Some younger player in the James Vaughan mould would be excellent. (I mean quick and good at hold-up play rather than constantly injured.)
The strange thing is that, theoretically, Waghorn should be this type of player. But he just isn't doing it at the moment.
...a heavy weight that can hold play up but score as well!
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What's Iwan Roberts up to these days?
(apart from wearing a Welshman's hat obviously)
And how many good stikers are going to want to come here and sit on the bench waiting for Nugent or wood to get injured?
Very true, Top Fox. The trouble is the sort of top striker that we need is not available to us. Premier League sides maybe, but not Championship ones.
Peasron may bring in 1 or 2 loans but probably more for cover. They'll most likely be young inexperienced players too so I think we've got to face what we've got is what we've got and just pray
The thing is, we'd be looking to bring someone in who would be 3rd choice overall - they'd definitely get game time that they may not get at a higher club.
This should have happened 2/3 months ago when it was obvious to most fans that ,Nugent apart the rest of out strikers are not up to this league.Pearson should have sorted this before rather than persevering with Vardy.
A striker anywhere near the quality of Wood or Nugent would give us the flexibility to rotate the team without the obvious drop in quality that happens when Futacs, Vardy and Waghorn cover. They would probably get 20-30 minutes most games off the bench and would almost certainly be required as starters (to cover injury) between now and the end of the season.
They would definitely get game time so this should not be an issue. Whether we could find anyone of the right quality is another issue altogether.
my fellow fox Just_Another_FOX would agree with from his loan spell from Feyenoord last Season but i think we should sign John Guidetti from Manchester City, 6ft 1 Striker, played well last season 20 in 23 games, strong physical and a great finish, shouldnt be to expensive and would be great back up? also i heard on the rumour mill that Chris wood hand handbags with Matty James in training hence why neither played away at peterborough has anyone else heard this?
Yeah, he looks good. But, not really much point in discussing induviduals we should sign tbh. Not our choice - Nor should it be, it was only saturday evening a lot of fans were calling for futacs to be playing
Wood - It was only the other day he had a bust up with Pearson
You know what? I think handbags between players on the training ground, up and down the country happens more often than we think or are led to believe. Just like any work place
If true then I'm sure they'll put it behind them and get on with it. Anyway, we shouldn't get too drawn on rumours.
Oh come if we did not there would be nothing on the board.
"James challenge injures Wood it kicks off Wood goes off to recover in lanzabraunstone and James gets dropped for the great king Richard the vaguely good.
If only for the remainder of the season, a capture of the likes of Peter Odemwingie would be a class move. I didn't see him feature in the match at Anfield and it is obvious he wants to escape from The Hawthorns.
If you are thinking why he should want to drop a Division, then why did he turn up at Loftus Road? Nigel Pearson at least needs to make an enquiry whilst this fidgety striker is unhappy. Steve Clarke will probably rebuke him but who knows.
If you are thinking why he should want to drop a Division, then why did he turn up at Loftus Road?
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I imagine the same reason as most of QPR's players
££££££££££
Soemthing he isn't gonna get here
Peter Odemwingie tried to force a move away from his own club.
Hmmm .... he sounds like just the sort of guy that Nigel would get on really well with.
I can’t see it happening while I’ve got a hole in my backside.
^ I realise that but if this club is hell-bent on gaining promotion and if they can come to an arrangement for the remainder of the campaign then they may as well spend it as they can afford it. For the sake of some
dross coming in it will be worth it in the end.
Hellbent on promotion yes. But not at any cost. We lost our first round of russian roullette. I really dont think we can afford to lose another.
I prefer the current approch, fail this year then have another go next - like cardiff
Go for broke and fail. Well, doesn't bare thinking about. You'll see what I mean if you watch QPR over the next few yrs
As thorney says, this should have been sorted out months ago. It's been clear nearly all season that our second string strikers are just not up to it, and neither Vardy's moderately promising start nor Waghorn's brief recrudescence should have changed any minds about that.
I like the peter odemwingie idea, from my perspective i thought that he had been given the knod only for the baggies chairman to say no when he realised that he was already there. I assumed that it was a gentlemans agreement at first, but anyway that going off subject. i cant see pearson holding a grudge if someone wants out he lets them go end of.
