You think you've got it tough eh

It hardly matters who plays up front, as the team/tactics/system don't favour attacking play.

At worst, Town can only score one less goal than they have been scoring. Fortunately it's not possible to register minus goals, otherwise the team would be in oodles of ordure.

Look at my transfer article from the other day, i did warn you this would happen IE if we get injury poblems.

How about giving Max Leonard a try he is a striker, 18 years old and would give his all !!

We could have Max Wall and it would be an improvement...

almost bound to happen..
beckford does not want to play..
vaughan came to us with more sick notes than you can shake a stick at..
alan lee is always one daft episode off getting a 3 match ban..
novak will chase everything and challenge for everything and will either burn himself out or get injured, a la yesterday...
you didnt need a crystal ball to see it coming..
I suggest pumping everything we can into the cardiff box and hope they score at least one own goal..which might get us a draw..

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loui..
people will tell you that its his money to do what he wants with it..???

not me, after 40 odd years of watching town its quite a lot of my money, pro rata....

no point in us getting promotion if we are going to just let it go in the first season..wembley will have been pointless and we may have fared better by not getting up..

I really cant see that spending a decent amount now on loans etc could cost more than relegation..

It'll defo be the loan market again...

I think the defeat/performance at Derby has shocked everyone...we thought Lillis had 'cracked it', but he hasn't..far from it...it's more of what we had before.

The players have to take the blame 100% now...in which case, what good will a new manager do for us unless we bring in fresh blood.

If we drop into the bottom three, I can't see us ever getting out of it...we don't seem to have any fight in us...confidence is brittle...no one can find the solution...

Doomed I say...but at least prices might go down when we're back in League One...and I kind of miss Oldham and Yeovil...

Are people still calling Vaughan sick note?

Novak looks to be out for a decent stretch, as does Beckford. That leaves us with Vaughan as our only out and out striker for the next couple of weeks until the loan window opens, with Scannell and Lee making up numbers, but also with Duane Holmes and Max Leonard itching to be given a chance. Novak offers nothing anyway so it's not like we're going to be missing one of our best players. Then again, who are our BEST players at the minute?

I don't remember Town getting £8m up front for Rhodes. With a £5.7m hole in the accounts too to deal with there is no £8m

Hoyle confirmed the other week before the Watford match that the £8m is actually £2m a year, and that £2m a year could potentially see us in the black for the next 4 years if we keep our books in order and don't overspend.

That will also depend what division we are in!

They will be a bigger hole 5m if we go down pal .

simple truth is that hoyle allowed the geordie f-ckwit to spend far too much money to come up short ....
but that does not alter the fact that hoyle is trying to run the club as a break even or even to be continually in the black..
Im not sure anyone who has ever won anything in football has managed that.. there will be periods where you lose money, but if he wants first division football again just to save us overspending then he can sit in the 24,000 seats along with 6/7 thousand others(if he is very lucky and virtually gives the tickets away)...
Its not his money, its mine and yours, we have paid in for long periods, we joined the b&w foundation straight away to try and save the club etc.. when i buy 5 season tickets , in relation to my disposable cash to hoyles disposable cash its about the same... its not his money, its ours... when its free to watch then he can spend it like its his..

I agree 38 spot on , in other words your saying like I have been saying for weeks that he's trying to do things on the cheap it won't work it never has .

loui..nothing cheap about running htfc..but thats not our fault its hoyleys....
he has got to a pont where the debt has scared him and future projections obviously havent been that favourable..
rhodes goes a very long way to getting the club back to break even and he is taking that route..
Its a fine line and a gamble, although even if we go down dean now has the "security blanket" of the rhodes money coming in and at least a million quid for hunt who would be sold before towns name dissapeared off the championship table..
He certainly isnt going to allow town to cost him very much over the piece, if anything at all.. Suggest he is now definitely a businessman more than a town fan...

I agree .

