rodriguez is an awesome talent tbf HNIC, i dont think he'd cost 36 million thats his release clause, but i reckon we could get him for less than 30, him and nani would be awesome on either flank
Isco is quality but I doubt we'd sign him. There are so many quality attacking mids about but with Rooney playing where he does I doubt we'll sign any of them. Or if we do play them out of position.
I think the main point is that for Youngs wages and transfer fee, we could have signed a player who would be nailed on first team, as opposed to a decent player.
Because if this fact (and his cheating), he will probably never be fully accepted by many, unless he can prove them wrong.
Personally I think he's okay, and if he was one of four wing options, I'd be delighted to have him, as he is basically the only left sides winger we have, I don't think he is good enough to warrant such a role.
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This
This is when the Mata argument comes in, we could have signed a top class left sided midfielder with actual technical ability.
I really think SAF has this mentality where his current group of English players will be top players, but its not going to happen. There are very few top English players.
rodriguez is an awesome talent tbf HNIC, i dont think he'd cost 36 million thats his release clause, but i reckon we could get him for less than 30, him and nani would be awesome on either flank
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Shouldnt we keep the £30 million and invest on the midfield and make Nani feel welcome by keeping him?
Also Rob's here expect a 1000+ article
DTKF, oh yeah, complete ways of money, but that's Madrid, they have a long list of over prices players.
I don't think he is great, but he isn't bad. He's the type of option we could do with at times.
And Pepe is a brilliant player I love watching him wind up Barca.
Ninja
The difference between Nani and Rodriguez is that Rodriguez hasn't burnt his bridges with Sir Alex (if that is indeed the case).
Their relationship may be too broken to mend.
This is when the Mata argument comes in, we could have signed a top class left sided midfielder with actual technical ability.
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Its all ifs and buts though mate.
mata may not have wanted to come to utd, plus, what if we had signed him and he'd floped in the PL?
people would be slating fergie for signing a relatvely young spaniard.
like i say, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
HNIC, I do think its important to have a British core to the side.
The difference between Nani and Rodriguez is that Rodriguez hasn't burnt his bridges with Sir Alex (if that is indeed the case).
Their relationship may be too broken to mend.
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How long till Rodriguez burns said bridges with SAF?
like i say, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Well we have hindsight now on the Nani issue. We will sell Nani for £15 million. Buy a winger to replace him for £25 million who may or may not be good enough. We will then neglect the midfield and still be out of pocket. Reeks of negligence and mismanagement to me.
At the time Young was playing very well for Villa and Liverpool were in for him.
Like Dunc said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was the same situation with Jones and Valencia.
Liverpool and other clubs were interested and we won out.
HNIC, I do think its important to have a British core to the side.
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Absolutely, and for that we have Rooney, Smalling and Jones. The rest arent good enough IMHO. Lets face it, the best players are foreign.
refreshing honesty
carry on
How long till Rodriguez burns said bridges with SAF?
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Might happen but given the amount of United players who do get on with the boss i'd say it would be the exception rather than the rule.
Might happen but given the amount of United players who do get on with the boss i'd say it would be the exception rather than the rule.
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SAF is losing his balls a bit. Look how Rooney got away with what he did and also Rafa will probably carry on like it was nothing.
He has his favourites and its because they just do as they are told. The bad ones are spanked Nani for example
BB
Rob, I know they haven't helped, but I don't think the squad has been used to the best of its capabilities since Ronaldo left.
I know we had better options, but at least back then there was a set way of playing and it was a well built team.
Where the game has become more of a squad game now I think Fergie highlights a player with ability and looks at what their different attributes will offer the team. It then leaves us with square pegs in round holes as we have players capable of differing roles which he picks the team to suit the opposition.
We end up having a squad of completely different players that don't all play in the same way. Gives the squad great depth but it doesn't appear to work when building a great side.
SAF is losing his balls a bit. Look how Rooney got away with what he did and also Rafa will probably carry on like it was nothing.
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what did rafa do??
Ninja
What if there is truth to the story that Nani punched Petrucci.
What if Nani was in the wrong?
Noe of us know do we? Maybe the boss is being spiteful, maybe behind the scenes Nani is a douche but what can we do other than take sides or keep an open mind
tbf rafael shouldnt be pilloried for what he did, he showed frustration at being subbed off after half an hour, he probably apologised at H-T, he's been arguably our best player this season and shouldnt be dropped over one momentary, extremely minor indiscretion
what did rafa do??
