Ngog has more pace, makes more intelligent runs off the ball, a better passer, is more creative, has a better first touch, a better finish, is better at dribbling and has a better name

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Kevin Davies in his prime would have been signed by a Premier League club by now. So why has a much better player like Ngog still here. Why has Redknapp paid £8m for an untested Frenchman or Newcastle who are short of strikers not hammering our door down?
You could take Ngog from us for probably £6m plus.

You need strikers who offer different styles and Davies & N'Gog do this. Sordell's time will come very soon and Davies will be phased out for him.

You are correct about the better name by the way. Apostrophes within names is the way forward.

Kevin Davies in his prime would have been signed by a Premier League club by now. So why has a much better player like Ngog still here. Why has Redknapp paid £8m for an untested Frenchman or Newcastle who are short of strikers not hammering our door down?
You could take Ngog from us for probably £6m plus.
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Fine, but Davies isn't in his prime, he's past it. Ngogs is still to come.

Ngog has more pace, makes more intelligent runs off the ball, a better passer, is more creative, has a better first touch, a better finish, is better at dribbling and has a better name.

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But bar pace what has any of the others to do with age?

I would not be surprised to see Cravies and Sordell not Ngog. He is too injury prone and not clinical.

But bar pace what has any of the others to do with age?
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I didn't say they had anything to do with age. Just that Ngog was superior in all of them.

I didn't say they had anything to do with age. Just that Ngog was superior in all of them.

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In your opinion.

However on the "better finisher" point I and the goals table would beg to differ.

However on the "better finisher" point I and the goals table would beg to differ.
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That's a very narrow view of things. Surely the % of chances converted gives a better indication of the better finisher. There's lots of factors which could affect the number of goals a player scores in a season.

The best striker in the league scores the most goals. You can't compare chances unless you have the same players creating chances, against the same opponents, having played the same mins on the pitch and had exactly the same type of chances. Only then could you compare that. Otherwise those that score the most are the most valuable to a team.

Its a very simplistic view I'll grant you.

However football is a very simplistic game. The team which scores the most goals wins.

I'm not saying Davies is better than Ngog or visa versa.

However in the time Ngog and Davies have both been at the club the number of times I have heard/read "Ngog shoots wide" or "Ngog blazes over, he really should have scored" far outnumbers the times I have heard the same said about Davies.

far outnumbers the times I have heard the same said about Davies.
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Selective hearing. I don't think anybody has ever described Davies as a clinical finisher. I can remember many, many chances that he has squandered over the years.

Selective quoting.

I never said Davies was a "clinical finisher".

Read what I've written properly and don't deliberately try and take part of what I have written out of context.

What I said was that I've heard and read comments about N'gog squandering chances more often in the time he has been with us than I have heard or read the same comments being made about Davies over the same time period.

Never said Davies was clinical.

Never said he hasn't squandered chances himself.

All I stated was that my opinion is that Davies has been the better finisher this season based on the fact he has more goals i.e. has "finished" more of his chances.

I couldn't give a fig about percentages of shots on target or chances taken. Goals win games, thats the bottom line.

Ok, well if you refer to the article one or two above this one. You'll see Ngog has a far better minutes per goal ratio. Suggesting he is in fact a better finisher. How'd you like them apples? (Apples here being facts)

See my response on that thread.

Mins per goal is only one indicator of a strikers ability and like any stats can be used to prove whatever you want when used in isolation.

N'gog has a better mins/goal ration. Yes thats true.

Davies has more goals (and pitch time so lower ratio) and goals win games not stats on a piece of paper.

I don't see your point. Goals win games yes. So surely the aim is to score as many goals as possible. Logically, to do so you'd select a striker whom is not only superior in most other aspects, but also has a better goal scoring ratio.
Davies has a massive one more goal I believe, despite playing a lot more football. He also has less assists. Which brings me back to my original point, that there is very little that SKD can do, that Ngog can't do better. Including, with statistical evidence, that he is a better finisher.

Its two more goals.

I think the better way to put it would be that N'gog has made better use of his time on the pitch (goals/minutes ratio) than that he is a better finisher.

And until either I find a website showing them or CEF puts up shots on target/ off target and total chances stats thats the way I'll look at it.

Ngog is a poor finisher. Davies is a slightly better finisher. It's definitely misguided to say that there's nothing Davies can do that Ngog can't do better. It's illogical. Davies is a better header of the ball. Has Ngog ever even scored with his head? Just an example of why its a bit of a straw man argument to say that one player is better at everything than another player.

If Ngog could finish he'd be a very good player as he is mobile and skilful. 3 goals in 33 appearances last seam and someone's actually suggesting he's a better finisher than someone else, not many examples of good finishes to even go off, is it really.

I know it has nothing to do with Bolton Wanderers football club but watching the red skum I understand why I dislike them. Every time I watch them they get a massive decision that favours them from the refs. It must be so frustrating for the rest of the Premier League. You might as well not bother turning up.

What decision was it this time?

The goal against West ham was offside!

Not on my TV. I'm sure they'll re-show it at half time.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The replay was this week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bugg3r!!!

your life been getting in the way!!!

I only saw it quickly but looked like off am I wrong? I will watch the half time analysis in a moment.

No, he was onside with a perfectly timed run.