No wonder this country is becoming a joke , how long has he lived here now and still cant speak english .....
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This is hilarious and hypocritical !
The brits are amongst the worst for this, shameful considering we are part of the european union.
Do you know how many British and American Expats learn how to learn foreign languages when they move aboard?
This is hilarious and hypocritical
Does that make it right then you idiot
When i go to Spain i try and talk in spanish where possible for the ammount i know so i can have that opinion
i thought he might be going down
but if he was facing a stretch then city would surely delay proceedings till the summer
I've never understood why people think it's worse for a child to be run over by an uninsured driver than an insured one. Not being flippant but It's the same...
Does that make it right then you idiot
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Don't know why that makes me an idiot? But it's your thread so I'll go with it.
The point is really that he is here because of his talent as a footballer. Irrelevant of his language skills. He is coming in because an English talent was not good enough to play football and take that place.
I just think that attitude us so typical considering that the majority of English people can't speak a foreign language. The fact is that in his line of work and in his social life he does not need to.
Anyway, no offense was meant. Just don't know why it makes the country a joke. There are many other countries that accommodate Brits and speak english in their own country. Have you ever been to Germany, Holland or northern europe?
He had no insurance as well, just as well he didnt run your kids over hey
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How would insurance have helped in that instance?
How does insurance protect anyone from getting run over?
How would insurance have helped in that instance?
How does insurance protect anyone from getting run over?
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of course it doesn't prevent anyone from getting run over
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation in the event of an injury to a third party.
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation
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I'm pretty sure tevez would be able to provide enough cash for compensation.
So again.. who did tevez hurt? No one, insurance companies missed out on a few thousand pounds of premium.
Thus the sentence handed out is what could be expected.
They were never going to jail him... how much would it cost to jail tevez over what would have been a civil matter?
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation
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I'm pretty sure tevez would be able to provide enough cash for compensation.
So again.. who did tevez hurt? No one, insurance companies missed out on a few thousand pounds of premium.
Thus the sentence handed out is what could be expected.
They were never going to jail him... how much would it cost to jail tevez over what would have been a civil matter?
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several points here:
Tevez is the exception and not the rule. Sure he's one of the fraction of a percentage of the general population who is wealthy enough to cover the cost of many years healthcare. But suppose he ploughed into a bunch of school kids waiting at the bus stop? Even if he did start to cover the cost, what happens if he goes abroad once his playing days are over in the UK? He's Argentinian, does the UK have an extradition policy in place with Argentina?
These are some of the reasons its mandatory to have 3rd party insurance cover as a minimum in the UK.
The annual cost of keeping a person in jail is estimated to be c.£50,000 per year.
This is not a civil matter, its a criminal matter. Disqualified driving usually carries a jail sentence of up to 26 weeks if no aggravating circumstances. He got off light
Tevez is the exception and not the rule.
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Tevez's sentence is what is being discussed here.
He didnt hurt anyone.
He was driving while disqualified for not having insurance.
Hence the sentence he got. I didn't say that he should've got off scot free, the sentence is right.
Those claiming its a joke or that he was privileged to have that sentence are wrong.
He's been caught once, and ignored the punishment. He is wealthy enough to employ somebody to drive full-time for him for a superb annual salary, that Teves would earn in a couple of days. Breathtakingly arrogant.
I think the fine should equate to the cost of the car . Maybe it would stop super-rich people acting so blasé about what is not only a criminal offence, but something we all subsidise through the insurance premiums we pay
You'll find insurance premium rises have more to do with an increase in claims, (claim culture)
The fine is just a fine that anyone doing the same thing would have received.
You'll find insurance premium rises have more to do with an increase in claims, (claim culture)
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Partly yes, but every uninsured driver is not putting money in to a communal pot that law-abiding people have to subsidise.
Prison sentences should be the same for everybody - a person's liberty has exactly the same value. Fines should be a deterrent though, otherwise it's pointless having them. A 1000k fine is a big deterrent for me, but it's nothing for Tevez, as his arrogant attitude shows.
If the fine you paid was the cost of the car you were driving perhaps people wouldn't be so blasé. While you are correct that he didn't hurt anyone, there is a reason you have to take a driving test.
If somebody got caught drink-driving, you wouldn't say "but he never hurt anybody". It's a ridiculous defence.
Eh? Not having insurance doesn't affect your physical ability to drive.
While being under the influence of whatever drug does..
It's a ridiculous comparison.
Eh? Not having insurance doesn't affect your physical ability to drive.
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Wtf is your problem deadinthehead?
