Lads - the question is not about the sacking...


Should he be talking about Spurs or not?

If not, why not?

If so, why?

from what i could see 'Arry was a manager who seemed to collapse once any real pressure was on him. talk about your post Xmas collapse last season but in 10/11 it was exactly the same! once the rpessure was turned up and you were being touted as title challengers he lost it

i think his limitations as a manager are evident-he can do the basics extremely well, which is what you needed when he took over, but he lacked the bottle or tactical nous to take you any further. when it ultiately mattered 'Arry failed spectaculry-FA Cup semi, CL semi against Real

"Should he be talking about Spurs or not?"

Yes.
Because he obviously needs to get it out of his system.
Once he has done that, he move on. <cathartic>

Whilst Harry could of been backed in January he had not commited his future. I thank Daniel Levy for doing the smart thing and allowing Harry to fill the gaps but with short term deals.

Imagine if Harry would of got another Bentley or Gallas on huge money with no re-sell value. Nelsen and Saha did their job and left no problem there.

However in ten years time we will look back with a team consisting of Modric, Bale, VDV, the best centre back i will ever see Ledley King, Sandro, Lennon.

We will look back and we won nothing. With the teams Harry had we should of been competing for the league and certainly won an fa cup or league cup.

Harry took us from 5th (our average postion) to 4th. Both times Liverpool and Chelsea had over things to occupy them so understandly dropped out of the top 4.

The only things i could thank Harry for is the style of football and for having the bottle to beat Liverpool away, arsenal away, Chelsea at Home,etc.

"from what i could see 'Arry was a manager who seemed to collapse once any real pressure was on him. talk about your post Xmas collapse last season but in 10/11 it was exactly the same!"

That is something discussed/suggested.
Now he perhaps could have done a 2009/10 this season. But he could have also made it three in a row. No doubt Levy considered this.

achieve the 69 pts we got (our 2nd best epl total) then there would be less grounds to be disappointed in 4th and missing CL. The fact that for a 2nd season on the bounce we went into free fall for +12 games simply add fuel to the fire that Harry could not maintain standards through a whole season.

Together with his motor mouth and his shortsightedness in the transfer window i think Levy had the belief that another would be better in the long term.

If you look at his time at pompey it was the same..

i think his limitations as a manager are evident-he can do the basics extremely well, which is what you needed when he took over, but he lacked the bottle or tactical nous to take you any further. when it ultiately mattered 'Arry failed spectaculry-FA Cup semi, CL semi against Real

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the real madrid game i put down mostly to peter crouch being a jumped up tool.

wtf his problem was i have no idea. sliding around on his backside like a madman. have never seen him to go ground either before or since.

harry messed it up at the start though by instead of bringing jenas on in right wing for lennon who dropped out late, and just moving one position, he moved jenas to centre, and moved someone out right (cant remember who), thus causing much more disruption to the midfield. we looked predictably disjointed and then when crouchy started his bollox then that was that.

"but i'm still not impressed, or see the professional logic, for that sacking."

I see the "professional logic" . So do others.
In fact, in all the thought scenarios I went thru on the sacking, only for one did Levy come out as an irrational utter .

He put Bale on the right and Modric on the left

comment by HRH Ledley, King of the Lane (U15236)
posted 27 seconds ago
He put Bale on the right and Modric on the left

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was it that?

i remember at the time thinking why hasnt harry just shoved jenas on in right mid.. just do a job.. he has played there before.. but he moved the whole thing around.. ridiculous management for a game v real madrid...

He put Bale on the right and Modric on the left

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I dont see the massive problem with this. Modric was always better coming in from the left, and Bale should cause problems regardless of whichever flank he plays on,

I've seen far worse tactical decisions than this.

