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Neon you really are thick aren't you?
That comment was for viru merely pointing out the fact that I'm talking about present and not past. What's the relevance with that and daily fail or source that you were weeing yourself about?
Stop proving your stupidity - you achieved that goal along time ago.
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No I'm not using it as a source for discussion- it's what this article is about you absolute dimwit. Neon, you are really making a fool of yourself on this one. Stop being an idiot about it and repeating the same old nonsense time and time again.
I said at the time that this match looked as fixed as any match I've ever seen.
Especially Misbah's performance, the powerplay not being taken, Hafeez's ridiculous Dilscoop to a fast bowler, Umar Akmal's awful shot straight after the drinks break. The dropped catches of Tendulkar Kamran Akmal, Younis Khan and others.
Umer Gul's awful bowling and Afridi's persistence with him in the final overs.
I was called completely and utterly mad (on the very poor original 606 site) at the time, only Afridi14 backed me up. Respect to him.
Neon! How many times does someone need to tell you that the Daily Mail isn't the source? The bloke who wrote the book is, and I gather he's well respected.
In my opinion, twhilst India have done a lot for cricket and have produced some of the greatest players ever, that World Cup 2011 was one of the most dodgy tournaments ever with regards to match-fixing, from the group stages to the final, to the choice of India playing all their knockout matches at home, to the choice of Mumbai as the final. It seemed like a soap opera and unfortunately the fact that other countires allowed this farce to be executed, was one of the reasons I have gone off cricket.
Unfortunately, by the time all the evidence is confirmed, it will be another Lance Armstrong, what can you do? You can't turn back time and play these tournaments again, can you. Money and greed has destroyed sports.
Neon and Afridi get a room
Welcome back JT
I think the final was more dodgy than the semi. Bizzare how Sri Lanka did not play there best team and how easily they allowed India to chase.
ok so if india dropped catches, they would be called donkeys, and all dat, and people would say they are genuinely poor fielders, when pakistan do that, and dat also against india, the whole match was fixed.
guys grow up. if u cant take a lose, stop watching cricket. not sure how pakistan would even think about fixing after seeing 3 players banned and jailed just months before.
not rocket science at all.
Kash, you know how much I love a controversial match-fixing article.
The final was really dodgy too, the toss had to be repeated, almost as if it didn't follow the script.
SL change their team for the final, field terribly and decide to bowl Kulasekera in the final overs. The look on Sangakarra's face when he decided to bring their worst bowler on in the crucial final overs was priceless.
Viru, this is not a Pakistan-India thing, it is the whole tournament which I think is so dodgy. I beleive it was much higher than match-fixing, it was tournament fixing, totally deplorable how it was able to be executed. I genuinely believe that every major country was guilty of at least spot-fixing in that tournament.
i think zeetv did a documentary about how it was won over by over. Sri Lanka's former cricket captain Hashan Tillakaratne has claimed that his country had been fixing games since 1992- again wouldn't put it past any subcontinent team. Not just pak or India.
JT- good to have you back
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It is ONLY my opinion that it's fixed, due to too many unanswered questions.
Neon, I'm not claiming India would not have won the match or tournament had it not been fixed (just my opinion). I actually feel if it had been a non-fixed match, it would've been a lot more comfortable, like their recent World T20 win against Pakistan.
My point is the whole tournament seemed so dodgy.
It was in Australiasia in 1992 and Asia in 1996, so why did Asia get the 2011 World Cup 4 years before Australasia?
Apparently, Asia didn't even get their bid in time, only Australasia did, but for some reason, Asia still got the World Cup. Why was this?
After the appalling scenes in Lahore, where the Sri Lankan team bus was shot at, Pakistan quite rightly lost their right to host the tournament, but when they lost their Semi-Final venue, why was it given to India (who already had the final). In order to be fair to all 3 major Asian sides (SL and Pak got the semis and India got the final), but when Pak lost their right to host the semis, India got it. Why was this?
Why did they get rid of the Super-6 and Super-8 and have a knockout competition?
