I really don't want to get into another long-winded debate here.

My exception was mainly in the fact that you think other fans are condoning racism. For example, Chelsea think Terry was innocent, the courts of law found him not guilty, so it's a perfectly reasonable stance to take. Liverpool fans think Suarez is innocent and considering the only word he admitted to using was 'negro' which in the language they were speaking, means 'black' is perfectly reasonable. None of these sets of fans are condoning racism, they don't think their players were guilty of racial abuse.

I don't agree with Spurs fans using the Y-word and I could say that Spurs fans singing it are condoning racism but that's a dig, a cop-out. I understand Spurs fans don't believe that they are using racial abuse, I understand that there is a history behind the word.

My gripe was with you attacking other fans for perceiving them to condone racism, whilst you are perceived to condone it yourselves.

What about the origins? It doesn't matter.
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Nothing matters more than its origins. Let me guess you are the type to go and tell people in Asia to stop using the swastika because people in Europe may not understand its origins and can only think of Hitler when they say it?

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There's a racially abusive word used. To say that Jews can use it because they have suffered it, I don't agree with but fair enough, i'm not going to take it away from them, afterall they're the sufferers but to say because you're a Spurs fan, you can use it, is fecking ridiculous.
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It is not just me that has stated this, try Tottenham's Jewish owner, try the police, try the British law courts.

The song is used in solidarity with the Jews from the constant abuse that Tottenham suffered because a decent portion of their fans where Jewish.

For you to take something that has its origins in anti racism and use it as a stick to beat someone with for being racist is very much the definition of stupidity..

Your argument makes about as much sense as a chocolate teapot!

And Suarez uses the word 'negro' to people in his own country, blah blah but the fact is, it was deemed racial abuse in the UK, just as the y-word is.

And Suarez uses the word 'negro' to people in his own country, blah blah but the fact is, it was deemed racial abuse in the UK, just as the y-word is.
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If his use of the word had come about in a similar way to the way the Spurs one has come about then fair enough, but we can be assured that Suarez's use of the word wasn't done to combat racism or take the hurt out of the word.

I can never accept that calling a black person black is racist. Now, if a derogatory was used, then I could accept that it was, like the y-word for example.

Black people use the n-word, I don't agree with it, it doesn't create equality and thus there is racism. Some Jewish fans of Spurs, use the y-word, I don't agree with it, it doesn't create equality and thus there is racism. Spurs fans who aren't Jewish use it, I don't agree with it, they aren't Jewish and are using a derogatory word to describe Jews.

I'm not sure what you're getting at.

Any person that can't see that we don't sing that song to insult or abuse anyone is a moron. They are Spartacus songs. I'm not a Jewish, but I am a Y, i'm very proud of our Jewish support, and i'll happily take that name as an act of solidarity against real abuse that has been aimed at us in the past.


The club statement:


“Our guiding principle in respect of the ‘Y-word’ is based on the point of law itself — the distinguishing factor is the intent with which it is used.

“Our fans adopted the chant as a defence mechanism in order to own the term and thereby deflect anti-Semitic abuse. They do not use the term to others to cause any offence, they use it a chant amongst themselves.”