A loss doesn't mean we're out

It has to be a win and no less if we draw then we will likely finish 2nd which means we have a 1 in 2 chance of going up against 1 of Barcelona, Real and Bayern

Can't wait for tuesday

If we lose then we will be 2 points behind Juve and a draw for them at Donetsk will be enough to take them to next round.

sorry scratch that, a 3 in 5 chance of going against those 3 presuming they all qualify top as the favourites of their group

Yeah I know. I think they'll lose to Donetsk.

Thank heavens that Nordsjaelland somehow got a point off Juventus.

BS. A draw will be enough. Even if Shakthar win you will only be 2 points behind, and they will face a Juve team in the last game who must win.
Great chance that Real will finish second, along with clubs like PSG and Milan, and every chance Bayern will also finish second.

1st or 2nd won't matter, as long as you get through the draw can be kind.

We could probably have taken a loss before but Shaktar got more away goals against us

The stitch up is on......if you lot lose this week and Shaktar win. Juve and Shaktar could play out a bore draw in final game meaning both go through and you lot go out. Or is that not right?

Ivanovic and Cahill for me... Luiz has looked poor for a long time now. But I agree with anything else

The stitch up is on......if you lot lose this week and Shaktar win. Juve and Shaktar could play out a bore draw in final game meaning both go through and you lot go out. Or is that not right?

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Yep. But hopefully we'll take at least a point of Juventus.

Annoyingly yes

I hate the champions league group stage tie breakers

let the old Chelsea team turn up.

play defensive and boring football for 90 mins and a corner..bang

It should suit us to counter attack them given they're a possession team

Tough ask. Juventus are a formidable side at the moment. True test of the character of your team.

I reckon you'll get the point you need though.

Bendtner to get the winner

I want a draw

I wouldn't want anything less than a win but obviously a draw would be a decent result.

I think we should seriously consider using this team on Tuesday:
...................Cech....................
.....Ivanovich...Luiz....Cahill....
Azpilicueta.....................Cole
...........Mikel....Ramires.........
Oscar........Mata........Hazard

First or second makes a big difference in the next draw so if the senario played out that we loose on teusday i dont think shaktar and juventus will play for a draw . But lets not get pessemistic i believe the latest results will get the team focused on winning again

Anyone else going? Flying to Genoa tomorrow morning then getting train to Turin Tuesday. Need a result. If we had a better finisher we could've done better yesterday.

good luck