King Billy's back and the sheep do not like it one bit.
King Billy is back because no other club would touch him...apart from the under fan pressure Fawaz bloke. You couldnt make it up...
I will give you an honest appraisal of Billy Davies. When he first came to Derby he made some good signings, Howard and Jones especially improved the team and organised the defence. The results improved even though the football played was at times less than entertaining. By the time of the January window we were top of the league and on an unbeaten run. Given money he signed additional players for our push to the Premiership. These included such stars as Teale! Towards the end of the season we had the easiest run in but by then had been "found out". Our defence was no longer inpenetrable even by striggling clubs like Hull and Leicester. We were fortunate to make it through the play offs and only the naivety of Tony Mowbray allowed us to win at Wembley with a sucker punch goal.
This is where the love affair between the fans and the manager ended. I was as amazed as everyone else by Billy Davies's post match interview. He was less than ecstatic unlike the fans and instead just spoke about his contract, nothing about the team, the club or the fans.
His signings for us the following season included £3M for Clod, £3M for Kenny Misser even more for Earnshaw who hardly kicked a ball all season, Eddie Lewis who was a Leeds reserve. It was almost a lesson in how not to manage a football club.
His first tenure at Forest seemed to follow a similar pattern but he never achieved promotion. So I would sum up Billy Davies as a good defensive coach. An occasional eye for a player which appears to decline with time, and definitely a man out for himself rather than the team. Weren't his last signings for Forest players such as McGoldrick and Robbie Findley?
I fully expect the dogs to gather a bit of momentum now and potentially challenge for the play offs, the players they have should be good enough.. and Billy does have a knack of getting players to gel quickly and win games..
But no way would I want him in charge after promotion to the Prem..
This is the man who bought Rob Earnshaw, Claude Davis, Benny Feilhaber (remember him anyone) and of course, Kenny Misser to the club, for our premier league season.. I shudder to think how much they all cost.. not withstanding the crazy wages that they were all on..
Billy Davies was a huge part of that disastrous season in the prem...
Clough is unproven at Premier league level.. but then he was unproven at championship level when we appointed him.. and I think he's shown he can manage at this level now, so I'd take my chances with him over Davies every time..
Spartacus......
The best appraisal of billy by a derby fan, by a fair distance!!!!!!
Yes he has got flaws.
But his self belief & passion - if channelled correctly & focused on the right thing (ie the club). Is a very potent mix.
IF (BIG IF) - he gets the backing (and let's face it, after the amount of noise created following the January saga - fawaz MUST get some blôody good signings sorted on loan soon) - I think billy Davies was/is/will be one of the best managers forest have ever had.
It was all sooooooo close last time.
If ND / MA hadn't had their bust ups with billy & had actually backed him - when we were on the verge of going up automatically, who knows where we'd be now!
I'm just really excited by it all.
The football we played under billy last time was some of the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years following the reds.
Basically - if he gets the right financial backing - we have now got the best opportunity to go up..... Since the last time billy was here!!!
As a neutral, I'd say Davies is the best appointment Forest could - and should - have made.
They'll challenge for promotion now.
TM20 - we're interested in why they didn't appoint him in the summer if he's so good.
You may be right about them challenging for promotion - but if he gets them to the playoffs then there is a 4 in 5 chanch that he will fail hirariously.
Then the only thing you will hear from Davies is the usual thump of toys being thrown out of the pram as he engineers his own exit and payoff - and the only thing you will hear from the dogs' fans is the sharpening of pitchforks, the crackling of firebrands and the dravving of ropes as they prepare for a good home-town chairman-lynching.
Both manager and fans have previous - only they collectively have memories like a shoal of goldfish so can't remember what they did last time.
* man, my fingers and brain are too fat to type.
Make your own mind up what I meant in the above post.
Spartacus has said all that needs saying. But you only have to smell the stink surrounding Farwaz's treatment of SOD and then McLeish and then employing the unemployable. If there's any justice the chickens will come home to roost. And the absurd Billy claim that Nigel kneed him in a touchline brawl entirely the responsibility of Billy and his team.
Compare that to the calm management skills of NLN (some utterly unseeing Reds still see that epithet as an insult rather than the best of compliments) Nigel has made as many brilliant signings as Billy has terrible ones - see the list above.
I challenge any red supporter to name one good, enduring signing made by the poison dwarf.
OOE too is right. What right minded owner would wait until the transfer window has just closed before appointing a new manager?
But you only have to smell the stink surrounding Farwaz's treatment of SOD and then McLeish and then employing the unemployable.
