Pontius, the law makers do not understand how much of the real world works. When the world sees the Tynecastle incident from a couple of years ago and the kant gets let off from what happened due to the law, it makes people at the state of affairs brought about by the law makers

Heed, I agree there was no excuse for that, even if that guy had been a 'plant' following my argument in the OP, he should never have got near the pitch that's basic crowd control.

We don't need new laws, we need fan education.
Everybody knows what is borderline and what is well over the line, fans don't HAVE to sing certain songs or behave violently, it's a personal choice. Fans represent their clubs so fans have a responsibility to self-police.

Banter and abuse are part and parcel of football, bringing in laws to sterilize the atmospheres further at a time when we should be trying to find a way to encourage people back is cackhanded, where are the ideas to improve the entertainment?

"When the world sees the Tynecastle incident from a couple of years ago and the kant gets let off from what happened due to the law"?

He got the jail.

Unless you mean Lennon.

Very true Hector, police your own

Lets face facts here;

1) Both sides of the Old Firm are guilty of all sorts of politically incorrect banter/abuse/religious intolerance etc.

2) Both sides of the Old Firm will pile grief onto their opposites whenever the opportunity presents itself, with reservations. In my mind totally acceptable. I have been n the receiving end as well as giving it out.

3) Most Scottish Old Firm fans (and I stress most) will not overstep the mark and belittle themselves by;

a) resorting to point scoring in regard to one persons abuse of boys some 40 years ago,

b) resort to point scoring re an unforeseen, horrendous disaster costing some 60 odd lives,

c) resort to point scoring re any incident that would open wounds not related to any unavoidable footballing incident.

4) Show unequivocal support for any terrorist organisation from either side of the Irish troubles.

At the end of the day, these laws are designed to reel in the extremists. This is always a dangerous precedent as it brings the moderates of either side into a more extreme position. (ie once the extremists are gone the moderates are the new extremists)

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BH ffs the attacker was not charged with the obvious offence because of 'the law' and it made the Scottish judicial system a laughing stock around the world

Subs

100% agree, but before points can be deducted it would have to be spelled out in black and white, no room for 'interpretation'.
For example The Roll of Honour, should it be barred?

There has to be a common sense but visible line between freedom of expression and offence before you can take draconian measures like point-removal.

"BH ffs the attacker was not charged with the obvious offence because of 'the law' and it made the Scottish judicial system a laughing stock around the world".
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I seriously doubt folk in Burkino Faso and Bora Bora are peeing themselves over a guy who got the jail.

I overheard a lawyer in an Ouagadougou bar chuckling about the Scottish legal system and how they couldn't convict a guy caught on camera launching a punch with assault, his coconut inspired rum-punch concoction was streaming out of his nostrils as he guffawed beside me...

BH, you’ve made two facetious comments on what is a reasonably serious debate with some sensible opinions..................what’s the forward in your mindset ?

He was convicted of assault with the sectarian charge dropped.

Ath

I'd forgotten what he was charged with.

#way forward

He wasn't found guilty of assault Ath, it was a breach of the peace charge.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-14732110

Cheers, Pontius.

Thought the assault charge stayed and the sectarian charge was dropped.

It has been suggested that the "sectarian aggravation" bit muddied the waters over the assault charge. In fact the guy was willing to admit to the assault charge without the sectarian addition. Maybe the PF should have accepted that, I don't know. Wouldn't be the first time a PF made a mistake. But the guy still got the jail.

BHOYS, the guy still got the jail for the wrong offence and Scotland's legal system was shown up for what it is, pash

No corroborating evidence so had to be not guilty/proven.

Not defending the guy in any way.

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