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Rafael, when he didnt shake the boss's hand, he would have got cruxified for that back in the day.
Noe of us know do we? Maybe the boss is being spiteful, maybe behind the scenes Nani is a douche but what can we do other than take sides or keep an open mind
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Your right Rob, just angers me, you know im one for sticking up for our players.
comment by Red Rob is a Paul Heyman Guy (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
At the time Young was playing very well for Villa and Liverpool were in for him.
Like Dunc said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was the same situation with Jones and Valencia.
Liverpool and other clubs were interested and we won out.
Okay, so do you (or anybody else here) feel his performances, injury record and attributes justify him being our only left winger? Did you ever believe he justified such a tag?
I know I never, I just felt he was very good back up for Nani on he left.
Fergies attempts to sign Hazard and Lucas would seem he agrees.
Look how Rooney got away with what he did
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rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
Darren
I totally get what you're saying but just think Ronaldo was a phenomenon who raised all our expectations and when he left there was always going to be a fall out.
We've done well not to really let it affect the team too much but the biggest problem (for me) has been the crazy amount of injuries.
Had we had half the injuries we had last season we would have won the league and done better in Europe IMO.
Look how Rooney got away with what he did
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rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
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Im not employed by the club though. My point is the manager was more ruthless and it was better then.
Now he is starting to accept things and players behaviour. It was kind of like what are we going to do without Rooney, and almost like he held us ransom.
Whilst I dont agree with what Rooney did, from a managers perspective he got away with murder.
as for Rafa,
good on him, i cant see the problem with showing dissapointment in a poor performance.
ronaldo did it a few years ago, and as fergie said, he was glad to see it as its a desire to succeed.
rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
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to be fair dunc, a supporter questioning the clubs signings is a bit different to a player publicly questioning whether the players he sits opposite in the dressing room are good enough
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posted on 4/12/12
rodriguez is an awesome talent tbf HNIC, i dont think he'd cost 36 million thats his release clause, but i reckon we could get him for less than 30, him and nani would be awesome on either flank
posted on 4/12/12
Isco is quality but I doubt we'd sign him. There are so many quality attacking mids about but with Rooney playing where he does I doubt we'll sign any of them. Or if we do play them out of position.
posted on 4/12/12
I think the main point is that for Youngs wages and transfer fee, we could have signed a player who would be nailed on first team, as opposed to a decent player.
Because if this fact (and his cheating), he will probably never be fully accepted by many, unless he can prove them wrong.
Personally I think he's okay, and if he was one of four wing options, I'd be delighted to have him, as he is basically the only left sides winger we have, I don't think he is good enough to warrant such a role.
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This
This is when the Mata argument comes in, we could have signed a top class left sided midfielder with actual technical ability.
I really think SAF has this mentality where his current group of English players will be top players, but its not going to happen. There are very few top English players.
posted on 4/12/12
rodriguez is an awesome talent tbf HNIC, i dont think he'd cost 36 million thats his release clause, but i reckon we could get him for less than 30, him and nani would be awesome on either flank
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Shouldnt we keep the £30 million and invest on the midfield and make Nani feel welcome by keeping him?
Also Rob's here expect a 1000+ article
posted on 4/12/12
DTKF, oh yeah, complete ways of money, but that's Madrid, they have a long list of over prices players.
I don't think he is great, but he isn't bad. He's the type of option we could do with at times.
And Pepe is a brilliant player I love watching him wind up Barca.
posted on 4/12/12
Ninja
The difference between Nani and Rodriguez is that Rodriguez hasn't burnt his bridges with Sir Alex (if that is indeed the case).
Their relationship may be too broken to mend.
posted on 4/12/12
This is when the Mata argument comes in, we could have signed a top class left sided midfielder with actual technical ability.
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Its all ifs and buts though mate.
mata may not have wanted to come to utd, plus, what if we had signed him and he'd floped in the PL?
people would be slating fergie for signing a relatvely young spaniard.
like i say, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
posted on 4/12/12
HNIC, I do think its important to have a British core to the side.
posted on 4/12/12
The difference between Nani and Rodriguez is that Rodriguez hasn't burnt his bridges with Sir Alex (if that is indeed the case).
Their relationship may be too broken to mend.
------------
How long till Rodriguez burns said bridges with SAF?
like i say, hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Well we have hindsight now on the Nani issue. We will sell Nani for £15 million. Buy a winger to replace him for £25 million who may or may not be good enough. We will then neglect the midfield and still be out of pocket. Reeks of negligence and mismanagement to me.
posted on 4/12/12
At the time Young was playing very well for Villa and Liverpool were in for him.
