I am happy that something that did not work for so long is now gone. DF must have the to bring in his own players. At least two windows so that means he must have been told have a go this season but next is a must. Coyle left him in a bad position in the league having made some very poor signings. It's been a long time since a manager at Bolton Wanderers football club has had to pick up such a mess.
I think we're still on for 100 points.
I think we're still on for 100 points.
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be nice CC!
TRR, just a couple of observations, based on points raised in your article.
Firstly, I believe we get a full allocation of parachute money for two seasons.
Also, I believe Gartside will still want 2 points per game/promotion, but the difference is that Dougie has a period of grace as a new manager taking over someone else's mess/squad/league position. Rome wasn't built in a day. It would be unreasonable to expect a y new manager to come in and turn a side that was averaging just over one point per game to immediately start averaging two.
So for me the solid expectation from Freedman is a big improvement over the medium term with a play off place at the top end of expectations from the board.
target is finished 6th.i still think we can do it especially after seeing watford and millwall pop up there after being below us.to to this we have to start converting these draws into wins.somewhere along the line a run of wins needs to be put together.here we have 4 games coming up 3 home 1 away all teams below us.should be 12 points.however we have played this game before and due to the players current lack of mental strength and inability to win 2 games back to back i predict 1 win,2 draws and 1 defeat and go into new year still where we are.i hope df is able to wheel and deal effectively in jan to get the 2/3 defenders and genuine goalscorer we need.however we may have to sell mavies as i cannot see any interest in clubs taking the likes of pratley,ream,sordell,ngog,wylde,alonso off our hands.
I seem to recall that Freedman or Gartside said after Freedman was appointed, that there was no pressure being put on him (Freedman).
Personally I don't think promotion by any means is possible this season. Freedman has to have time and although some of us are disappointed with certain results since his arrival it really shows what a mess the club had become under Owen.
Poor purchases of playing staff, if reports are to be believed, dreadful training sessions, poor tactics, lack of information on opponents before games and possibly players lacking faith in the manager. I don't believe DF has a chance of getting us promoted, all we can hope for is that he has everything in place for a real shot at promotion next season.
For me. I am writing this season off and waiting for 2013-2014.
So, were we always going to get 2 years of parachute payments?
Like I said, I appreciate that DF is a new manager and needs a period of time, but I still think that it's wrong to be suggesting that draws and poor performances under him are better than they were under Coyle.
For me, so far, not much has changed. We need wins and until we start winning at least 2 games back to back, I won't be satisfied.
Revised targets....?
A few clean sheets would be a good start.
Then we'll take it from there.
I think we have to look at this holistically.
The main issue now is, under coyle we had bad tactics etc, and bad preparation as SWIE has acknowledged, however to compound that issue is very bad signings. This is something DF has currently no control over.
I deny that things arent currently better, for me they are. Maybe the results having dropped in place just yet, but we do look a more organised and purposeful team. Theres time yet for the season to turn round and up to now i have heard the right things from dougie and seen improvements on the field.
i dont write this season off, i still think we can make playoffs, but dougie needs to address the late goals we are conceding. Which he has at least acknowledged we do, unlike coyle, who said ascendancy, named a random number of minutes, and mentioned barclays a few times
I still think if after two windows nothing has changed then questions can be asked. DF can't do anything but play a 36 year old up front. He obviously doesn't trust Ngog to get goals. Afobe is not ours or good enough and Sordell is too busy on twitter. This means Eagles and Mavies have become our goal threats.
We can't defend because Mills, Knight, Ream, Mears and Alonso are not good enough.
Bogdan has no serious competition.
Midfield is our strongest position but has no depth. There a lot of wingers and few decent central players to play three in middle.
I think DF has done ok with what he has for now. He has to get rid of this dross that Coyle signed and start again. Problem is he has no money to do it.
DF is in a no-lose situation for the moment. When we win, it is down to his tactics and management. When we lose or concede late to draw, it is OC's dross to blame.
This of course always happens. Blackburn are in the same position. Still blaming Kean for everything bad.
So, it really comes down to how long everyone takes to realise we have a new manager and how long he needs to make it his team.
As much as Coyle cited the issues he inherited for quite some time I expect DF to do the same until such that there comes a point were what's left from Coyle is minimal and that problems if there are any are quite clearly were created from one source.
That's nonsense Petrov. Coyle never cited issues he inherited, because his first 16 months were so successful. A fact many people choose to forget.
The only time he cited issues were the injuried and poor refereeing. Coyle never once mentioned Megson.
How was Coyle so successful.? 16 months some blagg that,You have to admire him ,pulling the wool for 16 months ,
Goldenwyn - he joined in Jan. 16 months later we were 7th in prem and in FA Cup semi. All the fans were loving him, and rivals were praising him. The following 18 months was where it all went wrong. Seems you are one of those that have forgotten the first 16 months of his 34 month reign!!!!
Sadly those stats suggest Coyle built a bad squad and released better players...?!
Daniel Sturridge was a borrow and assisted in us staying up in the cup season.....
MT - we stayed up the season before the cup one.
