Yes, saw that Beer. It now explains why the Aussies have been winning so much over the past 30 years - cheating.

You won't find any Englishmen guilty of such underhand and downright despicable acts of manipulating the sporting map.

Like Lance Armstrong, Ben Johnson and Hansie Cronje; our sportsmen are 'whiter than white'.

Just in case Mazi is looking-in; no it's not a racist reference.

Although, maybe we shouldnt mention drink driving, wife beating, group rape or a certain ex Albion player when we say "whiter than white"?

You'd almost think they were descended from criminals.

Wolfgang

LOL, i would hold on Cyp.........Bradley Wiggins and team skys empire will be dragged through the wringer in a few years.

You reckon cinci? Wiggo is just ahead of the system?

Thats how i see it Cyp......i think Sky have a revolutionary method which will be deemed underhand a few years from now.
All the signs are there, just like with all the other teams that implode.
Back in 09 was it.......wiggo went from track racer and 140th or so in the tour(dont even think he finished) to 3rd in a year........phenomenal in any language.

To be fair tho Cinci, 2011 was when Wiggo started using trouser clips.

lol......thats what it was

and he took the little bell and the paper basket off his tour bike so he got a bit more speed out of it.

i think that's a very unfair accusation to level at sports people to be honest cinci. i know how i would feel if out of nowhere and with no justification someone started suggesting bully was a drugs cheat because he went from a nobody at a poxy little club, to a goal scoring legend overnight.

wiggo has a few words in response right here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHmhgjL2pc&playnext=1&list=PLicrld9Wo_RI_tiimmdMuvufXNoezivtr&feature=results_video

I wonder if Lance first got tempted when someone gave him the warning:

"It will be all down hill if you take those drugs "

i blame his jewish new yourk adviser who told him drugs would lead to a viscious circle.

No offense GB, but wiggo could spend the next year preaching his innocence.......it means nothing, pick any cyclist from the last 2 decades and you will hear the same story.
I follow cycling a lot, and have read plenty to suggest there are very good reasons to be cautious about team skys closed door policy when it comes to access.......despite them telling us they would be completely transparant.

It may well be, that what they are doing would not be deemed illegal right now.........as Cyp put it, ''they are just ahead of the curve''..........time will tell, i truly hope im wrong.
I just find it odd that a nation which could barely ride a frickin' bike ten years ago is now super human........and team sky dominate a tour with riders who have been virtual nobodies in previous tours except for the Aussie no less, rogers.

We've talked about this before Cinci and all the evidence - stage times etc - point to Wiggins being clean and yet you repeat a silly smear. What's wrong with considering the evidence rather than the gossip?

Thats fine kevin.......time will tell.

AND i hope you are right.

One thing i would agree with, is that cycling is cleaner now than ever before.
It may even be that Sky's methods are pure, and they are keeping them under wraps like a secret recipe.
But either way, they are doing something other teams are not.

so basically cinci we should just assume all sportsmen and women take drugs and are cheats? fair enough, each to their own but i prefer a less cynical view on life and the adage innocent until proven guilty.

ha, thats not what im saying at all.

I was responding to Cyps slightly tongue in cheek verse about brits being whiter than white.

After watching the poorest tour de france in living memory i wish they would legalise drugs to be honest.

I think maybe team sky are replicating what the British cycling team have been doing for a few years now. That is in part having world class coaches and absolutely incrdible attention to detail in their preperations. After all Sir Chris Hoy has been winning Golds for years with Dave Brailsford the Sky head coach but nobody says he is a possible drugs cheat. I don't think Bradley Wiggins is on anything as he loves the history of the TDF and has a lot of respect for the race. Also cyclists are starting to realise that samples can be stored for future testing. Hopefully this whole Armstrong affair could be a watershed because if sponsors no longer want to be seen in partnership with the cheats the teams wwill have to do something about it. Drug cheats will still get caught year after year but maybe we have seen the end of the attitude wher a big chunk of the peleton is juicing. I agree with you cinci it was a pretty average tour this year, whereas the Vuelta was one of the best in many a year with 2 drugs cheats in the top 3 I think.

It may well be a simple case of all this attention to detail, lets hope so.
I would say that Hoys discipline is very different to the endurance of a 3 week tour though.

youre bonkers Cinci. Usually I can agree with you but this time you is way off piste pal

I agree wholeheartedly with drugs

especially if I can take some tomorrow to blur my view of the match