For me the best player ever was Maradonna. I've only seen clips of Pele and to me he was a goal scorer whereas Maradonna had everything at every club and all this while coked out his mind
comment by Gary the Tank Commander's unofficial twin fka BhoyMurney (U3627)
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For me the best player ever was Maradonna. I've only seen clips of Pele and to me he was a goal scorer whereas Maradonna had everything at every club and all this while coked out his mind
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totally agree
Fact : Messi has never nutmugged Luis Figo, John Francis O'Shea has.
I've always said without hesitation that Maradona was the best ever.
But Messi is catching him.
At least!
"you said If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it
and maradona had average players around him and yet won many trophies with napoli and also with his country"
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Thats not the point. The point is that discounting a players ability because the country they represent hasn't won anything doesn't really make sense.
And I think you under estimate the strength of those teams. They weren't one man teams by any stretch. They were both great teams, present day argentina isn't.
Messi is the greatest footballer the world has seen.
The World Cup argument us pathetic. By that reasoning George Best was just another half decent player
Argentina never had average players, they had a good team and Maradona, but i think Messi is up there with him now and will keep it up.
Champagne
I think you'll find we've already said the same about the WC and the comments were tongue in cheek.
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I also agree that Messi is the best - certainly the best that I have ever seen play in the flesh
And I doubt that Maradonna wis chinged out his napper in his heyday
Saying that, going forward Argentina should be unbelievable now.
Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Di Maria, Higuain.
I don't know much about their defenders, though.
Some players will never make the latter stages of the WC due to their country - Dalglish whereas other will single handedly drag their country to victory - Maradonna
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Think before I type? Did you even watch Mexico 86? That Argentine team was excellent and whilst Diego was the shining star, he didn't do anything single handedly. Thats a bit of a slur to the talents of Burruchaga and Valdano.
You don't beat a West German side featuring the likes of Rumenigge and Matthaus "single-handedly".
Think before YOU type...
Kagawa you should know better than any - who cares how many you concede when your forward line can score more
All those strikers and yet Wigan's Franco Di Santo was called up for a recent squad.
Pele scored in a World Cup at 17...
Pele scored over 1000 goals...
Pele could dribble, header and was an all round athlete.
As great as the wee man is and, he is...there's Pele and everything below.
Messi is lucky that, the team he plays for are miles in front of the rest.
Now, we can either say it's because Barca are so good or, that Madrid, ManU, Munich, AC Milan et al; are shadows of the teams they once were.
I know which I would choose
the team(brazil) pele played in were miles above everyone else and a lot of the goals he scored were also in the army team
A bluenose said to me that Barcelona aren't the team they used to be and it's quite easy to keep Messi out of the game--- bitter or what.
I never saw Pele play apart from the famous clips that get rolled out when the WC is on but I'd argue that it was easier to score against defenders in 1950/60s Brazil than in 21st Century La Liga.
Not taking anything away from the achievements of the great man but I would still put Messi higher due to the more demanding nature of today's game.
On the other hand, would Messi even be able to kick one of those old balls more than 10 yards?!
the team(brazil) pele played in were miles above everyone else and a lot of the goals he scored were also in the army team
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They were up against Great teams...England's best.
What army team???
Fair point, Gary. Their attack really is immense.
TCD
The Barcelona team that beat us 2-0 in 2009 certainly didn't play a 'shadow' of a United side. We had, by quite a distance, the best defence in the game. Messi was unbelievable that day, and without him, Barcelona are a shadow of the team they are when with him.
As for Pele, I'm quite young so can't comment on him but the talk usually is, is that he's more of a self hype machine that has almost appointed himself as the best ever player. I've read, albeit only on forums, that many people don't even consider him to be the best player to even come from Brazil. To be fair, I can't really comment either way.
pele scored 643 official goals in his club career
over 500 of them came in 'friendlies' including games in the army
Look at the footage of the 1970 WC Final and you couldn't choose a stand-out performer. Even right back Carlos Alberto could bust the net! Great, great team.
Ronaldo is so good he has played in World Cup, Euro and Copa America finals
The Barcelona team that beat us 2-0 in 2009 certainly didn't play a 'shadow' of a United side.
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Compared to when Keane played?
Or Bryan Robson, Cantona?
Barcelona are special...the rest are way, way behind.
But put them up against the Milan team of Baresi, Maldini, Costacurta, Van Basten, Guillit and Rijkaard.
Only one winner for me
Messi, in 8 attempts, hasn't netted against Chelsea.
When Barcelona are up against a compact defence, they struggle(sometimes)
Celtic for instance
'Fat' Ronaldo was simply frightening at his peak. Pace, power, skill, flair. Incredible player. Also the pioneer of the most ridiculous haircut ever!
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posted on 9/12/12
For me the best player ever was Maradonna. I've only seen clips of Pele and to me he was a goal scorer whereas Maradonna had everything at every club and all this while coked out his mind
posted on 9/12/12
comment by Gary the Tank Commander's unofficial twin fka BhoyMurney (U3627)
posted 6 seconds ago
For me the best player ever was Maradonna. I've only seen clips of Pele and to me he was a goal scorer whereas Maradonna had everything at every club and all this while coked out his mind
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totally agree
posted on 9/12/12
Fact : Messi has never nutmugged Luis Figo, John Francis O'Shea has.
posted on 9/12/12
posted on 9/12/12
I've always said without hesitation that Maradona was the best ever.
