So all in all as long as it's one of the four your happy

McClaren,Coyle,Davis,Jackett for me in that order

Mclaren probably has some terrific knowledge of players in foreign leagues. BUT, we are unlikely to be looking here because nobody from these places will want to come to League One

Good appraisal apart from this statement! Have you checked the lower-league teams recently? Edgar Davids at Barnet, Uwe Rossler at Brentford to name just two. The lower divisions are packed with "foreigners" because, guess what! they are cheaper than Brits!

Don't know out of that lot. Coyle maybe Davis. Just think Mcclaren will get off to a bad start and then won't be able to take the abuse well.

Uwe Rossler is managing Brentford though, not playing. And Davids, while amazing in his day, hasn't been particularly good in over five years and certainly isn't the kind of foreign signing we should be looking to make.

Thought I would throw some stats into the mix.

McClaren 4-3-3 def

43,96 % Wins
23,69 % Draw
32,35 % Losses

Coyle 4-4-2

39,38 % Wins
22,95 % Draw
37,67 % Losses

Jackett 4-4-2

41,99 % Wins
25,20 % Draw
32,81 % Losses

Davis 4-4-2

46,07 % Wins
24,72 % Draw
29,21 % Losses

I realise that Ulf???? but both Brentford and Barnet are lower league clubs attracting high-profile foreigners. Just because a club is playing in Div 1 or 2 doesn't mean they cannot attract relatively cheap players from abroad.

Don't you think a managerial position is a bit different though?

Everybody is looking for different things - don't know about Rossler but Davids obviously wants to cut his teeth in management, wants to still play and loves north London apparently. I would guess Rossler the same in terms of gaining experience, though I don't know why he is starting quite so low when he has some experience.

What would be the motive for a foreigner in the top division in their country to move AND take a drop of two leagues? It won't be money, it won't be opportunities. Mclaren will likely know the top Dutch league and top German league best. Top German and Dutch players tend to mainly move about within those countries, why on earth would one of them come to us?

I would say the Championship would be a bit different because players know they are pretty close to them prem but I just can't see a circumstance where Coyle's knowledge of top flight players or Mclaren's knowledge of top flight foreign players could help us, not this season anyway.

All depends on what style of football we will be playing Cyp???? to the players that we want, whether that be from abroad or the UK. Who makes that decision the Head coach or the man with the easiest job in football, Kevin Thewell?

I didn't say that the top foreigners, playing in their top leagues would come to us, but there are second and third dividions throughout the world along with second and third teams at all of the top clubs.

If McLaren or to a lesser extent Coyle were in charge; they could easily attract such players.

We'll be playing hoofball tara. Why change the habits of a lifetime.

Bolton were down below us under Owen "Shameless" Coyle and shot up and nearly made the playoffs after they got rid.
Made a name with one set of players at Burnley, who he ran out on, and done nothing since.
Very much agree with your point about knowledge of L1.
Also a record of bringing in young players is good.
Therefore
1 Jackett
2 Davis
3 McClaren


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Interesting stats those Tara. Is that for their entire careers?

Assuming it is, McClaren's certainly impress me the most, since he's managed in the top flight in England and Holland.

Jackett's and Davis' are good too but obviously they've only managed at lower levels.

Coyle's are the least impressive clearly, but given that a lot of that time was in the Premiership it's still not bad. More than 1 win in 3. In our 3 Premiership seasons we managed:

2009/10 - 9 in 38 = under 1 win in 4
2010/11 - 11 in 38 = under 1 win in 3
2011/12 - 5 in 38 = under 1 win in 7

Obviously getting ahead of myself here taking Premiership statistics into account - perhaps Jackett/Davis' lower league experience would be perfect for us in our current position.

Long story short - for some reason I still want Coyle most, but I'd be cautiously optimistic about any of the 4 front-runners.

Think Davis might surprise you Cyp. Apart from going defensive against the bigger teams in the Division he tries to get his team to play a decent bit of football.

Disclaimer: Ive only skimmed through some of the Crewe games of last season.

I guess Cyp, but I was mainly making the point that any manager benefits from knowing players in leagues in which they have managed relatively recently.

So while I initially thought Mclaren would be great in terms of knowing loads of players, thinking about our recruitment, he's probably not a lot more likely to know lower level Dutch players than Jackett is.

So we might benefit more from a manager who ostensibly knows of less talent (because he's lower league) but whose pool of knowledge overlaps much better with our recruitment policy than one who knows of loads of great foreign players who we can't sign for at least a year and maybe longer.

