I'd rather do both their women, what's rosbergs like?

ASAP....don't want an ugly one

Unbiased observer

man unt devil

you know me manx -- i give every driver a fair shake on here -

when there was a little disagreement i felt it my duty to present the facts to the two members who could not agree --

when hamilton himself tells it as it was that kinda settles the disagreement

Hamilton did what his team told him to do,i.e. attack the red bulls so they could force them to destroy their tyres.

Didn't work and on the whole, Rosberg was better placed at the end so the teams strategy wasn't as effective.

man unt devil

hamilton needs to be a little smarter than he was at malaysia in future manx --
its ok attacking the cars in front but if his style is one that uses more fuel than his team mate which it did as rosberg was able to stay with him then it is not achieving very much -

when you think about it hamilton was very lucky on the day as brawn stopped rosberg from passing hamilton and if alonso had been around lewis would have been demoted to 5th --
-------- if hamilton has aspirations of the 2013 title he will need to drive a little more smarter in future

You forget the part where his team told him to go all out and attack

man unt devil

was aware of that manx -- rosberg was matching hamiltons pace so nico would of been attacking as well ,
both hamilton and rosberg would have been aware they were on an aggressive fuel strategy and it would seem that rosberg was able to manage his situation better than hamilton did whilst matching his pace -

as i said hamilton needs to be alot smarter than that if he has championship aspirations for this year ,
he wants to think himself lucky that rosberg was stitched up by brawn and alonso was not around --

it is a lack of savvy like this that can lose championships for a driver

Well its all settled from my point of view anyway. The weird and wonderful of F1 is its constant ambiguity.

On the topic above, do you guys think that Merc can challenge for a title this year? Im not convinced at all. I reckon its the second race, and we always get a team punching above their weight in the early races but ultimately the cream rises to the top come the last 5 or 6. I.E. RB, Fezza and Mclaren
Certainly this year i don't know about Merc mounting a serious challenge but they will probably get in the mix a good bit causing the others some headaches here and there.

Do not believe Mercedes can sustain a title challenge. They will take points off anyone else who isn't at the races.

Ferrari and Kimis Lotus are the cars to watch this year in my honest opinion

good evening dbm

i think merc have really upped there game since last year and now have real strength in there design team which can be seen from there on track improvement from last year -

think it is very possible they have a car that can mount a very serious challenge this year as they have a car that looks very well planted and the best engine and kers combination to boot -
in fact i believe it to be right up with red bull and ferrari at this moment in time -

for me the question mark is there drivers , will be the first to admit that lewis and rosberg are very good drivers but for me are not as complete as alonso and vettel -

when you have cars that in general are evenly matched it ultimately comes down to the ace in the car that can pull the rabbits from the hats that will win the biggest banana at the end of the season -
----------- to be honest with the likes of alonso and vettel around i dont see hamilton or rosberg pulling to many rabbits from hats this year --

First race of the season Mercedes finished 45 seconds off the pace and second race, they had to underfuel to attack the bulls and you say they are up there with the ferraris and the redbulls

Funny chap, Alonso is a superb driver but Vettel is a time trialist and if he didn't have that car, he would probably be looking with longing eyes at a Sauber as he never impressed anywhere else including the lower formulae and has no race craft.

Like Coulthard said, he will never be considered great until he proves himself elsewhere

A dark horse this year is Kimi and if Lotus have sorted out their quali pace, he'll be there or therabouts.

I personally think it's between Alonso and Kimi if the playing field is level. We know however that Mr Newey has got some bits in that car that will soon be considered illegal but for some reason the fia never punish them

man unt devil

try and think of the wider picture manx -- maybe there has only been one race so far maybe malaysia is only a figment of my imagination ,

the bulls had severe tyre degradation at aus , and ferrari and lotus did not set the world on fire at malaysia

------- wider picture manx ------ wider picture

Martial, you were the one who told us last season that Hamilton was making a mistake going to mercedes and criticising him for the move saying he went for money.

You said mercedes could not make a championship winning car and his long term career was in jeopardy. Now you say they have a championship winning car after 2 races into a 19 race season.

One race, they were 45mins off the pace, the other, they were underfueled to be competitive.

A few moths ago, mercedes are useless and hamilton is foolish, now they have a championship wiNning car

I'm confused

45 seconds, not 45mins

man unt devil

what has my previous prediction got to do with anything , - as it happens hamiltons merc moved has worked out ok for him as the mclaren has turned out to be an unexpected turkey -

when the racing actually starts we can only talk about the here and now not what peoples predictions were several weeks ago ,
and the here and now is that mercedes appear to have a good car this season -
------------- wider picture manx wider picture mate

You should take your own advice. Would help you with the foot and mouth disease

do you know the difference between "their" and "there"?

man unt devil

now now manx -- lets not start with the silly insults , when you have to resort to insults you have lost mate -

none of us are going to get our predictions correct every time and i am not so petty as to hold peoples previous predictions against them

----- i prefer to win my debates up front and fairly not pick holes in peoples month old comments and insult them because i dont have the nous to counter there current opinion

I'm not insulting you dear boy. I've asked you to take your own advice to prevent you putting your foot in your mouth which you've done.

