jfdi, i understand my feelings are he didn't pull up too many tree stumps.
likeable chap though!
The fact we are still discussing Avram Grant and quite a few here show a clearly personal subjective dislike of him so long after he left . There have been 5 managers since , right? Hiddink Scolari Ancellotti AVB and Roberto. Anyone missed out? 5 gaffers FFS!. And we still discuss Grant. Why are some Blues fans so obsessed by Avram Grant. Refusing to give him credit for his achievements . At Portsmouth and West Ham he inherited untenable situations. You cant blame him for those two. His looks . Come on
So he wasn't a rock star he did not display passion publicly . Anyone but him to take credit for Chelsea successes that season is most unfair. And those saying these things know it. So Why then? Is it because he was an Israeli a pious Jew ? Are there racist reasons behind this viscous hatred of the man? I dont think so , not really. Then why, Im really quite curious to know whenever we discuss Avram Grant the most unfair and outrageous nonsense is spoken. He on the other hand has said only good things about us. He has bee the perfect gentleman, not that we need a gent to be our gaffer. Please do enlighten me. Why does AG collect so much animosity.
Tway he's a crap manager. It's simple.
I dont hate Avram
If he can come in and get us 3 points and get us playing like a team again, I dont give two hoots if he's back in the dugout.
You aren't going to pull up many tree stumps with a cameo role at Chelsea or at the likes of Portsmouth or West Ham.
Success at one club does not garrauntee success at another, look at AVB or Brendan Rodgers to date. Some seemingly great managers like Moyes never get a crack at running a team where their true potential can be tested, some have been given the chance and failed.
It is a combination of factors that makes a winning team, and they can take a while to build.
United is a good example of this, Arsenal is an example where perhaps too much faith has been put into a model.
I still don't see the point in bringing back Grant though, just to be clear.
At least not at this stage. But again I saw no reason then or now to get rid of RDM.
Personally I think the fact that he is available makes it easy for the media to stick a few rumours out there.
I like Grant even if he does look like a ugly cretin
He's not a cretin Oscar.
Do you know what cretin means mate?
He's a likeable idiot though
Why are people bringing up looks?
It is understandable why people don't want him back. The "success" he had at the club if you want to call it that was not really success was it? 2 Cup final losses and just missing out on the league. And regarding West Ham I made my point above with what Zola did in a more difficult situation the previous season. I just personally think he is a poor manager, that's it really. Some people may have a hatred for him as they think he is the reason why Mourinho got sacked.
Anyway I don't really care right now what happens, I'm just hoping all this ends by the start of next season, and we have a visible plan in place to move forward.
He was never really the manager though, Clarke, Terry,Lampard and Drogba ran that team that year
Well we all need to admit to the fact that Roman has f *** ked up here and he knows it.
I think he regrets hiring RDM and hiring Benitez. Apparantly there's rumours that he went and spoke to the players after he hired Benitez about how they felt about the appointment.
So we're in a bit of a mess right now.. We've very limited in which manager we can get IF we do fire Benitez. The best way forward would be for Benitez to try and get us out of this mess and if it means having the help of Avram then so be it. We cant be fussy now over what managers we want or dont want. Its a mess created by Roman and we have to put up with it unfortunately.
Sam, getting us to 2nd and the final of the CL is not to be scoffed at.
He took a team that struggled to draw with Rosenborg at home under Jose on to beat them away 4 nil (I was at both games).
As for the league cup Spurs wanted it more, their fans were more up for it, their team was more up for it, I was there, you could feel it, before and throughout the game.
In Moscow, it was a tough game, taken to extra time and a man down, a man that was crucial for penalties and but for a slip the whole story could have been very different, it wasn't but there you go (I was there as well).
A team cannot be run by comittee Oscar, now it is Clarke and the players? I don't think so, I think it is blind refusal to accept that Grant has more qualities than some would give him credit for and that is mostly because people felt it messed up Jose's role in the club, I did.
Shoulda got Redknapp really
I don't lay the blame at any individual. I tell you what though, If I thought for a moment any player or group of players thought they ran the club I would want them out immediatley, even Terry.
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its fairly obvious Terry has major sway at the club - if he didnt he wouldn't be there.
As opposed to him being there on merit?
As opposed to him being there on merit?
