to begin....
I cried yesterday when I saw Giroud out of the wing on several occassions in the first half. I am not against movement don't get me wrong. My point is where are our wing play when our CF needs to go wide?
Something which me personally irks me to death is our crosses, corners and set pieces. Just when things looked better for us in the second half a corner came in our box and United took advantages with a simple header. Game over. No fight, no desire. It's appalling.
posted on 4/11/12
This whole nonsense that you need money to win the league is nonsense. How much money did Dortmund spend to win the bundesliga two years running.
Or Porto to win the quadruple? Or Juventus to go undefeated last season while both Milan clubs spent more and a talented Napoli side faltered?
It's also a myth that arsenal run on a shoestring. We overpay so many players at our club that the wage structure is bloated to £130 million+. This is unsustainable with our current sponsorships and debts. You can say that our sponsorship deals when renewed might catch up with our rivals but how marketable are a club that are also-rand year in year out and definitely do not play attractive football anymore?
We are still clinging onto philosophies on and off the pitch that have been proven to have failed. Turning a profit by selling your MVPs every year is not impressive. Utd, City and Chelsea could do that every year comfortably if they wanted and be no worse off than we are at the moment.
If we scrape 4th this year it will be a miracle, not a sign that wenger has done a good job or justified his position at our job.
These are not opinions, these are facts.
This team is comfortably capable of 3rd with the right tactics and management.
posted on 4/11/12
Check Out Those Chest Cannons! -
You don't need money to win the league? Man City beg to differ...
posted on 4/11/12
Arsenal should be finishing 4th with any alf decent manager, Wenger is pulling no miracles here.
posted on 4/11/12
Cessy, it's not all about the leaving of the We carrying the same problems for a few seasons.
Its true that the scored out of nothing from us. There were also times when he was calm and dissappeared and we had the same issues.
posted on 4/11/12
This whole nonsense that you need money to win the league is nonsense. How much money did Dortmund spend to win the bundesliga two years running.
Or Porto to win the quadruple? Or Juventus to go undefeated last season while both Milan clubs spent more and a talented Napoli side faltered?
It's also a myth that arsenal run on a shoestring. We overpay so many players at our club that the wage structure is bloated to £130 million+. This is unsustainable with our current sponsorships and debts. You can say that our sponsorship deals when renewed might catch up with our rivals but how marketable are a club that are also-rand year in year out and definitely do not play attractive football anymore?
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Brilliant this mate. No world class player guarantees you titles. You see now City who are struggling and how long took it Chelsea to win the CL League and watch in which manner they won it.
posted on 4/11/12
I think that this stuff about no one can do a better job than Wenger is defeatist nonsense and really lazy.
We have made the worst start for 18 seasons , our tactics are 8 years out of date and our best players no longer want to stay at our club. It's not all about money
I think that Wenger has taken us as far as he can. He refuses to change/ adapt his tactics and this is why we are now going backwards. He never speaks out against the board as he is too comfortable in his Arsen al slippers.
I would love to see David Moyes at our club. Forget that Gerrard Tosh. Everton play good football and he is a good judge of and motivator of players. He also doesn't take any nonsense from slackers or prima donnas.
Arsene you have been our greatest manager after Herbert Chapman but all good things have to come to an end and you must not outstay your welcome.
posted on 4/11/12
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Brilliant this mate. No world class player guarantees you titles. You see now City who are struggling and how long took it Chelsea to win the CL League and watch in which manner they won it.
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Exactly... I'd argue Shitteh's success last season was borne out of the shockers Chelsea and us had. Aside from a fairly rock solid defence they looked less than impressive almost all season and the fact that we beat them with the shocking run-in we ha and WBA proved on the final day that city are still mentally weak when push comes to shove. If Fergie was told he just needed to win the game on the final of the season to win the league you can bet your ass his team would be 2-0 up by halftime and see out the game with ease.
City didn't buy the league... We(Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd) handed it to them on a silver platter.
Remember city's winter period when yaya wasn't playing and silva had a bad spell? They were shocking. Something like 5 draws out of 6 and the other was a loss.
I can't remember the last time an eventual title winner was allowed such leeway in a season.
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