That's pure conjecture. Guardiola left because he was drained and that rubs off on the team. Guardiola and Tito also worked very closely. Tito was reputed as the cerebral coach and tactician while Pep was the motivator and manager. Tito is almost as responsible for their style as Pep and he's well regarded and trusted by the players.
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Right so if Tito played such an integral role in how they played under Pep and he is now the manager then it is fair to say that they haven't opted for a change in style whatsoever.
And without Guariola's powers of motivation, they're not as good as they were.
wumpatrol I'm saying that the
notion that they've improved
under Tito is risible.
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It is plain, self-evident fact. Nothing remotely risible about it.
Exactly Sheriff. Pep was completely out of it last year. Lazy in his tactics, puzzling in his substitutions and generally just looked drained and it showed in the players. Tito brought in some new impetus and sorted out the tactical mess Pep had left in his last year.
I also think the odds on Juve make it a good bet. Not a favourite but the odds should be a lot shorter than that.
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The odds are long because they've got to get by Munich next. If anything I think Munichs odds are a little short.
How much do you watch Barca's games in La Liga because in your comments it is clear it isn't much. Barca dropped two points after their first round of matches and were on course for a record haul of points. Lost Tito and a few matches and suddenly everyone says he brought nothing to the team. Unbelievable!
You think Barca have improved since Guardiola left? Okay then, we'll have to agree to disagree then. In any case Madrid will still trump them in the CL imo.
Right so if Tito played such an
integral role in how they played
under Pep and he is now the
manager then it is fair to say that
they haven't opted for a change
in style whatsoever.
And without Guariola's powers
of motivation, they're not as
good as they were.
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The point isn't who is better but whether Roura or anyone can lead Barca to similar heights. In one sentence, you say they are "well-oiled" and in another, you say they can't beat Real irrespective of who's at the helm. That's quite contradictory. If Barca are so amazingly well-oiled, then they should destroy Madrid regardless of the manager.
fair point belmonty
I hadn't seen the draw
In any case Madrid will still
trump them in the CL imo.
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In that case, there's nothing "well-oiled" about Barca and they're as manager dependent as anyone out there.
Madrid got Barca at a good time and beat them. If they meet in the CL later, it won't be at a good time.
"Batmanu that is just a ridiculous comment."
In what way? In the sense that is it the truth and then renders your comment ridiculous?
I hope and would love it if Dortmund win this. But its not realistic imo.
One thing is absolute sure for me. Real Madrid won't win this competition.
The point isn't who is better but whether Roura or anyone can lead Barca to similar heights.
FFS even this sentence implies they're a well-oiled machine. With extremely similar style and tactics can either Villanova or Roura eclipse or even just emulate Guardiola's achievments.
"If Barca are so amazingly well-oiled, then they should destroy Madrid regardless of the manager."
Mourinho got under their skin whilst Guardiola was in charge. A new manager playing in a very similar manner to Guardiola is not likely to far any better imo.
When exactly is the last time Barca beat Real?
They won the 1st leg of the Super Cup in August but lost in Madrid so that doesn't really count. Last time they won a meaningful match was last season in the Bernabau but again it didn't mean match seeing as Madrid went to the Nou Camp and did them there and won the title shortly after.
I think that would be this season's super cup.
The proof is in the pudding. Obviously you guys feel that Barca are better than Real and would beat them in the CL especially with Tito back. I beg to differ so we'll just have to wait and see.
Anyway it's St Patricks Day and I'm off to get balubered. Happy trails..
didn't mean much*
The season before last they needed a Pepe red card to go through, when it was 11 vs 11 in the Copa Del Rey final, Real Madrid won with Ronaldo scoring the winner and Messi going missing
"The proof is in the pudding."
not really, this is knockout football
anything can happen on the day
Mourinho got under their skin
whilst Guardiola was in charge. A
new manager playing in a very
similar manner to Guardiola is
not likely to far any better imo.
When exactly is the last time
Barca beat Real?