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Perfectly put, When it all goes wrong, Billy will blame Fawaz, and Fawaz will blame the fans
Whatever happens happens. Can't do anything about it so just sit back, relax and watch the fireworks
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More coming out of the woodwork
Robin Chipperfield @sportchippers
For those suggesting we talk about Arthur, Burt, Clark, we can't at the moment for legal reasons, which is why there's no club announcement
Forest being sued?????
comment by Ramdini (U6565)
posted 41 minutes ago
OOE too is right. What right minded owner would wait until the transfer window has just closed before appointing a new manager?
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One who can't afford to buy a player?
Everything on the never-never, nothing up front, hope to get through to the promised land at the end of the season, then woo-hoo, TV money, sell the club for a fat profit, leg it.
It's a bit like Wimpy. "If you give me a hamburger today, I will gladly pay you Tuesday".
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More coming out of the woodwork
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Been here longer than you may think, Igor.
comment by Big Norm's big boot (U17326)
posted 52 seconds ago
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More coming out of the woodwork
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Been here longer than you may think, Igor.
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O Rly?
member since: 09 February 2013
Only billy could bring him back like pi$$ in a pod
comment by IGOR -♥♡DCFC 1884♡♥ (U1993)
posted 7 minutes ago
Only billy could bring him back like pi$$ in a pod
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A yes, it must be TEG. Just checked his profile and saw that he glorifies the throwing of sheeps heads through pub windows. Only an utterly cretinous lowlife would condone such criminal activity.
Drop dead, TEG.
I have been here before under various monikers. I have been on a sabbatical from the wonder that is JA606. I am not TEG.
With all the other issues currently embedded with Forest right now that the fact the return of the dwarf does seem a little laughable.
Billy has a history of bottling under pressure and developing his own exit stratergy.
He is a solid Championship manager to a point however since the end of his Derby time and at Forest he had seemed to have been found out.
He is a defensive manager that tends to play more boring football than anything these days.
I think this will not end well just on the basis of Foests current owners.
Nigal has shown to be a far more effective manager under the circumstances and although has made some poor signings in the wider context he has brought something many Championship clubs do not have
Stability.
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posted on 9/2/13
King Billy's back and the sheep do not like it one bit.
posted on 9/2/13
King Billy is back because no other club would touch him...apart from the under fan pressure Fawaz bloke. You couldnt make it up...
posted on 9/2/13
I will give you an honest appraisal of Billy Davies. When he first came to Derby he made some good signings, Howard and Jones especially improved the team and organised the defence. The results improved even though the football played was at times less than entertaining. By the time of the January window we were top of the league and on an unbeaten run. Given money he signed additional players for our push to the Premiership. These included such stars as Teale! Towards the end of the season we had the easiest run in but by then had been "found out". Our defence was no longer inpenetrable even by striggling clubs like Hull and Leicester. We were fortunate to make it through the play offs and only the naivety of Tony Mowbray allowed us to win at Wembley with a sucker punch goal.
This is where the love affair between the fans and the manager ended. I was as amazed as everyone else by Billy Davies's post match interview. He was less than ecstatic unlike the fans and instead just spoke about his contract, nothing about the team, the club or the fans.
His signings for us the following season included £3M for Clod, £3M for Kenny Misser even more for Earnshaw who hardly kicked a ball all season, Eddie Lewis who was a Leeds reserve. It was almost a lesson in how not to manage a football club.
His first tenure at Forest seemed to follow a similar pattern but he never achieved promotion. So I would sum up Billy Davies as a good defensive coach. An occasional eye for a player which appears to decline with time, and definitely a man out for himself rather than the team. Weren't his last signings for Forest players such as McGoldrick and Robbie Findley?
posted on 9/2/13
I fully expect the dogs to gather a bit of momentum now and potentially challenge for the play offs, the players they have should be good enough.. and Billy does have a knack of getting players to gel quickly and win games..
But no way would I want him in charge after promotion to the Prem..
This is the man who bought Rob Earnshaw, Claude Davis, Benny Feilhaber (remember him anyone) and of course, Kenny Misser to the club, for our premier league season.. I shudder to think how much they all cost.. not withstanding the crazy wages that they were all on..
Billy Davies was a huge part of that disastrous season in the prem...
Clough is unproven at Premier league level.. but then he was unproven at championship level when we appointed him.. and I think he's shown he can manage at this level now, so I'd take my chances with him over Davies every time..
posted on 9/2/13
Spartacus......
The best appraisal of billy by a derby fan, by a fair distance!!!!!!
Yes he has got flaws.
But his self belief & passion - if channelled correctly & focused on the right thing (ie the club). Is a very potent mix.
IF (BIG IF) - he gets the backing (and let's face it, after the amount of noise created following the January saga - fawaz MUST get some blôody good signings sorted on loan soon) - I think billy Davies was/is/will be one of the best managers forest have ever had.