That's nonsense Petrov. Coyle never cited issues he inherited, because his first 16 months were so successful. A fact many people choose to forget.
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Of course he did. Any chance he had to talk about moving players on etc. What's hilarious is your defence of him. In his magical 16 months did you quote the 14th place finish which he managed when he took us over the previous season in the bottom three or the embarrassing 5-0 he subjected us to at Wembley. I know you think he should never have been sacked but there is no point telling people to move on as we have a new manager yet defend the useless one yourself.
did you quote the 14th place finish which he managed when he took us over the same as the previous season when we were in the bottom three
Sorry kids distracting
All your stats prove is what Megson left Coyle was better than what Coyle left DF.
But then many could have told you that 12 months ago. It's not new it just took you longer to come terms with it.
"MT - we stayed up the season before the cup one."
I know fella... With another managers squad and some loans..
My point was his loan signing of Sturridge went someway to keeping us up that season with his goals...
MT - wrong season. Sturridge was in the cup season. Wilshire was in the season he took over and kept us up.
Petrov - the 14th finish and the semi final defeat came in month 17. I have included that in the 18 months that everything went pear-shaped.
It really is simple maths.
I think the point CEF was making was that Coyle never blamed defeats on Megson as he never really had to defend himself those first 16 months. Everyone was fully behind him as they were just glad to see the back of Megson and Coyle had an existing relationship with the fans. Nobody had very high expectations, survival was enough.
He made excuses later on but even then there was something in it, injuries didn't help him for instance. Its just that he also didn't acknowledge his share of the blame.
Mate I know all this!!!
Wilshere Wiess etc first season... I know..
I'm saying, that you mentioned some months after he joined we were 8th.. I'm saying, we then sunk like a stone and could have gone down if not for Sturridge...
Coyle keep us up 2 seasons with loans, and gradually replaced the full time players with poorer ones....
I'm saying his transfer policy was poor and we were sold on 'Young Quality' with 'Resale Value'
2 words.. Marcus Alonso.
Joe McKee!!!!
Not good enough for Burnley, so Coyle bought him...
Anyone have a clue what's happened to this lad?!?
Joe McKee's just a youth player who was a free agent, he's probably on about 5K a week, who cares.
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posted on 9/12/12
I am happy that something that did not work for so long is now gone. DF must have the to bring in his own players. At least two windows so that means he must have been told have a go this season but next is a must. Coyle left him in a bad position in the league having made some very poor signings. It's been a long time since a manager at Bolton Wanderers football club has had to pick up such a mess.
posted on 10/12/12
I think we're still on for 100 points.
posted on 10/12/12
I think we're still on for 100 points.
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be nice CC!
TRR, just a couple of observations, based on points raised in your article.
Firstly, I believe we get a full allocation of parachute money for two seasons.
Also, I believe Gartside will still want 2 points per game/promotion, but the difference is that Dougie has a period of grace as a new manager taking over someone else's mess/squad/league position. Rome wasn't built in a day. It would be unreasonable to expect a y new manager to come in and turn a side that was averaging just over one point per game to immediately start averaging two.
So for me the solid expectation from Freedman is a big improvement over the medium term with a play off place at the top end of expectations from the board.
posted on 10/12/12
target is finished 6th.i still think we can do it especially after seeing watford and millwall pop up there after being below us.to to this we have to start converting these draws into wins.somewhere along the line a run of wins needs to be put together.here we have 4 games coming up 3 home 1 away all teams below us.should be 12 points.however we have played this game before and due to the players current lack of mental strength and inability to win 2 games back to back i predict 1 win,2 draws and 1 defeat and go into new year still where we are.i hope df is able to wheel and deal effectively in jan to get the 2/3 defenders and genuine goalscorer we need.however we may have to sell mavies as i cannot see any interest in clubs taking the likes of pratley,ream,sordell,ngog,wylde,alonso off our hands.
posted on 10/12/12
I seem to recall that Freedman or Gartside said after Freedman was appointed, that there was no pressure being put on him (Freedman).
Personally I don't think promotion by any means is possible this season. Freedman has to have time and although some of us are disappointed with certain results since his arrival it really shows what a mess the club had become under Owen.
Poor purchases of playing staff, if reports are to be believed, dreadful training sessions, poor tactics, lack of information on opponents before games and possibly players lacking faith in the manager. I don't believe DF has a chance of getting us promoted, all we can hope for is that he has everything in place for a real shot at promotion next season.
For me. I am writing this season off and waiting for 2013-2014.
posted on 10/12/12
So, were we always going to get 2 years of parachute payments?
Like I said, I appreciate that DF is a new manager and needs a period of time, but I still think that it's wrong to be suggesting that draws and poor performances under him are better than they were under Coyle.
For me, so far, not much has changed. We need wins and until we start winning at least 2 games back to back, I won't be satisfied.
posted on 10/12/12
Revised targets....?
A few clean sheets would be a good start.
Then we'll take it from there.
posted on 10/12/12
I think we have to look at this holistically.