But Messi is catching him.
At least!
posted on 9/12/12
"you said If you are surrounded by substandard players theres not much you can do about it
and maradona had average players around him and yet won many trophies with napoli and also with his country"
---------------------------------
Thats not the point. The point is that discounting a players ability because the country they represent hasn't won anything doesn't really make sense.
And I think you under estimate the strength of those teams. They weren't one man teams by any stretch. They were both great teams, present day argentina isn't.
posted on 9/12/12
Messi is the greatest footballer the world has seen.
The World Cup argument us pathetic. By that reasoning George Best was just another half decent player
posted on 9/12/12
Argentina never had average players, they had a good team and Maradona, but i think Messi is up there with him now and will keep it up.
posted on 9/12/12
Champagne
I think you'll find we've already said the same about the WC and the comments were tongue in cheek.
Think before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before typeThink before type
posted on 9/12/12
I also agree that Messi is the best - certainly the best that I have ever seen play in the flesh
And I doubt that Maradonna wis chinged out his napper in his heyday
posted on 9/12/12
Saying that, going forward Argentina should be unbelievable now.
Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Di Maria, Higuain.
I don't know much about their defenders, though.
posted on 9/12/12
Some players will never make the latter stages of the WC due to their country - Dalglish whereas other will single handedly drag their country to victory - Maradonna
---------------------------------
Think before I type? Did you even watch Mexico 86? That Argentine team was excellent and whilst Diego was the shining star, he didn't do anything single handedly. Thats a bit of a slur to the talents of Burruchaga and Valdano.
You don't beat a West German side featuring the likes of Rumenigge and Matthaus "single-handedly".
Think before YOU type...
posted on 9/12/12
Kagawa you should know better than any - who cares how many you concede when your forward line can score more
posted on 9/12/12
All those strikers and yet Wigan's Franco Di Santo was called up for a recent squad.
posted on 9/12/12
Pele scored in a World Cup at 17...
Pele scored over 1000 goals...
Pele could dribble, header and was an all round athlete.
As great as the wee man is and, he is...there's Pele and everything below.
Messi is lucky that, the team he plays for are miles in front of the rest.
Now, we can either say it's because Barca are so good or, that Madrid, ManU, Munich, AC Milan et al; are shadows of the teams they once were.
I know which I would choose
posted on 9/12/12
the team(brazil) pele played in were miles above everyone else and a lot of the goals he scored were also in the army team
posted on 9/12/12
A bluenose said to me that Barcelona aren't the team they used to be and it's quite easy to keep Messi out of the game--- bitter or what.
posted on 9/12/12
I never saw Pele play apart from the famous clips that get rolled out when the WC is on but I'd argue that it was easier to score against defenders in 1950/60s Brazil than in 21st Century La Liga.
Not taking anything away from the achievements of the great man but I would still put Messi higher due to the more demanding nature of today's game.
On the other hand, would Messi even be able to kick one of those old balls more than 10 yards?!
posted on 9/12/12
the team(brazil) pele played in were miles above everyone else and a lot of the goals he scored were also in the army team
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They were up against Great teams...England's best.
What army team???
posted on 9/12/12
Fair point, Gary. Their attack really is immense.
TCD
The Barcelona team that beat us 2-0 in 2009 certainly didn't play a 'shadow' of a United side. We had, by quite a distance, the best defence in the game. Messi was unbelievable that day, and without him, Barcelona are a shadow of the team they are when with him.
As for Pele, I'm quite young so can't comment on him but the talk usually is, is that he's more of a self hype machine that has almost appointed himself as the best ever player. I've read, albeit only on forums, that many people don't even consider him to be the best player to even come from Brazil. To be fair, I can't really comment either way.
posted on 9/12/12
pele scored 643 official goals in his club career
over 500 of them came in 'friendlies' including games in the army
posted on 9/12/12
Look at the footage of the 1970 WC Final and you couldn't choose a stand-out performer. Even right back Carlos Alberto could bust the net! Great, great team.
posted on 9/12/12
Ronaldo is so good he has played in World Cup, Euro and Copa America finals
posted on 9/12/12
The Barcelona team that beat us 2-0 in 2009 certainly didn't play a 'shadow' of a United side.
+++
Compared to when Keane played?
Or Bryan Robson, Cantona?
Barcelona are special...the rest are way, way behind.
But put them up against the Milan team of Baresi, Maldini, Costacurta, Van Basten, Guillit and Rijkaard.
Only one winner for me
Messi, in 8 attempts, hasn't netted against Chelsea.
When Barcelona are up against a compact defence, they struggle(sometimes)
Celtic for instance
posted on 9/12/12
'Fat' Ronaldo was simply frightening at his peak. Pace, power, skill, flair. Incredible player. Also the pioneer of the most ridiculous haircut ever!
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