"Other than a fully fit Wilshire, I wouldn't want any other Arsenal player in our best 11."
Not even Cazorla I presume, who's twice as good as WIlshere?
"Our keeper is better. Our fullbacks are on a different level all together to yours. And our centre backs are all better too and I include our back ups in that. Koscielny is your best and he's about on a par with Smalling/Jones I'd say. Rio, Evans and Vidic are all much better."
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Cazorla is better than some of our options, however where would he fit in? He's not really a proper left winger with pace, we normally play a slightly altered 4-4-2, so where?
No denying he's a class player but he wouldn't fit into United's system.
Cazorla, Wilshere and Arteta are the only players that would really improve us. Koscielny is a good defender, I've rated him highly for ages, but Vidic, Rio and Evans are better for me. And Smalling and Jones are very promising defenders.
We are well stocked in most departments. All we need to do is trim down the squad size and add a little bit more quality. It's not as simple as - we have this many players that would get in your first 11 therefore the gap isn't that big.
United don't have a first 11 anyway. Probably one of the things that has stopped us moving up a level as their is no understanding within the team.
I really do hope the premier league next season will give us more talking points than these tired petty exchanges.
That's the revolution it needs, to capture the imagination of normal folks in the lead up to the World Cup.
I am very much looking forward to the 2014 world cup, hopefully all the best players are fit and on top form, could be epic.
"No denying he's a class player but he wouldn't fit into United's system."
Fair point. Very fair point. And you're spot on. Have a look at Kagawa.
Very classy player who's unable to get in really due to the system you play. Am I correct?
Reckon he'll be key for you next season, now that Rooney may do one.
Cazorla would suit us better than Kagawa has I reckon.
He's more adaptable as he's played as a winger for most of his career, whereas Kagawa is an attacking mid that has played wide on occasion.
Kagawa's almost a second striker more than anything.
True, they're pretty much the same thing. Football has become so tactical that we often argue over the semantics of a position.
I'm convinced Kagawa was signed to play behind Rooney but then couldn't pass up the chance to sign RVP and then he didn't know how to fit them all in.
I can't think of many times they've all been on the pitch at the same time.
Rooney and Kagawa looked good together at the start of the season.
Some good link up play between them. Not hard to understand Kagawa though. He plays very direct.
Yeah, and against Norwich.
It's strange, most of us were expecting Kagawa to link up better than RVP due to him being a more technical player than Rooney, but it's been the other way around.
Everton reached their level 6th/7th is about as good as it is ever gonna get for them**
Love these kind of comments...reached their level? what a tool...go & check your football history out sometime!
comment by Ramsey (U5023)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
The only united players id have in arsenal's starting XI is
De Gea
Rafael
Carrick
RVP
Rooney
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Vidic
Ferdinand
Jones
Smalling
Evans
Nani
Valencia
Giggs
Will stroll into the Arsenal first 11
Vidic
Ferdinand
Jones
Smalling
Evans
Nani
Valencia
Giggs
Will stroll into the Arsenal first 11
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Look I didn't want to get into the petty points scoring going on in this thread, but that is patently not true. How would all your centre backs 'stroll' into our eleven when we have conceded less goals than you?
And as for your wingers, and combined 4 goals and 8 assists between the three of them in the league this season. Not a chance.
As has been pointed out, United's strength this season and where they are significantly better off then Arsenal, is with their forwards.
Simply because they are player for player, better than arsenal. The points gap between both teams tells you all you need to know.
Evra as well would
Vidic - Ever injured.
Ferdinand - Struggles with age and fitness.
Jones -
Smalling -
Evans -
Nani
Valencia -
Giggs - Stroll into our team? He struggles to stroll anywhere.
The points gap between both teams tells you all you need to know.
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Well, no it doesn't. There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
Look, I'm not saying that United haven't been the better team, obviously the points total shows that, but it doesn't show why they've been the better team - the manager, the never say die attitude, superior forwards. But if you're saying that because Utd finish top of the league then all their players are superior to all players of all other teams in the league, then you're either on the WUM or are an idiot.
Couldn't agree more.
Liverpool have the tendency to push forward to CL and should be getting at least EL alongside Tottenham I feel again. Arsenal could be moving on to new heights like Chelsea and I can see Man City winning the league over Man United.
Everton just still that little bit behind the others because they don't have enough resources to improve.
There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
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No, outside of their star player though very few could make it into the United team, same as with Arsenal.
SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab)
There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
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No, outside of their star player though very few could make it into the United team, same as with Arsenal.
How many times did this team of all stars beat Spurs this season?
How many times did this team of all stars beat Spurs this season?
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Sorry I forgot we judge teams on head to head games only. Spurs champions of England well done..
Moving swiftly back to reality are you implying with your post that only if United had stars players in every position could they keep out only more than a few Tottenham players outside of Bale?!
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posted on 11/5/13
"Other than a fully fit Wilshire, I wouldn't want any other Arsenal player in our best 11."
Not even Cazorla I presume, who's twice as good as WIlshere?
posted on 11/5/13
"Our keeper is better. Our fullbacks are on a different level all together to yours. And our centre backs are all better too and I include our back ups in that. Koscielny is your best and he's about on a par with Smalling/Jones I'd say. Rio, Evans and Vidic are all much better."
posted on 11/5/13
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Cazorla is better than some of our options, however where would he fit in? He's not really a proper left winger with pace, we normally play a slightly altered 4-4-2, so where?