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He wouldn't be there based on the baggage he brings, his actions etc over a long period of time. I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
Everything is opinion, plenty of clubs heros and captains have or havehad baggage, they are kept on merit though, nothing else.
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gawasoldier
Terry is probably still our most important player. Without him we are lost at the back, it's not just his defensive skills we have been relying on, but his leadership and organisational skills has been one of the foundations of our success over the last 8 years.
comment by gawasoldier1984 (U2134) posted 4 minutes ago
As opposed to him being there on merit?
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He wouldn't be there based on the baggage he brings, his actions etc over a long period of time. I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
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Terry is one of the best defenders in the league and ceratinly the best English defender. Some people refuse to see talent based on many things. With the likes of Ronaldo and Beckham, some could say envy? With Terry, some dislike him.
Also I think these ridiculous suggestions that players run a team are fantasy. Do you honestly think a manager would allow players to run a team? Don't be silly. Simply these have been bourne from AVB being sacked because he didn't get on with a few of the players and thus that created a bad atmosphere and bad results.
I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
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Trust me. We've seen him A LOT over the last 10/11 years. He has had his place on merit. Yes he's an idiot off the pitch but on the pitch, when he's on it. He is one rock solid defender. Probably not so much in the last 1-2 years though but up until our double in '10, he probably would have been one of the best centrebacks in England.
He's still smarting from buying Sheva & Torres.....needs to get some credibility back
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JFDI
I find all that hard to believe, especially when you look at what he has achieved after leaving the club. It sounds like to me you are making excuses for him, you can easily say he took a team that finished with 2 trophies the previous season to finishing with none the following. But then again I guess both of us have our opinions on him.
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No one can win it every year, we had just won back to backs, only Fergie I think has won 3 on the bounce in the premiership era, 2nd is respectable enough for me and I gave you my views on the cup.
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posted on 3/12/12
jfdi, i understand my feelings are he didn't pull up too many tree stumps.
likeable chap though!
posted on 3/12/12
The fact we are still discussing Avram Grant and quite a few here show a clearly personal subjective dislike of him so long after he left . There have been 5 managers since , right? Hiddink Scolari Ancellotti AVB and Roberto. Anyone missed out? 5 gaffers FFS!. And we still discuss Grant. Why are some Blues fans so obsessed by Avram Grant. Refusing to give him credit for his achievements . At Portsmouth and West Ham he inherited untenable situations. You cant blame him for those two. His looks . Come on
So he wasn't a rock star he did not display passion publicly . Anyone but him to take credit for Chelsea successes that season is most unfair. And those saying these things know it. So Why then? Is it because he was an Israeli a pious Jew ? Are there racist reasons behind this viscous hatred of the man? I dont think so , not really. Then why, Im really quite curious to know whenever we discuss Avram Grant the most unfair and outrageous nonsense is spoken. He on the other hand has said only good things about us. He has bee the perfect gentleman, not that we need a gent to be our gaffer. Please do enlighten me. Why does AG collect so much animosity.
posted on 3/12/12
Tway he's a crap manager. It's simple.
posted on 3/12/12
I dont hate Avram
If he can come in and get us 3 points and get us playing like a team again, I dont give two hoots if he's back in the dugout.
posted on 3/12/12
You aren't going to pull up many tree stumps with a cameo role at Chelsea or at the likes of Portsmouth or West Ham.
Success at one club does not garrauntee success at another, look at AVB or Brendan Rodgers to date. Some seemingly great managers like Moyes never get a crack at running a team where their true potential can be tested, some have been given the chance and failed.
It is a combination of factors that makes a winning team, and they can take a while to build.
United is a good example of this, Arsenal is an example where perhaps too much faith has been put into a model.
I still don't see the point in bringing back Grant though, just to be clear.
posted on 3/12/12
At least not at this stage. But again I saw no reason then or now to get rid of RDM.
Personally I think the fact that he is available makes it easy for the media to stick a few rumours out there.
posted on 3/12/12
I like Grant even if he does look like a ugly cretin
posted on 3/12/12
He's not a cretin Oscar.
Do you know what cretin means mate?
posted on 3/12/12
A idiot
posted on 3/12/12
He's a likeable idiot though
posted on 3/12/12
Why are people bringing up looks?
