A very limited player with limited output.
A right-footed Matthew Etherington. I laugh when people rave about Tony, i have been stating for a while now, that he is arguably the most wasteful player in our team and i get shot down.
It has taken his current abject form for some people to realise that he is just not that good.
I agree with all your points especially the Hernandez one. With Valencia, I think he's a massively effective player. Pace and strength to burn but the last two years at least when he got to the line, he'd look for the cross. I don't understand why he's stopped doing that and just looks to smash it a long the ground all the time. Or failing that chip it 10 metres past the back post. He's regressing that's for sure.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
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I have been in the same boat. When he was bought I still gave him some benefit of doubt and assumed he will develop as a player. But sadly he sis till as limited as he was earlier.
Also any discussion about Tony soon descends into Nani being worse. I agree Nani is not very consistent and can frustrate the hell out of us. But Valencia is not the answer to whatever it is that Nani lacks. Valencia should be a decent squad player not the one starting most games and Champions League finals.
Im not agree with the Valencia statements, fact is, we played poor and slow football the other day, and that made Valencias job hard. Norwich doubled on the right, so where was we on the left, what if we could have had midfielders coming in the center and shoot? It's our midfield that is limited, and no goal threat that makes us so predictable.
That game as awful, mostly because we had no engine, no real midfielder in the team that can make that pass, and we also lacked legs in the midfield when it cames to defending. We need young boys that can run 11-12k every match, Giggs ran barely 5k and so did Carrick, I can't imagine what a player like İlkay Gündoğan, we lack strenght too, Victor Vanyama could be an option..
Carrick , Scholes, Giggs, all these guys looks like they think its already won before they enter the pitch, they know we are the best team and therefore underestimate our opponent! Most of our "defensive issues" is actually caused by a midfield that is never trying to win back the ball, and the lack of legs results in us getting counterattcked. This is why I don't get why we still use the old guys and not Cleverley and stuff
comment by YouKnowWilson (U11917)
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Even though our midfiled could obviously improve, against Norwich the main reason for our bad performance was the lack of width. 4-4-2 is too reliant on wingers and Valencia is very often found out. Even Young provided some decent crosses when he moved to the right. We should have exploited the right side more in the first half. Most decent crosses on the right actually came from Rafael.
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 32 minutes ago
A very limited player with limited output.
A right-footed Matthew Etherington. I laugh when people rave about Tony, i have been stating for a while now, that he is arguably the most wasteful player in our team and i get shot down.
It has taken his current abject form for some people to realise that he is just not that good.
comment by YouKnowWilson (U11917) posted 8 minutes ago
Im not agree with the Valencia statements, fact is, we played poor and slow football the other day, and that made Valencias job hard. Norwich doubled on the right, so where was we on the left, what if we could have had midfielders coming in the center and shoot? It's our midfield that is limited, and no goal threat that makes us so predictable.
That game as awful, mostly because we had no engine, no real midfielder in the team that can make that pass
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Michael Carrick hit more passes than anyone in the PL on Saturday and he regularly tops the ground covered stats
He needs Ando or Clevs with him, not Scholes or Giggs
By the end of the game, he had Scholes and Giggs with him
Carrick was our best player on Saturday, Tidy with the ball and always looking for a forward pass. Sadly, at times, the movement ahead of him was worse than pedestrian.
Let's not pick on the easy targets eh. Carrick's a slow starter but has started to show his form of last season in the last 2 games.
If I was Clevs or Ando and was sat watching a 39 year older winger in CM ahead of me, I would be questioning what I'm doing at OT.
We had 4 fit CM sat on the bench and Sit Alex plated Giggs again when we have a dead rubber to play this week
For me, it's utterly ridiculous.
3 points chucked away by a team that looked like total strangers.
Worst performance I've seen from United for a long time
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posted on 19/11/12
A very limited player with limited output.
