Shall we all boycott the match and join the Hull Fans in pubs across Huddersfield??

The police win then Inter!

Jacko- details of Hull being restricted to 1500 tickets first came to light back January 19th at a supporters meeting held before the Watford game.

I think you're knocking HTSA for the sake of it here, they are fully against the restrictions and are working closely with the Hull supporters groups to try and change things. They also have a meeting set up with WYP tomorrow to try and change things around.

Wakey, Deano 'mentioning' it at a closed group of fans at Watford doesn't, for me, constitute communicating with the fans. Town have 12,000 or so fans, and 150 were told ?

As for HTSA, I agree they are getting stuck into this, now. But it is all reactive isn't it. HTSA should be more included by HTAFC, especially on issues of this sort. The fact that HTSA knew nothing of this issue, or at least chose to ignore it maybe until fans reactions, doesn't do anything for their claims to be a representative body of all the Town fans.

The police don't win, as more police will be required away from the stadium policing the pubs

They could have allowed 4,000 Hull fans and still applied travel restrictions..ie by coach only...That way they would not be able to go boozing in Town before the game as they would only arrive 30 minutes or so before kick off, then home straight after.

What happens if Hull City get to the play off final at Wembley, will the Met police restrict them ? No. Will their fans go down early and get some beers in, Yes. Will there be fighting and wholesale anarchy ? No.

Complete overkill.

Although Hull fans aren't happy with the ticket restrictions I would say they are more up in arms about the travel arrangements. I've heard a couple of phone ins on BBC radio Humberside and the main point of argument is about freedom of movement.
Football fans have to put up with limited tickets on a regular basis so this isn't anything new but to restrict the way they travel to games isn't on.
I'm not a member of HTSA and I don't want to join but I don't think you can fault them or the club on this occasion.

This afternoon, Dearn Oil met his counterpart from Hull City FC, the were joined by Robins & Bruce, along with representative supporters groups from both clubs,
They agreed on a formula where by 6000 tickets were to be allocated to the visiting club, Oil insisted that the 2000 extra Tigers fans could be seated in the 'Lower' stand behind the opposite goal to the one used for all visiting fans,
Any town fans inconvenienced in the FM lower will be offered a free transfer to another section of the ground of their choice, with a financial contribution made by Hull City as a thank you to HTFC for a favourable gesture in accommodating increased interest from the Humberside fans,

Dearn Oil also pledged support in the way of offering extra coaches to transport the traveling Tigers fans if Hull City encountered difficulties meeting the demands of the Police, who maintained a rigid stance on a Coach travel only requirement.

As was the case against Millwall for the 1st leg play-off final at the JSS, 3 local pubs are to be designated for the Tigers fans only, This arrangement worked quite well before, And the supporters groups said there would be no increased risk of so called trouble for this fixture, any more than what has happened at any other game this season.

Oil said he welcomed the proposed changes, & insisted the fans of both clubs would get along just fine, pointing out that 4000 + Leeds fans, & a Similar number from Sheffield Wednesday have already visited the JSS this season, without any problem whatso ever !

He was of the opinion that the Police should just get on with their Job....
& not get involved with 'politics' ..
This was reiterated by his Hull counterpart, & backed up by the Managers & supporter groups from both sides.



































Then the Alarm clock went off & I woke up

If you're going to fight the fire...
DON"T FEED THE FLAME

that particular weekend there are a number of previous commitments for wyp.. given the financial climate and the le-ds ruling this was bound to happen sooner rather than later..
between 12/13 thousand town supporters does not constitute a "majority" in the kirklees area that have to fund the policing bills for the area..
If this "trend" continues you will travel away and be "policed" in and just around the ground but will be on your "own" once you leave the "football policed" area.. Think about it, its a charter for the idiots.. The second point on policing football is about British Transport Police, they are now liasing with the premierleague/football league about the extra costs of providing officers on stations etc on saturdays and other occasions, they simply dont have the budget to meet these demands anymore.. Think about travelling through london and the underground on match days with much, much fewer police on duty.??
Football has no god given right to be Policed, its a massive money making machine where the money is always spent in the wrong places, the financial climate is no saying "no", thats all..
Put simply, wyp dont have the resources or the money to police our game to the "standards" required in the agreements made between them and football clubs/government... if you go away from home, open your eyes have a good look around away from the stadia, im right on this one, i speak regularly with a number of forces and its happening..

What are these other commitments?

shopping

your right..its all the fault of the police..i cant argue with well researched and factually based intellectual arguments like the above..
we love a game that attracts nutcases and idiots in their droves and has done for 40 years or so and its now the fault of the police..
ask one of those nutcases or idiots where in the country they get less chance to be a nutcase or an idiot at a football match or previous to the le-ds ruling , near a football ground and they will tell you "in yorkshire"...
I was always quite "proud" of that fact...especially when taking my lot when they were younger to the games...

