It freaks like these, that have stooped my little girl singing Blah Blah Black sheep in Nursery!

And freaks come in all colours and religions!

Conjecture, hearsay and rumour; layers love it.

A friend, a few seasons ago remarked that he did not know I wore glasses. He does not go down to the match often. I reply that "I had only got them a week or two ago and I now know that dele adabola is black"

is that racist or just a duff joke?

are you sure he didnt say crap

ears are ok its just the peepers

Absolutely agree with you Ramadan.
Anyone can find hidden intent and hatred within anything said. It's the meaning behind something that really matters.
Also, I personally feel that something is offensive if the person actually being spoken to is offended! These jokers and hangers on 'black lawyers' ??.??? Self serving bunch of nöb heads.

Are Chelsea / the players concerned going to be charged with bringing the game into disrepute?? I don't particularly like clattenburg, but his treatment has been shocking. They can't just throw mud around hoping some will stick.

I expect there to be a rise is lots of school kids going to A&E tomorrow for attempting Ibra super overhead kick goal!

sorry wrong thread!

That Ray bloke from the Dogs. He was racist and sexist and had homophobic tendencies. I'm not surprised they banned him.

Of course an organisation like this is divisive. What would the reaction be to a 'Society of White lawyers' ? I cannot imagine it being tolerated, and with good reason. There are only two kinds of lawyers, good and bad....well...okay, ONE kind of lawyer.....

Yet more people with something to gain by finding racism everywhere. They do more harm than good and they know it. They know they're damaging an important cause but if it gets them a name they don't care.

To me the whole racism in football thing is being handled all wrong and the messages being sent out aren't right. It shouldn't be about getting black players a better deal, as some seem to think it is. We shouldn't have Rio thinking he can tell football what it should be doing after his choc ice retweet, he thinks it's funny but it shows he doesn't even understand the basic issues. The point is we're all the same. That's the point that needs pushing.

On the whole in this country, maybe in the world we see colour to much and we need to move away from it.

sutton=redskum

Kernowram - you stole my thunder re: the SBL and Spurs songs.

The last time I looked, the Jewish Community were very successful and able to deal with their own issues. Not sure they need the SBL to get offended on their behalf.

What do you call two thousand lawyers in a large blender?

A good start.

I like The Simpsons' take on a world without lawyers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u9JAt6gFqM

Just as Communism was a great ideal which was set up altruistically by Lenin and Stalin then seized the power and the agenda changed, I think that this society was probably set up with the best will in the world to support a minority group in an underrepresented industry.

Now they are becoming parodies of themselves by starting agendas which are considered frivolous.

I don't see colour as I don't see any white people. I am pink(ish)

Why it has to be a big issue all the time beggars belief sometimes. I don't agree with exclusively black, asian or white, even gay, ageist, men or women clubs/establishments because I think it alienates them even more. I might not approve of certain things. I am straight but don't preach to someone because they are not. I am atheist too but do not argue that Jonah was off having an affair rather than sitting inside a whale

I understand that if someone insults someone because of any of the above then you are likely to be taken to account. But to bang on about it is just cause for making it worse.

Get on with your lives together. We are all different but the same

I take people as I find them whatever race, colour, sexual preferences. People are people, good and bad in all. One thing I do detest is people playing the race card. I get accused of racism quite often. I am a debt collector and I hassle them not because of their colour or whatever but because they haven't paid their debts. When I am accused I just tell them to tell my wife who is black. Their faces are a picture sometimes.

I agree lets move away from colour give back all the land and wealth our white nations have stolen from non-white nations, pay reparations to all the victims that we have enslaved, tortured, raped, humiliated or starved over the last few centuries. Move back to the inner city and share some of the wealth if we have any left after reparations, with our inner city cousins. Stop moving our wallets to the other hand when a black man walks on the bus, Stop saying to black players "your job is to run". Then finally black people won't have to worry about police violence, workplace discrimination, the legacy of a brutal slave trade, Muslims won't have to worry about petrol bombs through their letterboxes or MI5 mistaking their Quran for a 'how to blow up the west' encyclopedia and best of all white people won't have to live in fear of people of colour savagely misusing their race card against them. Roll on the day my friends.

PS Sorry for I've worked with communities of colour for the past 10 years, had 1 unarmed youth kicked to death by 6 white police officers in broad daylight, 1 young girl miscarry after being kneed in the back and pinned against the floor by 2 police officers, 3 teenagers tortured over a five hour period for info on possible gang members, that's just the police, I would be writing till the cows come home if I included the education, legal and employment side of life. The misuse of the race card is not helpful, but neither is thinking racism is over let's just be friends. One guy said to me growing up in Butetown Cardiff " I play the race card cos it's the only F$&&"&8g card I was given, you give me some of those cards you been keeping to yourself for all these years n you might see something different."

I agree that having a society such as this does seem a bit contradictory. I thought the same thing initially. I suppose the difference between them and a Society for White Lawyers is that there is a grievance that they're striving against. What would the white lawyers aim be?

I am surprised that they aren't maybe a Society for Minority Lawyers, are there going to be all sorts of other ethnic minotiry lawyers banding together. It's all getting a bit silly.

Wellies

You talk a lot of sense, obviously, but talking about crimes committed by ancestors doesn't exactly help things move forwards. What do you mean by "pay reparations to victims in this context? How far do you want to go back? William the Conquerer, to name one of many, invaded this country and enslaved, butchered and was othewise quite nasty to our ancestors, indulging in a spot of genocide with his Harrying of the North - does this mean we can go to the French government for some sort of compensation? Why not?

The point being made by this article is that those people seeking to stoke things up are precisely those who HAVEN'T just been given one effing card to play - it is the likes of Rio Ferdinand and the Society of Black Lawyers who see something here that they can use for their own ends. There are plenty of much better causes for black people and other minorities that they could be focussing on, as you point out, not trying to fry Clattenburg over something which it appears likely didn't even happen in the first place.

You talk a lot of sense, obviously, but talking about crimes committed by ancestors doesn't exactly help things move forwards. What do you mean by "pay reparations to victims in this context? How far do you want to go back? William the Conquerer, to name one of many, invaded this country and enslaved, butchered and was othewise quite nasty to our ancestors, indulging in a spot of genocide with his Harrying of the North - does this mean we can go to the French government for some sort of compensation? Why not?

The point being made by this article is that those people seeking to stoke things up are precisely those who HAVEN'T just been given one effing card to play - it is the likes of Rio Ferdinand and the Society of Black Lawyers who see something here that they can use for their own ends. There are plenty of much better causes for black people and other minorities that they could be focussing on, as you point out, not trying to fry Clattenburg over something which it appears likely didn't even happen in the first place.

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I think that's a very good post. I was going to say something similar but probably not as good.

Vidals et al prolly not my best thought out post, in bed with gastroenteritis for the past 2 days n reading all the nonsensical posts re racism finally got the better of me.

Reparations was me being facetious n were britain n France to settle their debts not sure there'd be much left over for the harrying of the North n us sending them Joe Cole.

In terms of how far back we go though I'm not sure France are explicitly benefitting from the harrying of the North like they are from their colonialism, that's my problem when privileged people refuse to acknowledge their privilege and then blame those who try and push the issue (whether those people are self serving or righteous)

Until we as a people face up to our role in creating racism n do some real work to redress the balance, we'll continue to have these moments. I think football and clubs in particular could take a big lead on this and this is where the debate should be.

Too late hope I'm making sense will try n write when more coherent.

Wellies



"Us sending them Joe Cole"

That Boadecia's got a lot to answer for.