It is understandable why people don't want him back. The "success" he had at the club if you want to call it that was not really success was it? 2 Cup final losses and just missing out on the league. And regarding West Ham I made my point above with what Zola did in a more difficult situation the previous season. I just personally think he is a poor manager, that's it really. Some people may have a hatred for him as they think he is the reason why Mourinho got sacked.
Anyway I don't really care right now what happens, I'm just hoping all this ends by the start of next season, and we have a visible plan in place to move forward.
posted on 3/12/12
He was never really the manager though, Clarke, Terry,Lampard and Drogba ran that team that year
posted on 3/12/12
Well we all need to admit to the fact that Roman has f *** ked up here and he knows it.
I think he regrets hiring RDM and hiring Benitez. Apparantly there's rumours that he went and spoke to the players after he hired Benitez about how they felt about the appointment.
So we're in a bit of a mess right now.. We've very limited in which manager we can get IF we do fire Benitez. The best way forward would be for Benitez to try and get us out of this mess and if it means having the help of Avram then so be it. We cant be fussy now over what managers we want or dont want. Its a mess created by Roman and we have to put up with it unfortunately.
posted on 3/12/12
Sam, getting us to 2nd and the final of the CL is not to be scoffed at.
He took a team that struggled to draw with Rosenborg at home under Jose on to beat them away 4 nil (I was at both games).
As for the league cup Spurs wanted it more, their fans were more up for it, their team was more up for it, I was there, you could feel it, before and throughout the game.
In Moscow, it was a tough game, taken to extra time and a man down, a man that was crucial for penalties and but for a slip the whole story could have been very different, it wasn't but there you go (I was there as well).
A team cannot be run by comittee Oscar, now it is Clarke and the players? I don't think so, I think it is blind refusal to accept that Grant has more qualities than some would give him credit for and that is mostly because people felt it messed up Jose's role in the club, I did.
posted on 3/12/12
Shoulda got Redknapp really
posted on 3/12/12
I don't lay the blame at any individual. I tell you what though, If I thought for a moment any player or group of players thought they ran the club I would want them out immediatley, even Terry.
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its fairly obvious Terry has major sway at the club - if he didnt he wouldn't be there.
posted on 3/12/12
As opposed to him being there on merit?
posted on 3/12/12
As opposed to him being there on merit?
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He wouldn't be there based on the baggage he brings, his actions etc over a long period of time. I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
posted on 3/12/12
Everything is opinion, plenty of clubs heros and captains have or havehad baggage, they are kept on merit though, nothing else.
posted on 3/12/12
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posted on 3/12/12
gawasoldier
Terry is probably still our most important player. Without him we are lost at the back, it's not just his defensive skills we have been relying on, but his leadership and organisational skills has been one of the foundations of our success over the last 8 years.
posted on 3/12/12
comment by gawasoldier1984 (U2134) posted 4 minutes ago
As opposed to him being there on merit?
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He wouldn't be there based on the baggage he brings, his actions etc over a long period of time. I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
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Terry is one of the best defenders in the league and ceratinly the best English defender. Some people refuse to see talent based on many things. With the likes of Ronaldo and Beckham, some could say envy? With Terry, some dislike him.
Also I think these ridiculous suggestions that players run a team are fantasy. Do you honestly think a manager would allow players to run a team? Don't be silly. Simply these have been bourne from AVB being sacked because he didn't get on with a few of the players and thus that created a bad atmosphere and bad results.
posted on 3/12/12
I dont believe he is as good a player asChelsea supporters think but that's opinion.
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Trust me. We've seen him A LOT over the last 10/11 years. He has had his place on merit. Yes he's an idiot off the pitch but on the pitch, when he's on it. He is one rock solid defender. Probably not so much in the last 1-2 years though but up until our double in '10, he probably would have been one of the best centrebacks in England.
posted on 3/12/12
He's still smarting from buying Sheva & Torres.....needs to get some credibility back
posted on 3/12/12
comment by Sam Dalla Bona (U14678)
posted 7 minutes ago
JFDI
I find all that hard to believe, especially when you look at what he has achieved after leaving the club. It sounds like to me you are making excuses for him, you can easily say he took a team that finished with 2 trophies the previous season to finishing with none the following. But then again I guess both of us have our opinions on him.
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No one can win it every year, we had just won back to backs, only Fergie I think has won 3 on the bounce in the premiership era, 2nd is respectable enough for me and I gave you my views on the cup.
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