It was all sooooooo close last time.
If ND / MA hadn't had their bust ups with billy & had actually backed him - when we were on the verge of going up automatically, who knows where we'd be now!
I'm just really excited by it all.
The football we played under billy last time was some of the best I have ever seen in my 20 plus years following the reds.
Basically - if he gets the right financial backing - we have now got the best opportunity to go up..... Since the last time billy was here!!!
posted on 9/2/13
As a neutral, I'd say Davies is the best appointment Forest could - and should - have made.
They'll challenge for promotion now.
posted on 9/2/13
TM20 - we're interested in why they didn't appoint him in the summer if he's so good.
You may be right about them challenging for promotion - but if he gets them to the playoffs then there is a 4 in 5 chanch that he will fail hirariously.
Then the only thing you will hear from Davies is the usual thump of toys being thrown out of the pram as he engineers his own exit and payoff - and the only thing you will hear from the dogs' fans is the sharpening of pitchforks, the crackling of firebrands and the dravving of ropes as they prepare for a good home-town chairman-lynching.
Both manager and fans have previous - only they collectively have memories like a shoal of goldfish so can't remember what they did last time.
posted on 9/2/13
* man, my fingers and brain are too fat to type.
Make your own mind up what I meant in the above post.
posted on 9/2/13
Spartacus has said all that needs saying. But you only have to smell the stink surrounding Farwaz's treatment of SOD and then McLeish and then employing the unemployable. If there's any justice the chickens will come home to roost. And the absurd Billy claim that Nigel kneed him in a touchline brawl entirely the responsibility of Billy and his team.
Compare that to the calm management skills of NLN (some utterly unseeing Reds still see that epithet as an insult rather than the best of compliments) Nigel has made as many brilliant signings as Billy has terrible ones - see the list above.
I challenge any red supporter to name one good, enduring signing made by the poison dwarf.
posted on 9/2/13
OOE too is right. What right minded owner would wait until the transfer window has just closed before appointing a new manager?
posted on 9/2/13
A blind one Ramdini
posted on 9/2/13
Forgot the
posted on 9/2/13
But you only have to smell the stink surrounding Farwaz's treatment of SOD and then McLeish and then employing the unemployable.
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Perfectly put, When it all goes wrong, Billy will blame Fawaz, and Fawaz will blame the fans
posted on 9/2/13
Whatever happens happens. Can't do anything about it so just sit back, relax and watch the fireworks
posted on 9/2/13
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More coming out of the woodwork
posted on 9/2/13
Robin Chipperfield @sportchippers
For those suggesting we talk about Arthur, Burt, Clark, we can't at the moment for legal reasons, which is why there's no club announcement
Forest being sued?????
posted on 9/2/13
comment by Ramdini (U6565)
posted 41 minutes ago
OOE too is right. What right minded owner would wait until the transfer window has just closed before appointing a new manager?
__________________________________________
One who can't afford to buy a player?
Everything on the never-never, nothing up front, hope to get through to the promised land at the end of the season, then woo-hoo, TV money, sell the club for a fat profit, leg it.
It's a bit like Wimpy. "If you give me a hamburger today, I will gladly pay you Tuesday".
posted on 9/2/13
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More coming out of the woodwork
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Been here longer than you may think, Igor.
posted on 9/2/13
Woody-Jom?
posted on 9/2/13
comment by Big Norm's big boot (U17326)
posted 52 seconds ago
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More coming out of the woodwork
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Been here longer than you may think, Igor.
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O Rly?
member since: 09 February 2013
posted on 9/2/13
The get Teg
posted on 9/2/13
Only billy could bring him back like pi$$ in a pod
posted on 9/2/13
comment by IGOR -♥♡DCFC 1884♡♥ (U1993)
posted 7 minutes ago
Only billy could bring him back like pi$$ in a pod
__________________________________________
A yes, it must be TEG. Just checked his profile and saw that he glorifies the throwing of sheeps heads through pub windows. Only an utterly cretinous lowlife would condone such criminal activity.
Drop dead, TEG.
posted on 9/2/13
I have been here before under various monikers. I have been on a sabbatical from the wonder that is JA606. I am not TEG.
posted on 9/2/13
With all the other issues currently embedded with Forest right now that the fact the return of the dwarf does seem a little laughable.
Billy has a history of bottling under pressure and developing his own exit stratergy.
He is a solid Championship manager to a point however since the end of his Derby time and at Forest he had seemed to have been found out.
He is a defensive manager that tends to play more boring football than anything these days.
I think this will not end well just on the basis of Foests current owners.
Nigal has shown to be a far more effective manager under the circumstances and although has made some poor signings in the wider context he has brought something many Championship clubs do not have
Stability.
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