There is no reason why we wouldnt find a player to warm our bench for 50/60 mins a match and still be able to do a job. Kevin Phillips has held that role for the last 5 years. Someone like him would be ideal. (i know we wouldnt get him)
Someone like jay bothroyd who maybe be finding games hard to come by now that theyve had a few come in at QPR.
"Go for broke and fail".
...and Nige may be heading out of here
if we 'fail' again...and I don't want to see that happen.
We have a good relationship with Man Utd.
A swap between Chicharito and Schlupp for the rest of the season??
Makes me laugh " Pearson should have sorted this months ago" ?
Not sure how much more the man has to do to earn some trust around here?
Waghorn has performed at this level before and Vardy had not previously been given a chance at this level. Yet some of us seem prepared to have written them off months ago without even giving them a run in the team. This is despite the fact that they, along with Nugent, were good enough to get us to the top of the table earlier in the season and hardly ever out of the top six.
Since the arrival of Wood I believe that both have gone backwards without a regular run in the team. If we genuinely want a crack at one of the automatic promotion positions I agree that we might be better served by a third striker that is closer to the ability of Nugent and Wood.
I would, however, say that it was absolutely the right thing to do to give players a fair crack before writing them off. That's how we've established our best starting eleven. A few people would have sold James back to Manchester United, given the chance, after his first couple of games.
Actually my post was just a long winded way of saying what True Blue just said more succinctly.
"Not sure how much more the man has to do to earn some trust around here?"
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My own answer to that is, a lot more. I don't like him and I don't trust him, and I don't expect that to change, even if he get's us promoted.
But if we are talking, as were were, about our paucity of effective strikers, what he needs to do is be less stubborn and accept, very belatedly, that he screwed up with Vardy and Futacs, that Wagorn isn't good enough for a team with pretensions to promotion. They have all three been given more than enough opportunity to prove themselves, and have between them they wasted an appalling number of chances and cost us more than a few points. Pearson needs to stop insisting otherwise and bring someone in to support Woods and Nugent. But he probably won't, because the only view he is interested in is his own. I'm always struck that whenever Stringer cautiously observes that the fans were frustrated or unhappy about this or that performance, his reply is not 'I can understand that', or 'yes, so was I', but something on the lines of 'people can think what they like, the managers' job is be smarter than that".
Malling - I hear those exact same words from Pearson, but I always have an entirely different interpretation of them. When Stringer mentions fan "complaints" to Pearson in interviews, they are almost exclusively either sweeping statements or panic. They're of this nature:
"This team isn't good enough."
"??? is useless."
"I'm not going any more if I have to watch rubbish like that."
"We're going to get relegated if we don't buy a 20-goal a season striker NOW."
When people are annoyed after a loss, Radio Leicester get calls and statements that are black and white. Pearson's demeanour is generally that the performance and the players are a shade of grey. His style is to remain stoic at most times and not just sympathise with people who are getting all emotional and will calm down in a few hours (or days). Personally, I'm usually happy with Pearson says after a match because I tend to agree with his assessments. (Meaning that he tends to say the kind of things that I'm already thinking rather than me just taking whatever he says as gospel.)
I don't agree with everything Pearson does - his insistance on playing Vardy in recent times is rather frustrating to me, particularly when I'm concerned that the resulting lack of game time for Waghorn may be affecting his form and costing us a reasonable third striker. (Although I accept he shouldn't need favouritism to make a point when he does get on.) He has screwed up buying Vardy, although most managers do at some point - O'Neill and Graham Fenton anyone? He hasn't screwed up buying Futacs because he came incredibly cheap and was worth an outside bet in case they could help him come good. Both should go in the summer but neither deserve to be publically renounced by their manager - that would be humiliating and unnecessary. Just ship them both out the door quietly at the end of the season and everyone can come to their own conclusions.
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posted on 14/2/13
Some younger player in the James Vaughan mould would be excellent. (I mean quick and good at hold-up play rather than constantly injured.)
The strange thing is that, theoretically, Waghorn should be this type of player. But he just isn't doing it at the moment.
posted on 14/2/13
...a heavy weight that can hold play up but score as well!