In 1996, when Pakistan didn't top their group, they had to play the QF in India, yet in 2011, no matter where India or SL finished (neither topped their group), both teams still got home quarter finals. Why was this?
Group Stages
Australia Zimbabwe first 10 overs was called into question.
Sri Lanka's loss to Pakistan was called into question
Shane Warne predicted an England-India draw before the match
Pakistan bowled full toss after full toss allowing NZ to make 100 in their powerplay.
India destrying South Africa lost their last 9 wickets for 29.
England lost to Ireland after Ireland had lost 5 early wickets and the required run rate was astronomical.
These seem like perfect examples of the bracket fixing that the infamous Mazhar Majeed was talking about in his confessions.
The Semi Finals and Final were dodgy as I've mentioned before.
You want to question another tournament Neon, be my guest. But these are the reasons why i felt the World Cup 2011 was fixed. I totally understand why you wouldn't like these comments because your team won and I'm questioning it, but it's just my opinion and it's not only India that I blame if it was fixed. I blame all cricketing nations for allowing this to happen (if it did happen).
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That match was just a part of the script in that fixed World Cup. Not being investigated by the ICC quite says it all.
Watching Pakistan lose in that match was quite unbeleivable for my eyes, it was like we were gifting that to them. Do you really think that Sachin's lbw was a 'not out', and don't tell me you think Misbah was actually saving his wicket to pull a victory in that match.
I would not blame Pakistan team for that fix, as apparently it seemed they were just acting according to the script handed to them by the ICC.
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Yes of course, India win the world cup and beat pakystan so it has to be a fix
Stinks of sour grapes from the pak fans. Grow up guys.
Neon, you are correct, tournament-fixing is far-fetched and I understand why you would think it wasn't fixed. But, after the Armstrong farce, I will continue to question whenever I see something weird happening.
Rafa Nadal being out for so long also seems dodgy, seems like he's serving out a "ban", without tarnishing the sport. Just my opinion.
Winningways, at least one person agrees that there's a possibility the tournament was fixed, but I would blame Pakistan and every other country (if it was fixed) as they seemed to take advantage of the script and set up their own bracket-fixing in the group stages.
Alt J, as stated before, this has nothing to do with India-Pakistan. India have beaten Pak many times recently and the only match that has been put into question is this World Cup match.
Why not give some reasons as to why you believe it wasn't fixed, because I'm getting sick of the "Sour Grapes" line. Match-fixing in IPL, Pakistan in England, Mervyn Westfield, Hashan Tilekeratne sayin SL have been fixing since 1992. It's not as if cricket is a clean sport with regards to match-fixing, so why do people rubbish these claims that this match or tournament was fixed? Like most cricket fans, it just seems like burying your head in the sand.
Agree with you 100% here justtrue. I cant think of any other game than the world cup semi final. The T20 final, the recent T20 beating by india and other world cup matches india have beaten Pakistan in I don’t have issue with – all were fine from the match perspective (not from pak performances!!). The 2011 semi final was dodgy and the final was even worse – I said it then, I’ll say it again (opinion based).
Two English posters have claimed ed Hawkins is well respected ? Have you seen his article in daily mail today? Its very detailed and technical and gives a lot of food for thought and gives a different perspective on the pak 3 from 2010. Basically what hes saying is there was no spot fixing on that day of the test and the NOTW only proved that he had influence over butt - as a result the reason why these guys went to prison was flawed. the cricket ban should have stood (although my views on amir are well known on here), but the prison sentences were aload of nonsense...... have a read. Interesting stuff
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"Bookie update… India will bat first and score over 260, 3 wickets fall within the first 15 overs, pak will cruise to 100, then lose 2 quick wickets, at 150 they will be 5 down and crumble and lose by a margin of over 20 runs."
Isn't that what usually happen in ODIs slow low wickets? A team gets off to a flier when the ball is hard a new, then when a wicket falls, it is a hard for the new batsman to score and also looses his wicket trying to maintainn the runrate. There is usually a small recovery, but another wicket down and the team collapses. Or am I missing something here?
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Neon you really are thick aren't you?
That comment was for viru merely pointing out the fact that I'm talking about present and not past. What's the relevance with that and daily fail or source that you were weeing yourself about?
