The interesting thing is people don't seem to have noticed! I still hear and read comments like "Arsenal play pretty football but don't get results/can't finish chances"
We don't anymore! Can't remember the last time we genuinely outpassed or outplayed a team that is in a similar bracket of ability to us. No disrespect to Southampton, we were fluid and passed the ball really well from end to end, but they absolutely let us do it.
We're a boring team now. I think this is the first time I can say this in my time supporting Arsenal (wasn't old enough to remember the Graham era). Every game is very predictable.
The football we play is appalling, didn't have a noticeable style last night and we aren't creating chances.
Last team that played well had in midfield
rosicky.flamini.cesc.hleb
That team was awesome IMO.
Agree with the OP however I also feel the team is badly in need of fresh ideas, better motivation, and a manager who is willing to change and adapt.
AW for all his genius (and I use the phrase deliberately) refuses to adapt. He still utilises the same tactics year after year. This was commendable when he had the players at his disposal to carry it out.
However year after year as the squad quality lessens, we no longer (and not had for a long time) have the players to implement his ‘vision.’
I think we're playing poorly.
But
If last night was one of your most depressing ever as an Arsenal fan, you're a very lucky supporter indeed.
The football we play is appalling, didn't have a noticeable style last night and we aren't creating chances.
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That is the most annoying thing. We lack creativity at all and depending on Cazorla who needs a rest doing the magic.
Agree with the OP however I also feel the team is badly in need of fresh ideas, better motivation, and a manager who is willing to change and adapt.
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Don't think that has to do with motiviation. I do think the players are willing to do well but some of them lack quality.
Keep in mind that Everton are a match for anybody when they play at home. They expect to compete at the very least on even terms with any visiting team.
I'm not saying Arsenal haven't regressed they have but give Everton some credit they are more than a match for any English Premier League side on their own ground.
IMO there has to be a lack of motivation – or possibly it stems from the coaching ethos within the club. When you see players not tracking back or closing down, game after game you have to question their motivation.
It is not due to ability or fitness.
Mr Z
Completely agree that the game last night on a stand alone basis was a good result.
However when you combine Arsenal’s other poor performances it highlights again how far the club have regressed.
look, i'll support Arsenal regardless, but i don't get enthused the same way i used to about watching them, or just checking the results.
What has covered up our lack of success over the past 7 years has been our style of football, universally lauded by all. But that is seriously dwindling, and has been for a few seasons now. 07-8 we were fantastic, and in 10-11 we had a midfield and attack to rival anyone, but our back five weren't up to it.
Thats been the biggest frustration, coming so close,being a player or two short of really being contenders. I cant remember a time since the invincibles that i've looked at the Arsenal first team and not found any area we could really improve.
Arsene is a fantastic manager and revolutionised not only the way we play football but also the premier league. But i fear he's losing his way, persistency with poor tactics and the refusal to adapt is leaving a sour taste in the mouth of most Arsenal fans.
January is key for us, Wenger needs to show he recognises his and his teams short comings. A solid, physcial midfielder, Moussa Sissoko, Waymana (spelling) Capoue, and a new creative outlet would benefit us, but not unless the whole ethos of the team, management and training changes.
Let Bould take charge of the defence, and drill them into a solid unit.
Prioritise working on our play off the ball, we have to be aggressive, energetic and press the opposition in all areas of the pitch.
And get the players doing the basics right, pass and move, pass and move, quick direct passing, controlling the ball, moving into space. We desperately need to speed up the pace of our game.
Come on Arsene, give us a new and better Arsenal!
IMO there has to be a lack of motivation – or possibly it stems from the coaching ethos within the club. When you see players not tracking back or closing down, game after game you have to question their motivation.
It is not due to ability or fitness.
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I disagree with you on that. You can see that we already overplayed Giroud, Arteta and Cazorla and that Wilshere here and there needs a breather too.
They all looked tired.
If that is true it could be one reason why we werent closing down teams in midfield and of course our tactical approach on the other hand.
gunnerthru
You have proved my point. What motivation is there for players, when they know that they will be in the starting XI week after week after week.
Other managers are not afraid to wield the axe and freshen things up a bit. AW has also gone on record about playing players when “in the red.” However more often than not, they are straight back into the starting XI.
Captain Verminator
Agree 100%.
You have proved my point. What motivation is there for players, when they know that they will be in the starting XI week after week after week.
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Don't think so mate because the players who are playing week in and week out are the players we cant afford to rest or to lose due to injury. What we do need is depths to replace adaquate. I wouldnt go so far to say that the players who coming in are not even trying to do their best.
gunnerthru
That is the point. Some players know they are ‘undroppable’ as we rely on them so much and there is no competition for their place.
They know that if they put in a string of poor performances there will be no consequences. Ergo there is not the same motivation there is at other ‘top’ clubs.