38, I can accept the financial argument, and I probably agree that football should pay more towards 'policing' At the moment the clubs pay for all policing in and around the stadiums 'footprint', but a legal argument has been won as regards the costs outside the footprint. The law therefor has agreed these are Police costs, and not football costs.

Agree or disagree with that ruling as you like, but that is the decision.

So now we look at 'risk assessment' of matches..and the process gone through to ascertain the level of risk.
The Hull game was brought forward to 12:30pm from 3pm to cut down on 'drinking time', although anyone can buy a 4 pack of beer from anywhere at almost any time...but forgetting that for the moment...

How are risk assessments undertaken, because the records show that Town and Hull have the least problem fans than Leeds or the Sheffield clubs. SO it can't be history, it must be 'intelligence'. The WY Police stated they have information that a group of Hull fans are intending to come to Huddersfield , to the pubs, earlier in the day. They nullified this by moving the kick off to 12:30pm, they thought.

Now it's 5:20pm, that's a whole day boozing by these 'fans' identified through Police intelligence. I don't know how many fans are involved, but it will be more like 50 to 100, than thousands I'd guess. If the Police know who they are, why not deal with them directly ? Then they can allow the other 3,900 fans who aren't going to create a riot to travel, as they please, to the game.

If the intelligence is of sufficient reliability, then surely the individuals are known, if it's not reliable then how come such draconian measures are put in place.

It seems again that a minority are being allowed to upset the majority. some 2-3% of fans dictating the Police attitude towards the 97%.

This is clearly wrong. On that basis you might as well lock up every single Muslim in the UK, on the basis that a dozen or so will be violent extremists.

Who pays the cost of Policing rock concerts, or political marches or events like the tour de france...

Where is the consistency in the application of policing methods.

And it's not just the restriction of travelling fans, or the method of travel...it's the way the police have demanded the pricing for the game too, and that it is all ticket. these Police powers and there decisions are all based on their intelligence that a few fans will come here, get drunk and cause mayhem...

Sounds very much like an over reaction to me. just go and flush these guys out, stop them travelling and let the rest of us enjoy a normal day out at football...isn't that the simplest solution, rather than inflating this issue into what is obviously a political statement about Police funding.

Just because the Football League, and the clubs do it, there is absolutely no reason for the West Yorkshire Police to kowtow to Sky Television. The fact that these two outfits regularly put money before anything else is actually a very good reason not to.

I have quoted the views of Alex Ferguson and Arsène Wenger regarding television's hold over football, let me add one by Alan Sugar, former Chairman of Tottenham Hotspur, who said many years ago at a Premier League meeting, "Gentlemen, it doesn't matter whether the television company gives us £3m or £33m, we'll pi$$ it up the wall on wages."

He has described his time at Tottenham as "a waste of my life". Take note, Deano.

or maybe ask the majority of tax payers if they would like to pay extra or have a larger slice of the policing budget set aside for football..
they will tell you to f-ck off...quite rightly...the away support numbers all over the country will start getting cut shortly along with the police resources that can be made available..
Cant work out why nobody on here thought that might be the case??? The premier league chairmen and the league chairmen discussed it at length some months ago, maybe they might give a few quid towards it????

jacko..
football banning orders are now becoming much harder to obtain..
the police have worked for a long time on intelligence and being able to put forward cases that were "enough" to obtain them and to "infringe" on peoples right to free association and movement..
200 cases are now going before the european court re the "human rights" infringements of these individuals..
try adding all that bollox to policing a large county on a weekend with rallys on and the usual mayhem and football comes a long way down anyones priorities..
The idea that wyp and humberside should spend a load rounding up groups or individuals in the weeks leading up to games or have "every road and bus station/train station" covered to stop these people coming here or our own berks from meeting up with them is clearly ridiculous.. The plan they have is the best they can with the resources and the "law" ....
people complain about a "state police" and then harp on about stopping groups or indiduals from moving around, you cant have it both ways...

jacko..
it all boils down to finances in the end..
if the force covering the area of a game cannot cover the policing to the standards set then restrictions on the game will apply..
watch it start happening all over the place..
a bike race had its route altered the other week somewhere because the local force couldnt cover a number of junctions and the insurers for the race would not give cover for marshalls to cover those junctions.. its just the start,,,

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I can't be bothered arguing the case against the Police, what's the point, lets just roll over and have our bellies tickled just like our team.

Oh and when it comes to the tax payer, did anyone ask them if they wanted to pay for a new stadium when we built it? No I didn't think so. The last person anyone considers in these positions of finance are the ruddy tax payers.

like i said..just finances..
can see ours and hulls position but also wyp have to keep the costs down.. itll be happening all over the place soon..

In that case it's Leeds v Derby on the Monday 17:05 KO (a bank holiday) I fully expect the Derby fans to be treat the same way as our friends from Humberside.

http://www.leedsunited.com/news/20130310/watch-leeds-4-less-against-derby_2247585_3103963

Nope... They are letting them in for £15