Chronic, surely that just backs up my point though about a manager who buckles under pressure!

it wasn't even the only big game you utterly choked under him-you only have to look at last year's FA Cup semi, at your collapse against Arsenal

i actually argued you were right to get rid of him as he wouldn't have been able to have taken you any further

The big fall out came over Harry's next company car. Harry wanted windows, Levy said no and that was that....

comment by Chicken ©™ (U1043)
posted 3 minutes ago
He put Bale on the right and Modric on the left

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I dont see the massive problem with this. Modric was always better coming in from the left, and Bale should cause problems regardless of whichever flank he plays on,

I've seen far worse tactical decisions than this.

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chicken.

you think modric was better for spurs when he was on the left than when he was in the centre?



surely not.

chicken, also.. clearly all week in training they had practised modric in the middle, bale on the left, lennon on right.

so lennon drops out so you can replace him, and keep the others in the positions you have worked on in training, or you can mess the whole thing about 10 mins before training.

shape - out the window.

training- out the window

chance - out the window

and we got walloped 4-0

comment by Chicken ©™ (U1043)
posted 2 minutes ago
He put Bale on the right and Modric on the left

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I dont see the massive problem with this. Modric was always better coming in from the left, and Bale should cause problems regardless of whichever flank he plays on,

I've seen far worse tactical decisions than this.

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Come on mate.....it left us well narrow, and that's theist thing you want against a team with such explosive players who can exploit it.

Bale in his best position LM
Modric and Sandro in their best positions CM
Jenas at RM

Solid shape, pace and discipline wide, minimum disruption

HR was and is a short term kinda guy. Looks after no.1. Not really interested in nurturing youth. Wants results and wants them now. This is evident from all his transfer dealings and his team selection. Does not experiment. Sticks with what he knows.

Levy is putting into place a long term plan based on youth, our new academy. Wanting a philosophy to run through all levels of the club. Building for a sustainable future.

These are things that Harry cares little about. Indeed it is suggested that he was overlooked for the Eng job for the same reasons, theFA wanting someone at the new HQ to be involved at all levels as Eng look to build for a new future.

Devonshire :

I have no doubt Arry would still be at Spurs had got CL.
What new terms he got offered by Levy is another story.

I also note (getting back on-topic) that in post-match interviews AVB is often talking in terms of getting a CL place, not a specific PL table position.

I think what sealed Harry's fate was when we needed to beat Villa and he sent Parker on instead of Defoe

crickey...yes harry was all bout the here and now....but do you want nice guy woy in charge of englands future playing methods/style......

Chronic,

you think modric was better for spurs when he was on the left than when he was in the centre?

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I'm not really saying that, i'm just claiming that its not the worst tactical decision i've seen.

Modric can play from the left & Bale should be able to make his mark down the right.

Maybe Harry wanted to exploit their LB, i dont know. I'm just saying its a bit picky to mock a manager, and blame a loss, on this one thing.

Bale to left wing? What was Harry thinking? Everyone knows Bale is a left back.

"I think what sealed Harry's fate was when we needed to beat Villa and he sent Parker on instead of Defoe"

IMHO the damage was done before then.
But given the G00ns had slipped up that weekend and offered another opportunity, it just seemed to epitomise the slump.

"I think what sealed Harry's fate was when we needed to beat Villa and he sent Parker on instead of Defoe"

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STUNNED,just stunned wen that happened.....'arry bottled it...and was trying too make sure we didn't get beat....silly,silly mistake/decision.

We were down to 10 men FFS!!

AVB put Parker on for Lennon against Sunderland when we were on top, at full strength, and everyone saw it as a tactical masterstroke.

Harry does it to secure a point, which could have been a vital point had Chelsea not won the CL, and you're claiming its a blunder.

Stunned, you say?

comment by Chicken ©™ (U1043)

posted 3 minutes ago

We were down to 10 men FFS!!
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Yes we were, but despite that, we were absolutely camped in the Villa half, in the second half, and needed a striker to come on and nick a goal.

A draw wouldn't have been much different to a loss, it was a win we needed.