The main issue now is, under coyle we had bad tactics etc, and bad preparation as SWIE has acknowledged, however to compound that issue is very bad signings. This is something DF has currently no control over.
I deny that things arent currently better, for me they are. Maybe the results having dropped in place just yet, but we do look a more organised and purposeful team. Theres time yet for the season to turn round and up to now i have heard the right things from dougie and seen improvements on the field.
i dont write this season off, i still think we can make playoffs, but dougie needs to address the late goals we are conceding. Which he has at least acknowledged we do, unlike coyle, who said ascendancy, named a random number of minutes, and mentioned barclays a few times
posted on 10/12/12
I still think if after two windows nothing has changed then questions can be asked. DF can't do anything but play a 36 year old up front. He obviously doesn't trust Ngog to get goals. Afobe is not ours or good enough and Sordell is too busy on twitter. This means Eagles and Mavies have become our goal threats.
We can't defend because Mills, Knight, Ream, Mears and Alonso are not good enough.
Bogdan has no serious competition.
Midfield is our strongest position but has no depth. There a lot of wingers and few decent central players to play three in middle.
I think DF has done ok with what he has for now. He has to get rid of this dross that Coyle signed and start again. Problem is he has no money to do it.
posted on 10/12/12
DF is in a no-lose situation for the moment. When we win, it is down to his tactics and management. When we lose or concede late to draw, it is OC's dross to blame.
This of course always happens. Blackburn are in the same position. Still blaming Kean for everything bad.
So, it really comes down to how long everyone takes to realise we have a new manager and how long he needs to make it his team.
posted on 10/12/12
As much as Coyle cited the issues he inherited for quite some time I expect DF to do the same until such that there comes a point were what's left from Coyle is minimal and that problems if there are any are quite clearly were created from one source.
posted on 10/12/12
That's nonsense Petrov. Coyle never cited issues he inherited, because his first 16 months were so successful. A fact many people choose to forget.
The only time he cited issues were the injuried and poor refereeing. Coyle never once mentioned Megson.
posted on 10/12/12
How was Coyle so successful.? 16 months some blagg that,You have to admire him ,pulling the wool for 16 months ,
posted on 10/12/12
Goldenwyn - he joined in Jan. 16 months later we were 7th in prem and in FA Cup semi. All the fans were loving him, and rivals were praising him. The following 18 months was where it all went wrong. Seems you are one of those that have forgotten the first 16 months of his 34 month reign!!!!
posted on 10/12/12
Sadly those stats suggest Coyle built a bad squad and released better players...?!
Daniel Sturridge was a borrow and assisted in us staying up in the cup season.....
posted on 10/12/12
MT - we stayed up the season before the cup one.
posted on 10/12/12
That's nonsense Petrov. Coyle never cited issues he inherited, because his first 16 months were so successful. A fact many people choose to forget.
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Of course he did. Any chance he had to talk about moving players on etc. What's hilarious is your defence of him. In his magical 16 months did you quote the 14th place finish which he managed when he took us over the previous season in the bottom three or the embarrassing 5-0 he subjected us to at Wembley. I know you think he should never have been sacked but there is no point telling people to move on as we have a new manager yet defend the useless one yourself.
posted on 10/12/12
did you quote the 14th place finish which he managed when he took us over the same as the previous season when we were in the bottom three
Sorry kids distracting
posted on 10/12/12
All your stats prove is what Megson left Coyle was better than what Coyle left DF.
But then many could have told you that 12 months ago. It's not new it just took you longer to come terms with it.
posted on 10/12/12
"MT - we stayed up the season before the cup one."
I know fella... With another managers squad and some loans..
My point was his loan signing of Sturridge went someway to keeping us up that season with his goals...
posted on 10/12/12
MT - wrong season. Sturridge was in the cup season. Wilshire was in the season he took over and kept us up.
Petrov - the 14th finish and the semi final defeat came in month 17. I have included that in the 18 months that everything went pear-shaped.
It really is simple maths.
posted on 10/12/12
I think the point CEF was making was that Coyle never blamed defeats on Megson as he never really had to defend himself those first 16 months. Everyone was fully behind him as they were just glad to see the back of Megson and Coyle had an existing relationship with the fans. Nobody had very high expectations, survival was enough.
He made excuses later on but even then there was something in it, injuries didn't help him for instance. Its just that he also didn't acknowledge his share of the blame.
posted on 10/12/12
Mate I know all this!!!
Wilshere Wiess etc first season... I know..
I'm saying, that you mentioned some months after he joined we were 8th.. I'm saying, we then sunk like a stone and could have gone down if not for Sturridge...
Coyle keep us up 2 seasons with loans, and gradually replaced the full time players with poorer ones....
I'm saying his transfer policy was poor and we were sold on 'Young Quality' with 'Resale Value'
2 words.. Marcus Alonso.
posted on 10/12/12
Joe McKee!!!!
Not good enough for Burnley, so Coyle bought him...
Anyone have a clue what's happened to this lad?!?
posted on 10/12/12
Joe McKee's just a youth player who was a free agent, he's probably on about 5K a week, who cares.
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