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posted on 29/11/12
The interesting thing is people don't seem to have noticed! I still hear and read comments like "Arsenal play pretty football but don't get results/can't finish chances"
We don't anymore! Can't remember the last time we genuinely outpassed or outplayed a team that is in a similar bracket of ability to us. No disrespect to Southampton, we were fluid and passed the ball really well from end to end, but they absolutely let us do it.
posted on 29/11/12
We're a boring team now. I think this is the first time I can say this in my time supporting Arsenal (wasn't old enough to remember the Graham era). Every game is very predictable.
posted on 29/11/12
The football we play is appalling, didn't have a noticeable style last night and we aren't creating chances.
posted on 29/11/12
Last team that played well had in midfield
rosicky.flamini.cesc.hleb
That team was awesome IMO.
posted on 29/11/12
Agree with the OP however I also feel the team is badly in need of fresh ideas, better motivation, and a manager who is willing to change and adapt.
AW for all his genius (and I use the phrase deliberately) refuses to adapt. He still utilises the same tactics year after year. This was commendable when he had the players at his disposal to carry it out.
However year after year as the squad quality lessens, we no longer (and not had for a long time) have the players to implement his ‘vision.’
posted on 29/11/12
I think we're playing poorly.
But
If last night was one of your most depressing ever as an Arsenal fan, you're a very lucky supporter indeed.
posted on 29/11/12
The football we play is appalling, didn't have a noticeable style last night and we aren't creating chances.
____________________________
That is the most annoying thing. We lack creativity at all and depending on Cazorla who needs a rest doing the magic.
posted on 29/11/12
Agree with the OP however I also feel the team is badly in need of fresh ideas, better motivation, and a manager who is willing to change and adapt.
__________________
Don't think that has to do with motiviation. I do think the players are willing to do well but some of them lack quality.
posted on 29/11/12
Keep in mind that Everton are a match for anybody when they play at home. They expect to compete at the very least on even terms with any visiting team.
I'm not saying Arsenal haven't regressed they have but give Everton some credit they are more than a match for any English Premier League side on their own ground.
posted on 29/11/12
IMO there has to be a lack of motivation – or possibly it stems from the coaching ethos within the club. When you see players not tracking back or closing down, game after game you have to question their motivation.
It is not due to ability or fitness.
posted on 29/11/12
Mr Z
Completely agree that the game last night on a stand alone basis was a good result.
However when you combine Arsenal’s other poor performances it highlights again how far the club have regressed.
posted on 29/11/12
look, i'll support Arsenal regardless, but i don't get enthused the same way i used to about watching them, or just checking the results.
What has covered up our lack of success over the past 7 years has been our style of football, universally lauded by all. But that is seriously dwindling, and has been for a few seasons now. 07-8 we were fantastic, and in 10-11 we had a midfield and attack to rival anyone, but our back five weren't up to it.
Thats been the biggest frustration, coming so close,being a player or two short of really being contenders. I cant remember a time since the invincibles that i've looked at the Arsenal first team and not found any area we could really improve.
Arsene is a fantastic manager and revolutionised not only the way we play football but also the premier league. But i fear he's losing his way, persistency with poor tactics and the refusal to adapt is leaving a sour taste in the mouth of most Arsenal fans.
January is key for us, Wenger needs to show he recognises his and his teams short comings. A solid, physcial midfielder, Moussa Sissoko, Waymana (spelling) Capoue, and a new creative outlet would benefit us, but not unless the whole ethos of the team, management and training changes.
Let Bould take charge of the defence, and drill them into a solid unit.
Prioritise working on our play off the ball, we have to be aggressive, energetic and press the opposition in all areas of the pitch.
And get the players doing the basics right, pass and move, pass and move, quick direct passing, controlling the ball, moving into space. We desperately need to speed up the pace of our game.
Come on Arsene, give us a new and better Arsenal!
posted on 29/11/12
IMO there has to be a lack of motivation – or possibly it stems from the coaching ethos within the club. When you see players not tracking back or closing down, game after game you have to question their motivation.
It is not due to ability or fitness.
____________________
I disagree with you on that. You can see that we already overplayed Giroud, Arteta and Cazorla and that Wilshere here and there needs a breather too.
They all looked tired.
If that is true it could be one reason why we werent closing down teams in midfield and of course our tactical approach on the other hand.
posted on 29/11/12
gunnerthru
You have proved my point. What motivation is there for players, when they know that they will be in the starting XI week after week after week.
Other managers are not afraid to wield the axe and freshen things up a bit. AW has also gone on record about playing players when “in the red.” However more often than not, they are straight back into the starting XI.
Captain Verminator
Agree 100%.
posted on 29/11/12
You have proved my point. What motivation is there for players, when they know that they will be in the starting XI week after week after week.
_________________
Don't think so mate because the players who are playing week in and week out are the players we cant afford to rest or to lose due to injury. What we do need is depths to replace adaquate. I wouldnt go so far to say that the players who coming in are not even trying to do their best.
posted on 29/11/12
gunnerthru
That is the point. Some players know they are ‘undroppable’ as we rely on them so much and there is no competition for their place.
They know that if they put in a string of poor performances there will be no consequences. Ergo there is not the same motivation there is at other ‘top’ clubs.
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