I think we can get 10 wins, a few draws and keep losses to a minimum of two and I reckon we would be there or thereabouts.
I appreciate that that is tough to do, given that we have been pretty awful so far this season. I'd take it one step at a time though. It would be nice to win our next game and thus have back to back wins for the first time in ages and then build on that. I've said it before but 3 wins out of our next 5 would change the look of the table quite drastically and suddenly we will start looking up rather than down.
Whatever happens, the wins must start coming now. There is no time to waste.
In order to get anywere near 85 points ,i.m.o. Lonergan would have to be in the team,if anybody noticed the way Bogdan FLAPPED at the ball for Burnleys goal ,well i've seen better in the sunday league
I rate Bogdan but it strikes me that his confidence is shot at the minute. Can't say I blame him either the lackof protection he's got from our defence at times this season. Get Lonergan in goal and give Bogdan a break.
JAH, you are probably right but we all know it won't happen. If it does the next time I'm in Bolton, which should be sometime towards the end of May, I will show my arris on the Town Hall steps.
I would probably be arrested but it's not going to happen.
We have NO chance of making the playoffs, ZERO.
We aren't good enough and it doesn't matter who the manager is or what system he plays we won't be there or anywhere near come season's end.
We could be down at this level for a while and until we sort out the finances we won't be able to invest in the squad the way a true push for the prem would require.
I think it's gonna be at least three years, maybe even five before we can even think about prem football again.
I know how negative it sounds but in the long run that might even work out for us for the best. We need to get the finances in order first then we can think about pushing up. It's a harsh thing to say but with our fan base and debt level we simply don't have the resources to mount a serious challenge.
LLP I have to disaggree with you completely and this is a first. Our finances aren't going to be sorted out in this division. The debt aint going away and rises every year. We need to get back into the Prem to sort out our finances.
Yes, you may be correct that we might be down here for a while, but please don't kid yourself that we can sort out our finances while we are down here. If we can't get back to the Prem in 3-5 years we will go broke.
The solution is to get back there asap and 85 points will certainly guarantee a playoff place and maybe sneak an auto spot. Stranger things have happened.
Spot on WF.a couple of games rest and i think he would come back a better player
I can see a problem with winning 16 matches in a row, our current longest winning streak this season is 1 match.
JAH I have to agree you are right on every point.
Not often we agree eh Petrov
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There was one big issue we disagreed on buts over now.
Yeah shame really, but you know there'll be loads more to come 😉
we are now 13 points behind 6th and 3 points off the relegation zone with some difficult fixtures coming up.lets just concentrate on climbing out of the hole first,
No I see potential in Freedman. I could be wrong but he has it right in the backroom it's professional.
Hi JAH sorry it took a while to get back on this but had a hectic day yesterday and wound up having to pick up the youngest of the lPp's from school. (flu bug)
I do take your point about the prem revenue being important if not absolutely vital but the way I see the new rules we are in a catch 22. We can't spend the money on the players we need to get back there as things stand unless we get our debts down first.
Without those players we can't get back to the prem and it's vastly enhanced revenue so we have to cut our cloth accordingly. That's why I believe it could be 3 - 5 years before we're in a position to really make the push. The wage bill has to come down, the debts have to be serviced from current revenue (I know it's a big ask) and frankly the only way to do that is to buy cheap players on cheap wages or lots of loans.
It's a horrendous situation to be in but as things currently stand I don't see a realistic way of getting back to the prem this season OR next. 2014/15 might be our first real chance at it.
Teams don't need ' big money ' star players to get promotion to the Prem. In fact, most teams who go up are notable for their lack of big name players. Whenever Bolton have gone up, it's been the same.
No ..to get promotion out of this league. you have to have the RIGHT MANAGER ..someone who can mould a squad of 18-20 low profile players into a winning side. Rioch was one such manager for Bolton, and of course, so too was Big Sam. They both had the ability to take low budget squads, and drill them into very decent sides ..... and unless we find a manager who can emulate that ...we'll never see Bolton back in the Prem.
It's going to be a long wait, as I very much doubt DF is in that class. Still ..... there's always the play-offs, where luck plays a huge part in success (given that your luck only has to hold for 3 games, rather than a whole season! ) ..but even that option is out of reach until next year ...
firstof I have to be honest and say our chances of getting a hidden gem of a manager the way Bruce Rioch or Sam Allardyce were when they came to us are very small because just how many of them are really out there?
Owen Coyle got Burnley out of this league and everyone raved (myself included) about him but he wasn't up to the challenge in the top flight
....in the long run (bad cat standing on my mouse button while I typed).
LPP ...OC would likely fall in the ' lucky playoffs ' category I mentioned. As you say, when it came to season-long Prem management, he couldn't cut it Yes, gems like Rioch and BSA are a rarity ...but that's 2 gems we found - one in the 90's, and one in the 00's .... some clubs never find any! You could argue that there's 3 gems found every season ...by the clubs gettin' promoted to the Prem ...we just have to hope there's still another one out there, with our name on him ..... hopefully, in this decade!
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posted on 12/2/13
I think we can get 10 wins, a few draws and keep losses to a minimum of two and I reckon we would be there or thereabouts.