No denying he's a class player but he wouldn't fit into United's system.
posted on 11/5/13
Cazorla, Wilshere and Arteta are the only players that would really improve us. Koscielny is a good defender, I've rated him highly for ages, but Vidic, Rio and Evans are better for me. And Smalling and Jones are very promising defenders.
We are well stocked in most departments. All we need to do is trim down the squad size and add a little bit more quality. It's not as simple as - we have this many players that would get in your first 11 therefore the gap isn't that big.
United don't have a first 11 anyway. Probably one of the things that has stopped us moving up a level as their is no understanding within the team.
posted on 11/5/13
I really do hope the premier league next season will give us more talking points than these tired petty exchanges.
That's the revolution it needs, to capture the imagination of normal folks in the lead up to the World Cup.
posted on 11/5/13
I am very much looking forward to the 2014 world cup, hopefully all the best players are fit and on top form, could be epic.
posted on 11/5/13
"No denying he's a class player but he wouldn't fit into United's system."
Fair point. Very fair point. And you're spot on. Have a look at Kagawa.
Very classy player who's unable to get in really due to the system you play. Am I correct?
Reckon he'll be key for you next season, now that Rooney may do one.
posted on 11/5/13
Cazorla would suit us better than Kagawa has I reckon.
He's more adaptable as he's played as a winger for most of his career, whereas Kagawa is an attacking mid that has played wide on occasion.
posted on 11/5/13
Kagawa's almost a second striker more than anything.
posted on 11/5/13
True, they're pretty much the same thing. Football has become so tactical that we often argue over the semantics of a position.
I'm convinced Kagawa was signed to play behind Rooney but then couldn't pass up the chance to sign RVP and then he didn't know how to fit them all in.
I can't think of many times they've all been on the pitch at the same time.
posted on 11/5/13
Rooney and Kagawa looked good together at the start of the season.
Some good link up play between them. Not hard to understand Kagawa though. He plays very direct.
posted on 11/5/13
Yeah, and against Norwich.
It's strange, most of us were expecting Kagawa to link up better than RVP due to him being a more technical player than Rooney, but it's been the other way around.
posted on 11/5/13
Everton reached their level 6th/7th is about as good as it is ever gonna get for them**
Love these kind of comments...reached their level? what a tool...go & check your football history out sometime!
posted on 11/5/13
comment by Ramsey (U5023)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
The only united players id have in arsenal's starting XI is
De Gea
Rafael
Carrick
RVP
Rooney
-----
Vidic
Ferdinand
Jones
Smalling
Evans
Nani
Valencia
Giggs
Will stroll into the Arsenal first 11
posted on 11/5/13
Vidic
Ferdinand
Jones
Smalling
Evans
Nani
Valencia
Giggs
Will stroll into the Arsenal first 11
=====================
Look I didn't want to get into the petty points scoring going on in this thread, but that is patently not true. How would all your centre backs 'stroll' into our eleven when we have conceded less goals than you?
And as for your wingers, and combined 4 goals and 8 assists between the three of them in the league this season. Not a chance.
posted on 11/5/13
As has been pointed out, United's strength this season and where they are significantly better off then Arsenal, is with their forwards.
posted on 11/5/13
Simply because they are player for player, better than arsenal. The points gap between both teams tells you all you need to know.
Evra as well would
posted on 11/5/13
Vidic - Ever injured.
Ferdinand - Struggles with age and fitness.
Jones -
Smalling -
Evans -
Nani
Valencia -
Giggs - Stroll into our team? He struggles to stroll anywhere.
posted on 11/5/13
The points gap between both teams tells you all you need to know.
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Well, no it doesn't. There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
Look, I'm not saying that United haven't been the better team, obviously the points total shows that, but it doesn't show why they've been the better team - the manager, the never say die attitude, superior forwards. But if you're saying that because Utd finish top of the league then all their players are superior to all players of all other teams in the league, then you're either on the WUM or are an idiot.
posted on 11/5/13
Couldn't agree more.
Liverpool have the tendency to push forward to CL and should be getting at least EL alongside Tottenham I feel again. Arsenal could be moving on to new heights like Chelsea and I can see Man City winning the league over Man United.
Everton just still that little bit behind the others because they don't have enough resources to improve.
posted on 12/5/13
There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
........................................
No, outside of their star player though very few could make it into the United team, same as with Arsenal.
posted on 12/5/13
SAF_The_Legend 20 times #SupportMoyes (previously 7_The_Arab)
There's a similar points total between Utd and Spurs - does that mean all those wingers are better than Bale?
........................................
No, outside of their star player though very few could make it into the United team, same as with Arsenal.
How many times did this team of all stars beat Spurs this season?
posted on 13/5/13
How many times did this team of all stars beat Spurs this season?
...................................
Sorry I forgot we judge teams on head to head games only. Spurs champions of England well done..
Moving swiftly back to reality are you implying with your post that only if United had stars players in every position could they keep out only more than a few Tottenham players outside of Bale?!
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