Stop proving your stupidity - you achieved that goal along time ago.
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No I'm not using it as a source for discussion- it's what this article is about you absolute dimwit. Neon, you are really making a fool of yourself on this one. Stop being an idiot about it and repeating the same old nonsense time and time again.
posted on 11/11/12
I said at the time that this match looked as fixed as any match I've ever seen.
Especially Misbah's performance, the powerplay not being taken, Hafeez's ridiculous Dilscoop to a fast bowler, Umar Akmal's awful shot straight after the drinks break. The dropped catches of Tendulkar Kamran Akmal, Younis Khan and others.
Umer Gul's awful bowling and Afridi's persistence with him in the final overs.
I was called completely and utterly mad (on the very poor original 606 site) at the time, only Afridi14 backed me up. Respect to him.
posted on 11/11/12
Neon! How many times does someone need to tell you that the Daily Mail isn't the source? The bloke who wrote the book is, and I gather he's well respected.
posted on 11/11/12
In my opinion, twhilst India have done a lot for cricket and have produced some of the greatest players ever, that World Cup 2011 was one of the most dodgy tournaments ever with regards to match-fixing, from the group stages to the final, to the choice of India playing all their knockout matches at home, to the choice of Mumbai as the final. It seemed like a soap opera and unfortunately the fact that other countires allowed this farce to be executed, was one of the reasons I have gone off cricket.
Unfortunately, by the time all the evidence is confirmed, it will be another Lance Armstrong, what can you do? You can't turn back time and play these tournaments again, can you. Money and greed has destroyed sports.
posted on 11/11/12
Neon and Afridi get a room
Welcome back JT
I think the final was more dodgy than the semi. Bizzare how Sri Lanka did not play there best team and how easily they allowed India to chase.
posted on 11/11/12
ok so if india dropped catches, they would be called donkeys, and all dat, and people would say they are genuinely poor fielders, when pakistan do that, and dat also against india, the whole match was fixed.
guys grow up. if u cant take a lose, stop watching cricket. not sure how pakistan would even think about fixing after seeing 3 players banned and jailed just months before.
not rocket science at all.
posted on 11/11/12
Kash, you know how much I love a controversial match-fixing article.
The final was really dodgy too, the toss had to be repeated, almost as if it didn't follow the script.
SL change their team for the final, field terribly and decide to bowl Kulasekera in the final overs. The look on Sangakarra's face when he decided to bring their worst bowler on in the crucial final overs was priceless.
posted on 11/11/12
Viru, this is not a Pakistan-India thing, it is the whole tournament which I think is so dodgy. I beleive it was much higher than match-fixing, it was tournament fixing, totally deplorable how it was able to be executed. I genuinely believe that every major country was guilty of at least spot-fixing in that tournament.
posted on 11/11/12
i think zeetv did a documentary about how it was won over by over. Sri Lanka's former cricket captain Hashan Tillakaratne has claimed that his country had been fixing games since 1992- again wouldn't put it past any subcontinent team. Not just pak or India.
JT- good to have you back
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It is ONLY my opinion that it's fixed, due to too many unanswered questions.
Neon, I'm not claiming India would not have won the match or tournament had it not been fixed (just my opinion). I actually feel if it had been a non-fixed match, it would've been a lot more comfortable, like their recent World T20 win against Pakistan.
My point is the whole tournament seemed so dodgy.
It was in Australiasia in 1992 and Asia in 1996, so why did Asia get the 2011 World Cup 4 years before Australasia?
Apparently, Asia didn't even get their bid in time, only Australasia did, but for some reason, Asia still got the World Cup. Why was this?
After the appalling scenes in Lahore, where the Sri Lankan team bus was shot at, Pakistan quite rightly lost their right to host the tournament, but when they lost their Semi-Final venue, why was it given to India (who already had the final). In order to be fair to all 3 major Asian sides (SL and Pak got the semis and India got the final), but when Pak lost their right to host the semis, India got it. Why was this?
Why did they get rid of the Super-6 and Super-8 and have a knockout competition?