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No offence but are you a Mourinho fanboy or something? It's like saying Fergie got under Mourinho's skin in the 06/07 season and no Chelsea manager can trump Fergie for that. Barca were simply pants at crunch time last season. Mourinho isn't the reason 10-man Chelsea eliminated them in the CL. Their improvement this season was massive. They did beat Madrid in the Supercopa but Valdes' clowning cost them the aggregate win. You may as well say Tito got under Mourinho's skin.
The season before last they
needed a Pepe red card to go
through, when it was 11 vs 11 in
the Copa Del Rey final, Real
Madrid won with Ronaldo
scoring the winner and Messi
going missing
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In everyone of those games, Madrid were in it because of Barca's profligacy. And Messi never went missing in the Copa final, he was the best player on the pitch and did everything but score. Ronaldo was the opposite, scoring but getting like 3 touches of the ball all game. I've told you before, Batmanu that I'm really not fooled by your anti-Barca (or new anti-Messi) facade.
Barca, Madrid, Dortmund and Bayern will qualify for the semifinals. From then on, all depends on the draw.
Madrid is Barca's cryptonite. Bayern is Madrid's nemesis. Dortmund could win against any team, but their opponent would have slightly better chances in any match-up. Barca would beat Bayern.
If Barca can avoid Madrid in the semifinals and Madrid draws Bayern or loses against Dortmund, then Barca will win it.
If Barca draws Madrid then Bayern will probably win.
If dortmund find some good efficiency in front of goal then no team can stop them really. Not many sides rip teams apart like dortmund do. Its like the ac milan of 2007 but on another level. Fast precise counter attack.
I forgot another scenario: if the semifinals draw is Bayern vs Barca and Dortmund vs Madrid then Madrid would probably win the CL.
How would madrid win the champions league. I think out of those 4 teams real madrid are the weakest. They know how to play barca probably but out of those 4 teams they still are the weakest.
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posted on 17/3/13
That's pure conjecture. Guardiola left because he was drained and that rubs off on the team. Guardiola and Tito also worked very closely. Tito was reputed as the cerebral coach and tactician while Pep was the motivator and manager. Tito is almost as responsible for their style as Pep and he's well regarded and trusted by the players.
----
Right so if Tito played such an integral role in how they played under Pep and he is now the manager then it is fair to say that they haven't opted for a change in style whatsoever.
And without Guariola's powers of motivation, they're not as good as they were.
posted on 17/3/13
wumpatrol I'm saying that the
notion that they've improved
under Tito is risible.
---------
It is plain, self-evident fact. Nothing remotely risible about it.
posted on 17/3/13
Exactly Sheriff. Pep was completely out of it last year. Lazy in his tactics, puzzling in his substitutions and generally just looked drained and it showed in the players. Tito brought in some new impetus and sorted out the tactical mess Pep had left in his last year.
posted on 17/3/13
I also think the odds on Juve make it a good bet. Not a favourite but the odds should be a lot shorter than that.
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The odds are long because they've got to get by Munich next. If anything I think Munichs odds are a little short.
posted on 17/3/13
How much do you watch Barca's games in La Liga because in your comments it is clear it isn't much. Barca dropped two points after their first round of matches and were on course for a record haul of points. Lost Tito and a few matches and suddenly everyone says he brought nothing to the team. Unbelievable!
posted on 17/3/13
You think Barca have improved since Guardiola left? Okay then, we'll have to agree to disagree then. In any case Madrid will still trump them in the CL imo.
posted on 17/3/13
Right so if Tito played such an
integral role in how they played
under Pep and he is now the
manager then it is fair to say that
they haven't opted for a change
in style whatsoever.
And without Guariola's powers
of motivation, they're not as
good as they were.
--------
The point isn't who is better but whether Roura or anyone can lead Barca to similar heights. In one sentence, you say they are "well-oiled" and in another, you say they can't beat Real irrespective of who's at the helm. That's quite contradictory. If Barca are so amazingly well-oiled, then they should destroy Madrid regardless of the manager.
posted on 17/3/13
fair point belmonty
I hadn't seen the draw
posted on 17/3/13
In any case Madrid will still
trump them in the CL imo.