Do you think hoyles already planning for lg1 ? I think he's thrown the towel in .

loui..
i think the rhodes money and the money that hoyle now knows might be offered for jack hunt was a great comfort to him when he decided to take the cheaper option of sacking grayson at the end of the transfer window.... inaction up to that point was another failure but using the "smoke and mirrors" approach of looking like he was being positive was his last "ploy/tactic" for this season..

Its fingers crossed time in the boardroom and if we can scrape enough points then the "bike ride" and surrounding publicity for dean might save any serious backlash from the supporters, who would "take survival now", although being forced into that "opinion" isnt what i had imagined at Wembley..

I also think he sacked Grayson just before the window , so that he didn't have to spend in the window .

38 Years:

‘Loui..nothing cheap about running htfc..but that’s not our fault its hoyley’s....’

As if you and most other Town fans would have agreed if he tried balancing the books in League 1. He followed the strategy everyone wanted of ‘investing’ in the club. That is one of life’s biggest misnomers as it consists of inflating the wage bill with no guarantee how the underlying asset (player) values might change. I don’t think Hoyle would argue with you that the money could have been better spent.

‘he has got to a point where the debt has scared him and future projections obviously havent been that favourable..’

The bit from the 2012 accounts which isn’t published on Town’s website is the level of Directors’ loans. He lent £6.7m in the last season which takes the total up to £18.8m. That is a scary sum whatever amount he cleared from the sale of his business.

‘rhodes goes a very long way to getting the club back to break even and he is taking that route..’

The profit from Rhodes (after the purchase price and sell on clause) may balance the books for one year bearing in mind we lost £5.7m in our promotion season. It is non recurring so if he has reached the limit of his available resources then other steps need to be taken.

‘Its a fine line and a gamble, although even if we go down dean now has the "security blanket" of the rhodes money coming in and at least a million quid for hunt who would be sold before towns name dissapeared off the championship table..’

Trading at a breakeven does nothing to repay the loans he has made to Town. Unless he sells the club on to someone who will repay them as part of the deal (as he appears to have repaid the £3m Davey put into Town) then he will not be getting that money back.

‘He certainly isnt going to allow town to cost him very much over the piece, if anything at all.. ‘

As above I think £18.8m is a lot and in my mind that trumps your 5 season tickets a year for the last 40 years (even relatively speaking – based on above average wages which your posts about your job suggest) significant though that is.

‘Suggest he is now definitely a businessman more than a town fan...’

Can’t he be both? I don’t believe he has ever offered more than to get Town into the Championship (fan) and move to be financially stable (businessman). He has achieved the first and is starting to implement the second. I would prefer that even if it meant relegation rather than risk the Portsmouth scenario of the club’s very existence threatened because it overstretched itself and didn’t have anyone to continue to fund it.

Well researched and written Berkshire (as ever) For all that though and not being a financial wiz it does beg the question of :-- Huddersfield Town Assets Position, Presumably were the club to be put up for sale to some Arabian Knights Dean could expect to recoup that 18 mill plus, what say you ? & be sure this is not a mischevious question, indeed just the opposite as here's a clear mirror of my own sentiments written by a poster Marco, most missed from this forum-

Dean Hoyle is not building a team, He's building a club.
It isn't glamorous, it isn't quick, and it isn't spectacular,
but it is necessary.

Stick with him; he's doing alright so far ~ Marco Upfront.

Creme Brulee

Assets of the club?

At the end of May there was over £1m value attributed to the development at Canalside. That is set to increase as work continues.

Apart from that there is the carrying value of the players which was just over £2m. That is obviously understated as it included Rhodes but after that? £18m? What do you think?

The only reason someone is likely to pay that sort of money would be for the football league membership golden share though that doesn't have an allocated value.

A sobering thought and set of facts then Berkshire, nevertheless given a fair wind I can sniff gold for some at Canalside which makes Marco's musings all the more pertinent - If and when Mr Hoyle does move the Football Club on you can bet your bottom dollar Canalside will remain in some way in his families hands.

More businessman than Football Club foundationist ? Time will tell.