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What's Iwan Roberts up to these days?
(apart from wearing a Welshman's hat obviously)
posted on 14/2/13
And how many good stikers are going to want to come here and sit on the bench waiting for Nugent or wood to get injured?
posted on 14/2/13
Very true, Top Fox. The trouble is the sort of top striker that we need is not available to us. Premier League sides maybe, but not Championship ones.
posted on 14/2/13
Peasron may bring in 1 or 2 loans but probably more for cover. They'll most likely be young inexperienced players too so I think we've got to face what we've got is what we've got and just pray
posted on 14/2/13
The thing is, we'd be looking to bring someone in who would be 3rd choice overall - they'd definitely get game time that they may not get at a higher club.
posted on 14/2/13
This should have happened 2/3 months ago when it was obvious to most fans that ,Nugent apart the rest of out strikers are not up to this league.Pearson should have sorted this before rather than persevering with Vardy.
posted on 14/2/13
A striker anywhere near the quality of Wood or Nugent would give us the flexibility to rotate the team without the obvious drop in quality that happens when Futacs, Vardy and Waghorn cover. They would probably get 20-30 minutes most games off the bench and would almost certainly be required as starters (to cover injury) between now and the end of the season.
They would definitely get game time so this should not be an issue. Whether we could find anyone of the right quality is another issue altogether.
posted on 14/2/13
my fellow fox Just_Another_FOX would agree with from his loan spell from Feyenoord last Season but i think we should sign John Guidetti from Manchester City, 6ft 1 Striker, played well last season 20 in 23 games, strong physical and a great finish, shouldnt be to expensive and would be great back up? also i heard on the rumour mill that Chris wood hand handbags with Matty James in training hence why neither played away at peterborough has anyone else heard this?
posted on 14/2/13
Yeah, he looks good. But, not really much point in discussing induviduals we should sign tbh. Not our choice - Nor should it be, it was only saturday evening a lot of fans were calling for futacs to be playing
Wood - It was only the other day he had a bust up with Pearson
You know what? I think handbags between players on the training ground, up and down the country happens more often than we think or are led to believe. Just like any work place
If true then I'm sure they'll put it behind them and get on with it. Anyway, we shouldn't get too drawn on rumours.
posted on 14/2/13
Oh come if we did not there would be nothing on the board.
"James challenge injures Wood it kicks off Wood goes off to recover in lanzabraunstone and James gets dropped for the great king Richard the vaguely good.
posted on 14/2/13
If only for the remainder of the season, a capture of the likes of Peter Odemwingie would be a class move. I didn't see him feature in the match at Anfield and it is obvious he wants to escape from The Hawthorns.
If you are thinking why he should want to drop a Division, then why did he turn up at Loftus Road? Nigel Pearson at least needs to make an enquiry whilst this fidgety striker is unhappy. Steve Clarke will probably rebuke him but who knows.
posted on 14/2/13
If you are thinking why he should want to drop a Division, then why did he turn up at Loftus Road?
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I imagine the same reason as most of QPR's players
££££££££££
Soemthing he isn't gonna get here
posted on 14/2/13
Peter Odemwingie tried to force a move away from his own club.
Hmmm .... he sounds like just the sort of guy that Nigel would get on really well with.
I can’t see it happening while I’ve got a hole in my backside.
posted on 14/2/13
^ I realise that but if this club is hell-bent on gaining promotion and if they can come to an arrangement for the remainder of the campaign then they may as well spend it as they can afford it. For the sake of some
dross coming in it will be worth it in the end.
posted on 14/2/13
Hellbent on promotion yes. But not at any cost. We lost our first round of russian roullette. I really dont think we can afford to lose another.
I prefer the current approch, fail this year then have another go next - like cardiff
Go for broke and fail. Well, doesn't bare thinking about. You'll see what I mean if you watch QPR over the next few yrs
posted on 14/2/13
As thorney says, this should have been sorted out months ago. It's been clear nearly all season that our second string strikers are just not up to it, and neither Vardy's moderately promising start nor Waghorn's brief recrudescence should have changed any minds about that.
posted on 14/2/13
I like the peter odemwingie idea, from my perspective i thought that he had been given the knod only for the baggies chairman to say no when he realised that he was already there. I assumed that it was a gentlemans agreement at first, but anyway that going off subject. i cant see pearson holding a grudge if someone wants out he lets them go end of.