A right-footed Matthew Etherington. I laugh when people rave about Tony, i have been stating for a while now, that he is arguably the most wasteful player in our team and i get shot down.
It has taken his current abject form for some people to realise that he is just not that good.
posted on 19/11/12
I agree with all your points especially the Hernandez one. With Valencia, I think he's a massively effective player. Pace and strength to burn but the last two years at least when he got to the line, he'd look for the cross. I don't understand why he's stopped doing that and just looks to smash it a long the ground all the time. Or failing that chip it 10 metres past the back post. He's regressing that's for sure.
posted on 19/11/12
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
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I have been in the same boat. When he was bought I still gave him some benefit of doubt and assumed he will develop as a player. But sadly he sis till as limited as he was earlier.
Also any discussion about Tony soon descends into Nani being worse. I agree Nani is not very consistent and can frustrate the hell out of us. But Valencia is not the answer to whatever it is that Nani lacks. Valencia should be a decent squad player not the one starting most games and Champions League finals.
posted on 19/11/12
Im not agree with the Valencia statements, fact is, we played poor and slow football the other day, and that made Valencias job hard. Norwich doubled on the right, so where was we on the left, what if we could have had midfielders coming in the center and shoot? It's our midfield that is limited, and no goal threat that makes us so predictable.
That game as awful, mostly because we had no engine, no real midfielder in the team that can make that pass, and we also lacked legs in the midfield when it cames to defending. We need young boys that can run 11-12k every match, Giggs ran barely 5k and so did Carrick, I can't imagine what a player like İlkay Gündoğan, we lack strenght too, Victor Vanyama could be an option..
Carrick , Scholes, Giggs, all these guys looks like they think its already won before they enter the pitch, they know we are the best team and therefore underestimate our opponent! Most of our "defensive issues" is actually caused by a midfield that is never trying to win back the ball, and the lack of legs results in us getting counterattcked. This is why I don't get why we still use the old guys and not Cleverley and stuff
posted on 19/11/12
comment by YouKnowWilson (U11917)
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Even though our midfiled could obviously improve, against Norwich the main reason for our bad performance was the lack of width. 4-4-2 is too reliant on wingers and Valencia is very often found out. Even Young provided some decent crosses when he moved to the right. We should have exploited the right side more in the first half. Most decent crosses on the right actually came from Rafael.
posted on 19/11/12
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 32 minutes ago
A very limited player with limited output.
A right-footed Matthew Etherington. I laugh when people rave about Tony, i have been stating for a while now, that he is arguably the most wasteful player in our team and i get shot down.
It has taken his current abject form for some people to realise that he is just not that good.
posted on 19/11/12
comment by YouKnowWilson (U11917) posted 8 minutes ago
Im not agree with the Valencia statements, fact is, we played poor and slow football the other day, and that made Valencias job hard. Norwich doubled on the right, so where was we on the left, what if we could have had midfielders coming in the center and shoot? It's our midfield that is limited, and no goal threat that makes us so predictable.
That game as awful, mostly because we had no engine, no real midfielder in the team that can make that pass
--------------------
Michael Carrick hit more passes than anyone in the PL on Saturday and he regularly tops the ground covered stats
He needs Ando or Clevs with him, not Scholes or Giggs
By the end of the game, he had Scholes and Giggs with him
Carrick was our best player on Saturday, Tidy with the ball and always looking for a forward pass. Sadly, at times, the movement ahead of him was worse than pedestrian.
Let's not pick on the easy targets eh. Carrick's a slow starter but has started to show his form of last season in the last 2 games.
If I was Clevs or Ando and was sat watching a 39 year older winger in CM ahead of me, I would be questioning what I'm doing at OT.
We had 4 fit CM sat on the bench and Sit Alex plated Giggs again when we have a dead rubber to play this week
For me, it's utterly ridiculous.
3 points chucked away by a team that looked like total strangers.
Worst performance I've seen from United for a long time
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