Like Dunc said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was the same situation with Jones and Valencia.
Liverpool and other clubs were interested and we won out.
posted on 4/12/12
HNIC, I do think its important to have a British core to the side.
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Absolutely, and for that we have Rooney, Smalling and Jones. The rest arent good enough IMHO. Lets face it, the best players are foreign.
posted on 4/12/12
refreshing honesty
carry on
posted on 4/12/12
How long till Rodriguez burns said bridges with SAF?
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Might happen but given the amount of United players who do get on with the boss i'd say it would be the exception rather than the rule.
posted on 4/12/12
Might happen but given the amount of United players who do get on with the boss i'd say it would be the exception rather than the rule.
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SAF is losing his balls a bit. Look how Rooney got away with what he did and also Rafa will probably carry on like it was nothing.
He has his favourites and its because they just do as they are told. The bad ones are spanked Nani for example
posted on 4/12/12
BB
Rob, I know they haven't helped, but I don't think the squad has been used to the best of its capabilities since Ronaldo left.
I know we had better options, but at least back then there was a set way of playing and it was a well built team.
Where the game has become more of a squad game now I think Fergie highlights a player with ability and looks at what their different attributes will offer the team. It then leaves us with square pegs in round holes as we have players capable of differing roles which he picks the team to suit the opposition.
We end up having a squad of completely different players that don't all play in the same way. Gives the squad great depth but it doesn't appear to work when building a great side.
posted on 4/12/12
SAF is losing his balls a bit. Look how Rooney got away with what he did and also Rafa will probably carry on like it was nothing.
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what did rafa do??
posted on 4/12/12
Ninja
What if there is truth to the story that Nani punched Petrucci.
What if Nani was in the wrong?
Noe of us know do we? Maybe the boss is being spiteful, maybe behind the scenes Nani is a douche but what can we do other than take sides or keep an open mind
posted on 4/12/12
tbf rafael shouldnt be pilloried for what he did, he showed frustration at being subbed off after half an hour, he probably apologised at H-T, he's been arguably our best player this season and shouldnt be dropped over one momentary, extremely minor indiscretion
posted on 4/12/12
what did rafa do??
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Rafael, when he didnt shake the boss's hand, he would have got cruxified for that back in the day.
Noe of us know do we? Maybe the boss is being spiteful, maybe behind the scenes Nani is a douche but what can we do other than take sides or keep an open mind
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Your right Rob, just angers me, you know im one for sticking up for our players.
posted on 4/12/12
comment by Red Rob is a Paul Heyman Guy (U9808)
posted 1 minute ago
At the time Young was playing very well for Villa and Liverpool were in for him.
Like Dunc said, hindsight is a wonderful thing. It was the same situation with Jones and Valencia.
Liverpool and other clubs were interested and we won out.
Okay, so do you (or anybody else here) feel his performances, injury record and attributes justify him being our only left winger? Did you ever believe he justified such a tag?
I know I never, I just felt he was very good back up for Nani on he left.
Fergies attempts to sign Hazard and Lucas would seem he agrees.
posted on 4/12/12
Look how Rooney got away with what he did
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rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
posted on 4/12/12
Darren
I totally get what you're saying but just think Ronaldo was a phenomenon who raised all our expectations and when he left there was always going to be a fall out.
We've done well not to really let it affect the team too much but the biggest problem (for me) has been the crazy amount of injuries.
Had we had half the injuries we had last season we would have won the league and done better in Europe IMO.
posted on 4/12/12
Look how Rooney got away with what he did
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rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
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Im not employed by the club though. My point is the manager was more ruthless and it was better then.
Now he is starting to accept things and players behaviour. It was kind of like what are we going to do without Rooney, and almost like he held us ransom.
Whilst I dont agree with what Rooney did, from a managers perspective he got away with murder.
posted on 4/12/12
as for Rafa,
good on him, i cant see the problem with showing dissapointment in a poor performance.
ronaldo did it a few years ago, and as fergie said, he was glad to see it as its a desire to succeed.
posted on 4/12/12
rooney questioned the ambition of the club and its signings..... which is what you are doing, so i fail to see your point mate.
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to be fair dunc, a supporter questioning the clubs signings is a bit different to a player publicly questioning whether the players he sits opposite in the dressing room are good enough
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