In fairness Neymar is overrated.

I know fat ron
they all do it

if they pull that one out you know they're desperate

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The amount of people calling neymar overrated are now making him underrated

Agree on Neymar, would struggle in England or a physical league. Might well settle better at barca though.

Says nay and Koscielny have to be the two most over rated, they'd be at their level at a club like Wigan

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I'd say most overrated is Michael Carrick. At international stage he's facking shïte.

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Just because I feel people value the players too highly doesnt indicate they should be playing for a weaker team? I just feel they arent quite good as their fans make them out to be dumb@$$

Fat Ron did you bother to read my post?? Anyway, cleverly played 30 league games so he was doing something right and earned a title medal....but as I said does anybody rate him? He's neat, tidy and ok at what he does but he must be doing something right eh

"Anyway, cleverly played 30 league games so he was doing something right and earned a title medal"

I suppose Geremi, Smertin and Jarosik must have been doing "something right" to earn their medals too

I think what Cleverly did right was not be Anderson. Or get eaten by him.

Christ mate, yes if they played enough games!! Ffs what the flying fook is wrong with you??? If fergie picked him he was doing something right to play over 30 games.......if you rate him is another matter, he earned a medal ffs, but you cannot seem to grasp this simple fooking concept!!!!

"If fergie picked him he was doing something right to play over 30 games......."

That's like us winning the league this year with Torres and Beckford up front and claiming Beckford's winners' medal proves he's a good striker

But you wouldn't win the league with Beckford up front because he is not good enough.

I don't grasp the concept Mufc20.

Cleverly had as much to do with United winning the league as Traore did with Liverpool winning the CL is all.

He's not rubbish obviously. But he's also not an important player to United either.

I don't agree. In fact I thought we won the CL in spite of Traore he was that bad. We came fifth in the league that year.

Cleverley is okay. He's good at some stuff and bad at others but he will steadily improve I think much like Henderson.

Jesus wept, cleverly played over 30 times in a 38 league campaign so I would say he was fairly important to uniteds midfield as they had no one else to play......now do you understand as you clearly don't watch united at all! Played in victories at city, Liverpool, Chelsea so I would say he was fairly important to the league campaign, now if you still don't understand what I'm going on about then tough shittee as I don't care....champions20!

Cleverly had as much to do with United winning the league as Traore did with Liverpool winning the CL is all.
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He really didn't. Cleverley played like 2-3 games less than Wayne Rooney and for the last month, we didn't even know why he wasn't playing [Apparent fall-out with Sir Alex? Nobody really knew] - He would have appeared more times.

He isn't exactly world-class and so forth, but he'll have just turned 24 in August. He has got years to get better and better.

I actually can see why he would be a nominee for some of our fans over-rating him though. The lad has got potential and the only thing we can allow him is the option to get better.

Cleverley got games in your midfield because you had no one else to play not because he was the best in a good group

I don't know what you're going on about Mufc20. sorry

fair point hoody

United.....Smalling, versatile but for me 4th choice cb and should only be used at rb in an emergency.
City.......Hart, decent keeper who will progress with age but still worryingly error prone.
Chelsea.....Honestly don't think too many of their players are overrated, mata, hazard, oscar and luiz are all top players, maybe terry if i had to be picky but i think it's more their fans idolising him as leader and not for his ability.
Arsenal......Their fans generally blow hot and cold on here with their players, i'd probably say cazorla, when he's good he's very good but sometimes anonymous, unlike mata for chelsea who's generally always good.
Spurs...... Obviously i'm going to say bale, great talent but the british media would have you believe he's on ronaldo's level, frankly ridiculous.
Everton........Like chelsea, don't think too many overrate their players.
Liverpool.........Coutinho, played one(ish) season and looked very good, but some fans are now claiming he's more important to them than suarez, he has tons of potential to become a great player but already is carrying a burden of expectation.

Cleverley got games in your midfield because you had no one else to play not because he was the best in a good group
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Don't be silly. You completely missed the 100 trillion complaints about playing Giggs/Scholes/Rooney/Jones in the middle when we've had natural C.Ms in our squad.

Fat Ron got it......seen the light! That's what I said a few times that united had no one else! So he earned it! And kaiser grow up pal, try reading people's posts before trying to insult them