---------
In that case, there's nothing "well-oiled" about Barca and they're as manager dependent as anyone out there.
posted on 17/3/13
Madrid got Barca at a good time and beat them. If they meet in the CL later, it won't be at a good time.
posted on 17/3/13
"Batmanu that is just a ridiculous comment."
In what way? In the sense that is it the truth and then renders your comment ridiculous?
posted on 17/3/13
I hope and would love it if Dortmund win this. But its not realistic imo.
One thing is absolute sure for me. Real Madrid won't win this competition.
posted on 17/3/13
The point isn't who is better but whether Roura or anyone can lead Barca to similar heights.
FFS even this sentence implies they're a well-oiled machine. With extremely similar style and tactics can either Villanova or Roura eclipse or even just emulate Guardiola's achievments.
"If Barca are so amazingly well-oiled, then they should destroy Madrid regardless of the manager."
Mourinho got under their skin whilst Guardiola was in charge. A new manager playing in a very similar manner to Guardiola is not likely to far any better imo.
When exactly is the last time Barca beat Real?
posted on 17/3/13
They won the 1st leg of the Super Cup in August but lost in Madrid so that doesn't really count. Last time they won a meaningful match was last season in the Bernabau but again it didn't mean match seeing as Madrid went to the Nou Camp and did them there and won the title shortly after.
posted on 17/3/13
I think that would be this season's super cup.
posted on 17/3/13
The proof is in the pudding. Obviously you guys feel that Barca are better than Real and would beat them in the CL especially with Tito back. I beg to differ so we'll just have to wait and see.
Anyway it's St Patricks Day and I'm off to get balubered. Happy trails..
posted on 17/3/13
didn't mean much*
The season before last they needed a Pepe red card to go through, when it was 11 vs 11 in the Copa Del Rey final, Real Madrid won with Ronaldo scoring the winner and Messi going missing
posted on 17/3/13
"The proof is in the pudding."
not really, this is knockout football
anything can happen on the day
posted on 17/3/13
Mourinho got under their skin
whilst Guardiola was in charge. A
new manager playing in a very
similar manner to Guardiola is
not likely to far any better imo.
When exactly is the last time
Barca beat Real?
--------
No offence but are you a Mourinho fanboy or something? It's like saying Fergie got under Mourinho's skin in the 06/07 season and no Chelsea manager can trump Fergie for that. Barca were simply pants at crunch time last season. Mourinho isn't the reason 10-man Chelsea eliminated them in the CL. Their improvement this season was massive. They did beat Madrid in the Supercopa but Valdes' clowning cost them the aggregate win. You may as well say Tito got under Mourinho's skin.
posted on 17/3/13
The season before last they
needed a Pepe red card to go
through, when it was 11 vs 11 in
the Copa Del Rey final, Real
Madrid won with Ronaldo
scoring the winner and Messi
going missing
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In everyone of those games, Madrid were in it because of Barca's profligacy. And Messi never went missing in the Copa final, he was the best player on the pitch and did everything but score. Ronaldo was the opposite, scoring but getting like 3 touches of the ball all game. I've told you before, Batmanu that I'm really not fooled by your anti-Barca (or new anti-Messi) facade.
posted on 17/3/13
Spot on Sheriff.
posted on 17/3/13
Barca, Madrid, Dortmund and Bayern will qualify for the semifinals. From then on, all depends on the draw.
Madrid is Barca's cryptonite. Bayern is Madrid's nemesis. Dortmund could win against any team, but their opponent would have slightly better chances in any match-up. Barca would beat Bayern.
If Barca can avoid Madrid in the semifinals and Madrid draws Bayern or loses against Dortmund, then Barca will win it.
If Barca draws Madrid then Bayern will probably win.
posted on 17/3/13
If dortmund find some good efficiency in front of goal then no team can stop them really. Not many sides rip teams apart like dortmund do. Its like the ac milan of 2007 but on another level. Fast precise counter attack.
posted on 17/3/13
I forgot another scenario: if the semifinals draw is Bayern vs Barca and Dortmund vs Madrid then Madrid would probably win the CL.
posted on 17/3/13
How would madrid win the champions league. I think out of those 4 teams real madrid are the weakest. They know how to play barca probably but out of those 4 teams they still are the weakest.
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