In 1996, when Pakistan didn't top their group, they had to play the QF in India, yet in 2011, no matter where India or SL finished (neither topped their group), both teams still got home quarter finals. Why was this?
Group Stages
Australia Zimbabwe first 10 overs was called into question.
Sri Lanka's loss to Pakistan was called into question
Shane Warne predicted an England-India draw before the match
Pakistan bowled full toss after full toss allowing NZ to make 100 in their powerplay.
India destrying South Africa lost their last 9 wickets for 29.
England lost to Ireland after Ireland had lost 5 early wickets and the required run rate was astronomical.
These seem like perfect examples of the bracket fixing that the infamous Mazhar Majeed was talking about in his confessions.
The Semi Finals and Final were dodgy as I've mentioned before.
You want to question another tournament Neon, be my guest. But these are the reasons why i felt the World Cup 2011 was fixed. I totally understand why you wouldn't like these comments because your team won and I'm questioning it, but it's just my opinion and it's not only India that I blame if it was fixed. I blame all cricketing nations for allowing this to happen (if it did happen).
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That match was just a part of the script in that fixed World Cup. Not being investigated by the ICC quite says it all.
Watching Pakistan lose in that match was quite unbeleivable for my eyes, it was like we were gifting that to them. Do you really think that Sachin's lbw was a 'not out', and don't tell me you think Misbah was actually saving his wicket to pull a victory in that match.
I would not blame Pakistan team for that fix, as apparently it seemed they were just acting according to the script handed to them by the ICC.
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Yes of course, India win the world cup and beat pakystan so it has to be a fix
Stinks of sour grapes from the pak fans. Grow up guys.
posted on 12/11/12
Neon, you are correct, tournament-fixing is far-fetched and I understand why you would think it wasn't fixed. But, after the Armstrong farce, I will continue to question whenever I see something weird happening.
Rafa Nadal being out for so long also seems dodgy, seems like he's serving out a "ban", without tarnishing the sport. Just my opinion.
Winningways, at least one person agrees that there's a possibility the tournament was fixed, but I would blame Pakistan and every other country (if it was fixed) as they seemed to take advantage of the script and set up their own bracket-fixing in the group stages.
Alt J, as stated before, this has nothing to do with India-Pakistan. India have beaten Pak many times recently and the only match that has been put into question is this World Cup match.
Why not give some reasons as to why you believe it wasn't fixed, because I'm getting sick of the "Sour Grapes" line. Match-fixing in IPL, Pakistan in England, Mervyn Westfield, Hashan Tilekeratne sayin SL have been fixing since 1992. It's not as if cricket is a clean sport with regards to match-fixing, so why do people rubbish these claims that this match or tournament was fixed? Like most cricket fans, it just seems like burying your head in the sand.
posted on 12/11/12
Agree with you 100% here justtrue. I cant think of any other game than the world cup semi final. The T20 final, the recent T20 beating by india and other world cup matches india have beaten Pakistan in I don’t have issue with – all were fine from the match perspective (not from pak performances!!). The 2011 semi final was dodgy and the final was even worse – I said it then, I’ll say it again (opinion based).
Two English posters have claimed ed Hawkins is well respected ? Have you seen his article in daily mail today? Its very detailed and technical and gives a lot of food for thought and gives a different perspective on the pak 3 from 2010. Basically what hes saying is there was no spot fixing on that day of the test and the NOTW only proved that he had influence over butt - as a result the reason why these guys went to prison was flawed. the cricket ban should have stood (although my views on amir are well known on here), but the prison sentences were aload of nonsense...... have a read. Interesting stuff
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"Bookie update… India will bat first and score over 260, 3 wickets fall within the first 15 overs, pak will cruise to 100, then lose 2 quick wickets, at 150 they will be 5 down and crumble and lose by a margin of over 20 runs."
Isn't that what usually happen in ODIs slow low wickets? A team gets off to a flier when the ball is hard a new, then when a wicket falls, it is a hard for the new batsman to score and also looses his wicket trying to maintainn the runrate. There is usually a small recovery, but another wicket down and the team collapses. Or am I missing something here?
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