I appreciate that that is tough to do, given that we have been pretty awful so far this season. I'd take it one step at a time though. It would be nice to win our next game and thus have back to back wins for the first time in ages and then build on that. I've said it before but 3 wins out of our next 5 would change the look of the table quite drastically and suddenly we will start looking up rather than down.
Whatever happens, the wins must start coming now. There is no time to waste.
posted on 12/2/13
In order to get anywere near 85 points ,i.m.o. Lonergan would have to be in the team,if anybody noticed the way Bogdan FLAPPED at the ball for Burnleys goal ,well i've seen better in the sunday league
posted on 12/2/13
I rate Bogdan but it strikes me that his confidence is shot at the minute. Can't say I blame him either the lackof protection he's got from our defence at times this season. Get Lonergan in goal and give Bogdan a break.
posted on 12/2/13
JAH, you are probably right but we all know it won't happen. If it does the next time I'm in Bolton, which should be sometime towards the end of May, I will show my arris on the Town Hall steps.
I would probably be arrested but it's not going to happen.
posted on 12/2/13
We have NO chance of making the playoffs, ZERO.
We aren't good enough and it doesn't matter who the manager is or what system he plays we won't be there or anywhere near come season's end.
We could be down at this level for a while and until we sort out the finances we won't be able to invest in the squad the way a true push for the prem would require.
I think it's gonna be at least three years, maybe even five before we can even think about prem football again.
I know how negative it sounds but in the long run that might even work out for us for the best. We need to get the finances in order first then we can think about pushing up. It's a harsh thing to say but with our fan base and debt level we simply don't have the resources to mount a serious challenge.
posted on 12/2/13
LLP I have to disaggree with you completely and this is a first. Our finances aren't going to be sorted out in this division. The debt aint going away and rises every year. We need to get back into the Prem to sort out our finances.
Yes, you may be correct that we might be down here for a while, but please don't kid yourself that we can sort out our finances while we are down here. If we can't get back to the Prem in 3-5 years we will go broke.
The solution is to get back there asap and 85 points will certainly guarantee a playoff place and maybe sneak an auto spot. Stranger things have happened.
posted on 12/2/13
Spot on WF.a couple of games rest and i think he would come back a better player
posted on 12/2/13
I can see a problem with winning 16 matches in a row, our current longest winning streak this season is 1 match.
posted on 12/2/13
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posted on 12/2/13
JAH I have to agree you are right on every point.
posted on 12/2/13
Not often we agree eh Petrov
posted on 12/2/13
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posted on 12/2/13
There was one big issue we disagreed on buts over now.
posted on 12/2/13
Yeah shame really, but you know there'll be loads more to come 😉
posted on 12/2/13
we are now 13 points behind 6th and 3 points off the relegation zone with some difficult fixtures coming up.lets just concentrate on climbing out of the hole first,
posted on 12/2/13
No I see potential in Freedman. I could be wrong but he has it right in the backroom it's professional.
posted on 13/2/13
Hi JAH sorry it took a while to get back on this but had a hectic day yesterday and wound up having to pick up the youngest of the lPp's from school. (flu bug)
I do take your point about the prem revenue being important if not absolutely vital but the way I see the new rules we are in a catch 22. We can't spend the money on the players we need to get back there as things stand unless we get our debts down first.
Without those players we can't get back to the prem and it's vastly enhanced revenue so we have to cut our cloth accordingly. That's why I believe it could be 3 - 5 years before we're in a position to really make the push. The wage bill has to come down, the debts have to be serviced from current revenue (I know it's a big ask) and frankly the only way to do that is to buy cheap players on cheap wages or lots of loans.
It's a horrendous situation to be in but as things currently stand I don't see a realistic way of getting back to the prem this season OR next. 2014/15 might be our first real chance at it.
posted on 13/2/13
Teams don't need ' big money ' star players to get promotion to the Prem. In fact, most teams who go up are notable for their lack of big name players. Whenever Bolton have gone up, it's been the same.
No ..to get promotion out of this league. you have to have the RIGHT MANAGER ..someone who can mould a squad of 18-20 low profile players into a winning side. Rioch was one such manager for Bolton, and of course, so too was Big Sam. They both had the ability to take low budget squads, and drill them into very decent sides ..... and unless we find a manager who can emulate that ...we'll never see Bolton back in the Prem.
It's going to be a long wait, as I very much doubt DF is in that class. Still ..... there's always the play-offs, where luck plays a huge part in success (given that your luck only has to hold for 3 games, rather than a whole season! ) ..but even that option is out of reach until next year ...
posted on 14/2/13
firstof I have to be honest and say our chances of getting a hidden gem of a manager the way Bruce Rioch or Sam Allardyce were when they came to us are very small because just how many of them are really out there?
Owen Coyle got Burnley out of this league and everyone raved (myself included) about him but he wasn't up to the challenge in the top flight
posted on 14/2/13
....in the long run (bad cat standing on my mouse button while I typed).
posted on 14/2/13
LPP ...OC would likely fall in the ' lucky playoffs ' category I mentioned. As you say, when it came to season-long Prem management, he couldn't cut it Yes, gems like Rioch and BSA are a rarity ...but that's 2 gems we found - one in the 90's, and one in the 00's .... some clubs never find any! You could argue that there's 3 gems found every season ...by the clubs gettin' promoted to the Prem ...we just have to hope there's still another one out there, with our name on him ..... hopefully, in this decade!
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