How would it be dealt with though? It's the consistency that becomes the problem. Most corners you can guarantee should lead to a penalty. Someone is pulling someones shirt at one point or the other. The one I find the funniest is, if a outfield player obstructs another outfield player it's a foul, yet when you obstruct the goalkeeper, it's okay
It's one of those scenarios that can never be dealt with properly, just like diving.
It needs a ref to have the bottle to give a penalty then,surely, it may make the players think twice
The majority of shirt-pulling occurs before corners and free kicks are taken, therefore a penalty cannot be awarded. What the referees need to do is to book players - and when they do it again, send them off.
It would take 2 weeks of referee-co=ordination and there would be mayhem, with games ending 8-a-side (or matches involving Stoke or Leeds being abandoned because they have less than 7 players left on the pitch), but that will be the end of it - no more shirt-pulling (or at least a drastic reduction).
Will it happen?
Not a prayer.
The majority of shirt-pulling occurs before corners and free kicks are taken, therefore a penalty cannot be awarded
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OOE. Why can't a penalty be awarded, the game is 'in play'? By the same token if the ball goes out for a throw in and a player punches his opponent surely he will be sent off. Or have I misunderstood you?
I said 'the majority of shirt-pulling occures BEFORE corners and free kicks...', Baz.
The ball isn't in play until the referee blows his whistle and the ball is kicked. He can caution players or send them off for incidents when the ball is out of play, but he cannot upgrade a throw-in to a free kick or upgrade a corner or free kick to a penalty.
Watch next time. The players pull, push and tug to gain an advantage or to gain a bit of space - then as soon as the corner or free kick is taken, they more often than that let go.
On the other hand, I totally agree that if the ball is in play, then it should be a penalty (and sending off if it prevents a goal-scoring opportunity) or a free kick to the defence (and a caution).
The problem is when it's 'six of one and half a dozen of the other' and the ball is in play in the penalty area. What does the referee do then? My first thought was 'give a bounce-up' but that offers a huge opportunity to the attacking side and the sly ones (like Diouf) would try to engineer such a set of circumstances..
The referee does actually blow up quite often in these situations however the reason it goes unnoticed so much is it is always given as a free kick to the defending team and never a penalty to the attackers.
Ooe, i agree a couple of weeks of ref co-operation would probably sort it out,but like you say it's not going to happen.ii
I'd like to table a motion for a law that states:
"Every time a player commits and infringement in the box, everyone punches John Terry".
Well, I can dream.......
I'll second that motion Moj.
Anyway, all shirts should be fitted with sensors that alert the ref when a certain force in exceeded. The ref will have a personal device that tells him which shirt was pulled so he can then give the free kick or penno. The technology is there, it's about time they used it.
I've thought for a long time now that with all the money shirt manufacturers make, they ought to be able to develop a fabric that would tear easily when pulled strongly.
Try denying you were holding someone back when part of his shirt is in your hand!
Old sayings and folklore just work on so many levels...
Red sky at night, punch John Terry.
Many hands punch John Terry.
A stitch in time? Punch John Terry.
If you wash on New Year's Day, punch John Terry.
Sitting behind the goal every match as I do, I get a very clear view of what's going on during the run-up to a corner or a freekick. There could be a fourth official behind each goal to minitor and note these offences. He would communicate names and/or shirt numbers to the ref who would then award a yellow card.
The practise would stop inside 2 weeks.
Gareth Bale dives to prevent injury. According to AVB.
Ramdini i like the idea,as lo ng as they pro-active,not like those idiots they have behind the goaline in european matches !
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posted on 17/12/12
How would it be dealt with though? It's the consistency that becomes the problem. Most corners you can guarantee should lead to a penalty. Someone is pulling someones shirt at one point or the other. The one I find the funniest is, if a outfield player obstructs another outfield player it's a foul, yet when you obstruct the goalkeeper, it's okay
It's one of those scenarios that can never be dealt with properly, just like diving.
posted on 17/12/12
It needs a ref to have the bottle to give a penalty then,surely, it may make the players think twice
posted on 17/12/12
The majority of shirt-pulling occurs before corners and free kicks are taken, therefore a penalty cannot be awarded. What the referees need to do is to book players - and when they do it again, send them off.
It would take 2 weeks of referee-co=ordination and there would be mayhem, with games ending 8-a-side (or matches involving Stoke or Leeds being abandoned because they have less than 7 players left on the pitch), but that will be the end of it - no more shirt-pulling (or at least a drastic reduction).
Will it happen?
Not a prayer.
posted on 17/12/12
The majority of shirt-pulling occurs before corners and free kicks are taken, therefore a penalty cannot be awarded
-------------------------------
OOE. Why can't a penalty be awarded, the game is 'in play'? By the same token if the ball goes out for a throw in and a player punches his opponent surely he will be sent off. Or have I misunderstood you?
posted on 17/12/12
I said 'the majority of shirt-pulling occures BEFORE corners and free kicks...', Baz.
The ball isn't in play until the referee blows his whistle and the ball is kicked. He can caution players or send them off for incidents when the ball is out of play, but he cannot upgrade a throw-in to a free kick or upgrade a corner or free kick to a penalty.
Watch next time. The players pull, push and tug to gain an advantage or to gain a bit of space - then as soon as the corner or free kick is taken, they more often than that let go.
On the other hand, I totally agree that if the ball is in play, then it should be a penalty (and sending off if it prevents a goal-scoring opportunity) or a free kick to the defence (and a caution).
The problem is when it's 'six of one and half a dozen of the other' and the ball is in play in the penalty area. What does the referee do then? My first thought was 'give a bounce-up' but that offers a huge opportunity to the attacking side and the sly ones (like Diouf) would try to engineer such a set of circumstances..
posted on 17/12/12
The referee does actually blow up quite often in these situations however the reason it goes unnoticed so much is it is always given as a free kick to the defending team and never a penalty to the attackers.
posted on 17/12/12
Ooe, i agree a couple of weeks of ref co-operation would probably sort it out,but like you say it's not going to happen.ii
posted on 18/12/12
I'd like to table a motion for a law that states:
"Every time a player commits and infringement in the box, everyone punches John Terry".
Well, I can dream.......
posted on 18/12/12
I'll second that motion Moj.
Anyway, all shirts should be fitted with sensors that alert the ref when a certain force in exceeded. The ref will have a personal device that tells him which shirt was pulled so he can then give the free kick or penno. The technology is there, it's about time they used it.
posted on 18/12/12
I've thought for a long time now that with all the money shirt manufacturers make, they ought to be able to develop a fabric that would tear easily when pulled strongly.
Try denying you were holding someone back when part of his shirt is in your hand!
posted on 18/12/12
Old sayings and folklore just work on so many levels...
Red sky at night, punch John Terry.
Many hands punch John Terry.
A stitch in time? Punch John Terry.
If you wash on New Year's Day, punch John Terry.
posted on 19/12/12
Sitting behind the goal every match as I do, I get a very clear view of what's going on during the run-up to a corner or a freekick. There could be a fourth official behind each goal to minitor and note these offences. He would communicate names and/or shirt numbers to the ref who would then award a yellow card.
The practise would stop inside 2 weeks.
posted on 19/12/12
Gareth Bale dives to prevent injury. According to AVB.
posted on 19/12/12
Ramdini i like the idea,as lo ng as they pro-active,not like those idiots they have behind the goaline in european matches !
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