No of course it doesn't but it affects your legal and moral/ethical right to drive. FFS
Apart from the fact you haven't passed the required tests and acquired a licence to drive.
Here's a question.....
If everybody had that attitude, didn't bother passing their test and just got in a car would the roads be...
A) Safer
B) The same
C) More dangerous
really cant believe your attitude to this
Tevez got fined a hrs pay, if i got fined £14.28 which is my hourly rate i might think its not worth me following the law as well
You seem to think because the person was not drunk or on drugs that its ok not to live within the law
he could and should of gone to jail if ony for a week to teach him a lesson and others like him.
What makes me so angry is most people struggle with todays costs of running a car but still apy their dues but he just thinks hes above the law but thats ok with you
Really... you are clueless mate
WearethefamousTHFC . Amsterdam will be Blue & White (U10288)
It seems to me you are arguing for consistency; so what's wrong with the suggestion that offenders of this crime would be better serving community service rather than jail time?
Taking Tevez's case in isolation, what do you think is the best form of punishment? Paying lots to lock him up, or having him spend the best part of a month's full time work with local kids?
Even if you don't agree, surely you can see some logic.
The fine is a red herring. I would imagine the judge has an upper limit of what he can fine people, and whatever it is, it'll represent a paltry sum for a multi-millionaire.
What happens if City sell him in may and he goes abroad
First offence maybe but second time a week in prison would of woke him up
Thats the trouble with this country, dont matter how many times people offend judges and police just want to let them off
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Deleting your comments as Tottenham riots has feck all to do with this article you muppet
Well as its sentences being discussed, hence your article saying the sentence is a joke and how can community service be an effective deterrent. I would have thought the views of the Tottenham MP on sentencing would be relevant.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/12/riots-prison-sentence-david-lammy
Community service and a fine relevant to the car you drive would do me . 250hrs is a decent whack though to be fair.
He should have to put up a huge bond until it is served too - in case he moves before serving it
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posted on 3/4/13
No wonder this country is becoming a joke , how long has he lived here now and still cant speak english .....
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This is hilarious and hypocritical !
The brits are amongst the worst for this, shameful considering we are part of the european union.
Do you know how many British and American Expats learn how to learn foreign languages when they move aboard?
posted on 3/4/13
This is hilarious and hypocritical
Does that make it right then you idiot
When i go to Spain i try and talk in spanish where possible for the ammount i know so i can have that opinion
posted on 3/4/13
i thought he might be going down
but if he was facing a stretch then city would surely delay proceedings till the summer
posted on 3/4/13
I've never understood why people think it's worse for a child to be run over by an uninsured driver than an insured one. Not being flippant but It's the same...
posted on 3/4/13
Does that make it right then you idiot
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Don't know why that makes me an idiot? But it's your thread so I'll go with it.
The point is really that he is here because of his talent as a footballer. Irrelevant of his language skills. He is coming in because an English talent was not good enough to play football and take that place.
I just think that attitude us so typical considering that the majority of English people can't speak a foreign language. The fact is that in his line of work and in his social life he does not need to.
Anyway, no offense was meant. Just don't know why it makes the country a joke. There are many other countries that accommodate Brits and speak english in their own country. Have you ever been to Germany, Holland or northern europe?
posted on 3/4/13
He had no insurance as well, just as well he didnt run your kids over hey
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How would insurance have helped in that instance?
How does insurance protect anyone from getting run over?
posted on 3/4/13
How would insurance have helped in that instance?
How does insurance protect anyone from getting run over?
================================
of course it doesn't prevent anyone from getting run over
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation in the event of an injury to a third party.
posted on 3/4/13
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation
----
I'm pretty sure tevez would be able to provide enough cash for compensation.
So again.. who did tevez hurt? No one, insurance companies missed out on a few thousand pounds of premium.
Thus the sentence handed out is what could be expected.
They were never going to jail him... how much would it cost to jail tevez over what would have been a civil matter?
posted on 3/4/13
its there to provide for long term medical care/compensation
----
I'm pretty sure tevez would be able to provide enough cash for compensation.
So again.. who did tevez hurt? No one, insurance companies missed out on a few thousand pounds of premium.
Thus the sentence handed out is what could be expected.
They were never going to jail him... how much would it cost to jail tevez over what would have been a civil matter?
===========================
several points here:
Tevez is the exception and not the rule. Sure he's one of the fraction of a percentage of the general population who is wealthy enough to cover the cost of many years healthcare. But suppose he ploughed into a bunch of school kids waiting at the bus stop? Even if he did start to cover the cost, what happens if he goes abroad once his playing days are over in the UK? He's Argentinian, does the UK have an extradition policy in place with Argentina?