I guess you are right in that Coyle or Mclaren would be more of a draw than Jackett or Davis but I think that kind of depends on the person a lot as well as the experience - someone who is really enthusiastic, has ambitious plans, is very charming and offers players a great welcome, personally meeting their car in the car park, getting young players' parents a cup of tea etc. could potentially bring in players more effectively than an experienced manager who doesn't sell the club so well, doesn't explain their plans as clearly etc.

I guess a lot of that will come across at interview and we won't ever know how much the different personalities affects the decision.

2011/12 - 5 in 38 = under 1 win in 7

That's relegation form HaaK

My most hated goal celebration:

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2013/05/24/transfer-rumours-may-24/

Whats that all about?

Agree with that analysis Haak and I definitely think that lower league experience is more fitting, we should be thinking about who is right for us, not who is technically the very best manager we could get.

I would put money on Davis finishing higher with Crewe than Mourinho would because management is SO different at each level.

The one thing I would argue though is that Mclaren's win ratio is more impressive because it is in the top league. I'm not sure that is necessarily true. I think the top leagues are very different to lower leagues but the challenges are different in each rather than harder.

I think a manager with an average amount of money for their league at a club for an average amount of time is sort of the norm and you have to work backwards from there to actually compare the ratios. I don't know the figures and don't have time to research it I'm afraid so I'm not sure who comes out best of those ratios accounting for circumstance.

The one thing I would say is that Jackett, Davis and Coyle have achieved their win ratios with promoted clubs, who you would expect to have lower win ratios after promotion. Mclaren has achieved his with a relatively stable top league side and an upper end top league side.

Yeah you're right Haak, its from transfermarkt.co.uk.

I don't know if I agree with that.
McClaren at 'Boro never a top side in my very humble opinion and beating the likes of Ajax,PSV & Feyenoord to the league title is a remarkable achievement (he finished runner up there as well in his first season)

Don't get me wrong Tino, undoubtedly an outstanding achievement, I would never take anything away from that. BUT, I would question whether it is more impressive to get a win ratio like that at Spurs, for example, where you are at the top end of the table or whether it is more impressive to get it at Swansea for example who are punching well above their weight in terms of what has been expected of them as a recently promoted team. Does that make sense?

And Boro had been mid table the year before Mclaren joined and had been in the Premiership for ages. Again, would that premiership win ratio be more impressive with Fulham or Swansea? I would say Swansea because Fulham are pretty solid and should really be getting a decent win ratio.

But that does bring into question which achievement is more impressive because it is all relative and subjective. For example, would Moyes' Champions League placing season have been more impressive than Spurs or Liverpool winning the League in the same season, I guess the odds would be roughly in the same ball park. They are both overachieving but one gets a league win from it where the other doesn't, but does that make it a greater achievement?

Does any of this make any sense? Even I'm struggling to make sense of what I'm saying and I'm no longer sure of the point I'm trying to make!

you remind me of a Scouser who claimed Liverpools treble of FA,League and Uefa cups being of the same "worth" as Uniteds Prem,FA,Champo league '99 season

it all depends I guess on what you expect yourself. My Dad for instance would see us winning the league and both cups but losing home and away to Albion as failiure

Definitely not the same!

Yeah, it is an interesting argument I think. When people were talking about whether we should go all out for the cups in our third prem season (how naive that looks in hindsight lol), I never really got the cup excitement, I would happily have taken any finish above fifteenth over a cup win at the beginning of the season because it would have represented progress in the longer term.

But loads of people would disagree with that and I do understand their arguments on this.

But back to our manager hunt - I genuinely have no idea which should be given the most weighting. I think that I think it doesn't really matter and that we are considerably closer to Crewe or Millwall's position than FC Twente's or Boro's at the moment and, for this reason, we should probably go for the candidates who are best suited for us and where we want to be in five years time, not where we want to be deciding we want to be in five years time in five years time

probably go for the candidates who are best suited for us and where we want to be in five years time,
Mick it is then!

I get what your saying they all have pro's and con's

McClaren would see this is a good project to get his reputation re-built...but would he show us loyalty? would he feck off when a "bigger club" comes a long

Coyle - see above as per Burnley to Bolton
Davis - gives the youth a chance as per his starting 11 vs Walsall, Wolves fan apparently so would love to take us up through the leagues - deffo could be a long term manager

so in short I still don't know what or who I feckin want either

From memory didn't McClaren get paticularly good financial backing from his Chairman at Boro ?
Not a bad thing if he did I know, you still have to spend the money wisely.