It's a problem that plagues your posts. Remember when you said we didn't really know any F1 driver because we saw only a little of them on the screen when you were passionately defending Vettel? Meanwhile you've spent years insulting the intelligence of Hamilton or accusing him of a variety of things based on the little things you've seen on the screen.

It's comical and why truth be told, I find it difficult to take you seriously as you constantly contradict yourself.

Gents if I can be the voice of neutrality.

On Fezza, Alonso is the best driver out there in my humble opinion but is constantly undermined by a bad team who have all the resources and an idiot running the place.

RB
Best car and matched with Vettel makes a potent combination. I don't personally hold anything against their designer as its his job to find a way to bend the rules and make a fast machine. That's sort of been par for the course in F1 since forever. But this bad blood between drivers and last race is just the tip of the iceberg. We could see fireworks yet between these two.

Merc, I'm still not convinced about their pace. Certainly their pit wall had more to do with 3rd and 4th finish in Malaysia than the drivers or cars. On out and out pace it was probably beyond Rosberg to mount a challenge against the RB's had he been release but given their little spat up front perhaps he could have pressured a mistake from one of them.

Kimi and Lotus I reckon will be like Merc, and will steal points from those who are over confident and or just take their eye off the ball, but I can't see Lotus or Merc being title contenders come the last third of the season.

Just to pop in another question for discussion.
Does no one think McLaren will bounce back? That car seems to be a bit of a lemon but the talk coming from them is that its a beast in disguise. If they dial it in it will be the quickest out there. Of course you would expect them to say that, but McLaren are a top class outfit and i find it hard to believe that got this one so badly wrong. I expect they will be back at some point in the season, maybe too late to challenge but a player nonetheless

Excellent analysis mate can't fault any of the points made.

I do not hate or despise the finger. Most of my comments are light hearted when it comes to him. I'm not convinced by him yet, I know, it's funny to say that after he's won 3 championships but 2 of those were down to 1) Webber and Alonso botched pitstop at the last race of the season and the other (2) Alonso taking him to the end in a sub standard car.

It's Newey's job to extract the maximum from the rules but it winds me up when the FIA force them to change the car but do not take any points from them for infringing the rules. If they did nothing wrong, why ask them to change the car?

I also can't see Lotus and Mercedes providing a constant threat throughout the season but will be there or therabouts.

My concern with McLaren isn't their ability to sort the car out but their driver line up. With all due respect to JB, he is only effective when everything is set up to perfection. Last year for most of it, with the beast of a car, he was struggling to make Q3, something his team mate did all season long. Perez is still learning his trade so will have the odd good result but I do not believe they can provide a sustained title challenge. There will be some races where they dominate but that will be few and far between. Let's also not forget McLaren bungle everything from pit stops to strategies, so I wouldn't put much faith in them.

Should be an interesting season

man unt devil

sorry manx -- but you debate in a very cowardly way mate because you dont have the nous , knowledge or the intelligence to counter my current opinion you drag up any old comment / prediction i may have made weeks ago to use against me
----- that is nothing short of pathetic mate , i would never be that pathetic to drag up your old comments to use against you because i dont believe in debating in such a cowardly way -- i win my debates up front and honestly

my predictions are just that -- predictions , and like everybody else"s predictions on here they sometimes prove correct and sometimes they dont - it is the easiest thing in the world to wait until somebody"s harmless prediction on here does not turn out to be correct and then pathetically mock them for it and quite frankly they are the actions of somebody who does not have the intelligence to counter any opinion up front and honestly -

as for your hamilton infatuation which is the root cause of your silly attack on me -- i have only ever mentioned his relative lack of in car intelligence compared to the smarter drivers
--------- if you are going to make up little stories about me at least try and get your little fairy tales correct

Calm down dear, you contradict yourself a lot and that's why I asked you to take your advice.

No need to get your knickers in a twist. The great thing about a forum is that you write things down and we can all see them.

I've given my 2 cents on this debate with people who want a debate, when you want a debate, let me know as your continuous contradictions of yourself mean you are debating with yourself. I.e. You take a position today, one tomorrow, depending on your bias.

That's childish and that's why I do not respond. I treat the others here with decency and respect, sadly, you no longer belong to that group and all I do with you is laugh at you

man unt devil

oh dear --- typical hurt hamilton fanboy rubbish -

lets have it right manx as a silly little hamilton fanboy your head explodes at people like me that dont worship your little hero and make objective comments about him

, you regard anybody like me as the enemy on here which is nothing short of pathetic as we are all entitled to our views on here but because of your immaturity my views and opinions upset your delicate hamilton infatuation

i could take you more seriously if you debated in a less cowardly way -- if you dont agree with something i say why dont you have the bollox to say something to me at the time instead of waiting weeks after i said it