These are some of the reasons its mandatory to have 3rd party insurance cover as a minimum in the UK.
The annual cost of keeping a person in jail is estimated to be c.£50,000 per year.
This is not a civil matter, its a criminal matter. Disqualified driving usually carries a jail sentence of up to 26 weeks if no aggravating circumstances. He got off light
posted on 3/4/13
Tevez is the exception and not the rule.
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Tevez's sentence is what is being discussed here.
He didnt hurt anyone.
He was driving while disqualified for not having insurance.
Hence the sentence he got. I didn't say that he should've got off scot free, the sentence is right.
Those claiming its a joke or that he was privileged to have that sentence are wrong.
posted on 3/4/13
He's been caught once, and ignored the punishment. He is wealthy enough to employ somebody to drive full-time for him for a superb annual salary, that Teves would earn in a couple of days. Breathtakingly arrogant.
I think the fine should equate to the cost of the car . Maybe it would stop super-rich people acting so blasé about what is not only a criminal offence, but something we all subsidise through the insurance premiums we pay
posted on 3/4/13
You'll find insurance premium rises have more to do with an increase in claims, (claim culture)
The fine is just a fine that anyone doing the same thing would have received.
posted on 3/4/13
You'll find insurance premium rises have more to do with an increase in claims, (claim culture)
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Partly yes, but every uninsured driver is not putting money in to a communal pot that law-abiding people have to subsidise.
Prison sentences should be the same for everybody - a person's liberty has exactly the same value. Fines should be a deterrent though, otherwise it's pointless having them. A 1000k fine is a big deterrent for me, but it's nothing for Tevez, as his arrogant attitude shows.
If the fine you paid was the cost of the car you were driving perhaps people wouldn't be so blasé. While you are correct that he didn't hurt anyone, there is a reason you have to take a driving test.
posted on 3/4/13
If somebody got caught drink-driving, you wouldn't say "but he never hurt anybody". It's a ridiculous defence.
posted on 3/4/13
Eh? Not having insurance doesn't affect your physical ability to drive.
While being under the influence of whatever drug does..
It's a ridiculous comparison.
posted on 3/4/13
Eh? Not having insurance doesn't affect your physical ability to drive.
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Wtf is your problem deadinthehead?
No of course it doesn't but it affects your legal and moral/ethical right to drive. FFS
posted on 4/4/13
Apart from the fact you haven't passed the required tests and acquired a licence to drive.
Here's a question.....
If everybody had that attitude, didn't bother passing their test and just got in a car would the roads be...
A) Safer
B) The same
C) More dangerous
posted on 4/4/13
really cant believe your attitude to this
Tevez got fined a hrs pay, if i got fined £14.28 which is my hourly rate i might think its not worth me following the law as well
You seem to think because the person was not drunk or on drugs that its ok not to live within the law
he could and should of gone to jail if ony for a week to teach him a lesson and others like him.
What makes me so angry is most people struggle with todays costs of running a car but still apy their dues but he just thinks hes above the law but thats ok with you
Really... you are clueless mate
posted on 4/4/13
WearethefamousTHFC . Amsterdam will be Blue & White (U10288)
It seems to me you are arguing for consistency; so what's wrong with the suggestion that offenders of this crime would be better serving community service rather than jail time?
Taking Tevez's case in isolation, what do you think is the best form of punishment? Paying lots to lock him up, or having him spend the best part of a month's full time work with local kids?
Even if you don't agree, surely you can see some logic.
The fine is a red herring. I would imagine the judge has an upper limit of what he can fine people, and whatever it is, it'll represent a paltry sum for a multi-millionaire.
posted on 4/4/13
What happens if City sell him in may and he goes abroad
First offence maybe but second time a week in prison would of woke him up
Thats the trouble with this country, dont matter how many times people offend judges and police just want to let them off
posted on 4/4/13
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posted on 4/4/13
Deleting your comments as Tottenham riots has feck all to do with this article you muppet
posted on 4/4/13
Well as its sentences being discussed, hence your article saying the sentence is a joke and how can community service be an effective deterrent. I would have thought the views of the Tottenham MP on sentencing would be relevant.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/aug/12/riots-prison-sentence-david-lammy
posted on 4/4/13
Community service and a fine relevant to the car you drive would do me . 250hrs is a decent whack though to be fair.
He should have to put up a huge bond until it is served too - in case he moves before serving it
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