There is no reason why we wouldnt find a player to warm our bench for 50/60 mins a match and still be able to do a job. Kevin Phillips has held that role for the last 5 years. Someone like him would be ideal. (i know we wouldnt get him)
Someone like jay bothroyd who maybe be finding games hard to come by now that theyve had a few come in at QPR.
posted on 14/2/13
"Go for broke and fail".
...and Nige may be heading out of here
if we 'fail' again...and I don't want to see that happen.
posted on 14/2/13
We have a good relationship with Man Utd.
A swap between Chicharito and Schlupp for the rest of the season??
posted on 14/2/13
Makes me laugh " Pearson should have sorted this months ago" ?
Not sure how much more the man has to do to earn some trust around here?
posted on 14/2/13
Waghorn has performed at this level before and Vardy had not previously been given a chance at this level. Yet some of us seem prepared to have written them off months ago without even giving them a run in the team. This is despite the fact that they, along with Nugent, were good enough to get us to the top of the table earlier in the season and hardly ever out of the top six.
Since the arrival of Wood I believe that both have gone backwards without a regular run in the team. If we genuinely want a crack at one of the automatic promotion positions I agree that we might be better served by a third striker that is closer to the ability of Nugent and Wood.
I would, however, say that it was absolutely the right thing to do to give players a fair crack before writing them off. That's how we've established our best starting eleven. A few people would have sold James back to Manchester United, given the chance, after his first couple of games.
posted on 14/2/13
Actually my post was just a long winded way of saying what True Blue just said more succinctly.
posted on 14/2/13
"Not sure how much more the man has to do to earn some trust around here?"
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My own answer to that is, a lot more. I don't like him and I don't trust him, and I don't expect that to change, even if he get's us promoted.
But if we are talking, as were were, about our paucity of effective strikers, what he needs to do is be less stubborn and accept, very belatedly, that he screwed up with Vardy and Futacs, that Wagorn isn't good enough for a team with pretensions to promotion. They have all three been given more than enough opportunity to prove themselves, and have between them they wasted an appalling number of chances and cost us more than a few points. Pearson needs to stop insisting otherwise and bring someone in to support Woods and Nugent. But he probably won't, because the only view he is interested in is his own. I'm always struck that whenever Stringer cautiously observes that the fans were frustrated or unhappy about this or that performance, his reply is not 'I can understand that', or 'yes, so was I', but something on the lines of 'people can think what they like, the managers' job is be smarter than that".
posted on 15/2/13
Malling - I hear those exact same words from Pearson, but I always have an entirely different interpretation of them. When Stringer mentions fan "complaints" to Pearson in interviews, they are almost exclusively either sweeping statements or panic. They're of this nature:
"This team isn't good enough."
"??? is useless."
"I'm not going any more if I have to watch rubbish like that."
"We're going to get relegated if we don't buy a 20-goal a season striker NOW."
When people are annoyed after a loss, Radio Leicester get calls and statements that are black and white. Pearson's demeanour is generally that the performance and the players are a shade of grey. His style is to remain stoic at most times and not just sympathise with people who are getting all emotional and will calm down in a few hours (or days). Personally, I'm usually happy with Pearson says after a match because I tend to agree with his assessments. (Meaning that he tends to say the kind of things that I'm already thinking rather than me just taking whatever he says as gospel.)
I don't agree with everything Pearson does - his insistance on playing Vardy in recent times is rather frustrating to me, particularly when I'm concerned that the resulting lack of game time for Waghorn may be affecting his form and costing us a reasonable third striker. (Although I accept he shouldn't need favouritism to make a point when he does get on.) He has screwed up buying Vardy, although most managers do at some point - O'Neill and Graham Fenton anyone? He hasn't screwed up buying Futacs because he came incredibly cheap and was worth an outside bet in case they could help him come good. Both should go in the summer but neither deserve to be publically renounced by their manager - that would be humiliating and unnecessary. Just ship them both out the door quietly at the end of the season and everyone can come to their own conclusions.
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