i wouldn't want to sell to a rival personally.
sadly all clubs are run differently now days and its normally a case of the owners saying the money was too good to turn down.
should imagine everyone is probably the same but if a player who was decent was to leave the club, you hope the fecka goes abroad, its certainly less painful and less chance of them coming back to haunt you.
Sell to whoever makes the highest offer and use it to sign someone better
It depends on the situation really.
If Liverpool were 19th and Everton 2nd , and selling them our star player would give us the money to keep us up then rivalry wouldn't stop me thinking it was a good idea.
In our position with Arsenal though, where they are the rival we have most chance of getting above to get top 4, it makes no sense to sell to them, no matter the offer.
I wouldn't have sold RVP to Man Utd if I were in charge of Arsenal. I would have made him sit out his deal if necessary. They didn't need the money, and it just added fuel to the fire of them being a non winning club.
I think we would be happy to sell to a rival if they are willing to pay a premium.
You have to think about the effects of selling a player, you don't just become weaker but you also make someone else stronger.
I'd sell if I can squeeze every penny out of the deal. And if that price will stop them from buying somebody else.
I even think Rooney at £22mis worth it since he's going to decline in 2 years or so and have not been in form over the last year and a half. He's clearly not going to get better and his confidence seems to be shot.
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
The thing with Rooney is he is young enough that if he gets his mojo back he could be brilliant again for someone.
He is not an injury ravaged mess like Torres or Owen.
It's his head where the problems are, so if his new manager can get inside his head, £22m would be a steal. This is the 6th highest scorer in Premier League history, and he is still only 27.
He could conceivably be the top Prem Scorer in history by the time he retires.
Equally a guy who has spent the past few seasons putting on weight from drinking to excess every summer (and sometimes in the season) as his body deteriorates could very well be on the (physical) decline as we speak.
Last season he picked up the odd niggling injury and being a guy who needs a few weeks to get back to his best, surely the possibility that he picks up a few knocks for Chelsea and spends vast patches of the season getting fit again is a strong one?
That is of course a possibility.
That's the risk you have to weigh up.
For a team like Chelsea where money is no object he is definitely worth a punt.
wayne rooney looking fitter than ever down to possibly moving is more of a p 1 sstake than cfc bidding small IMO
similarly i think after what LFC did for suarez his attitude would wind me up more
Both playing for someone else and getting booed would be better than getting booed playing for my team TBH
Also I do think that in both situations players thought they were better than they are, I cite the lack of offers coming in for them
CFC bid quite low and arsenal only bid what they did due to some clause misunderstanding. As aplayer that would be a kick in the go nads for me
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
I don't believe we will be buying Rooney
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
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as last season showed that isnt really a big issue, it can be done despite him not because of him
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
Arsenal are the perfect example of why it is a bad idea to sell off your best and most important players. They came close to winning the league before they sold Cesc... Then, all of a sudden, the rot set in and Cliche, Ade, Nasri and RVP also wanted out. Now they will be in a major battle for 4th.
No one batted an eyelid selling on Silvestre to Arsenal, but when you are talking about one of the club's best players (Rooney or Suarez) the stakes are alot higher.
It is like a 6 pointer on a much grander scale.
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
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as last season showed that isnt really a big issue, it can be done despite him not because of him
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He still led the team in assists and was our second best scorer in the league. All this is in a season that most people claim to be his worst for us
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
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I think a few want that to be true but the facts are different. Berba stepped up when needed and RVP did last season
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
For me, when fit and played as a CF, Wayne Rooney is world class. I therefore see no advantage in selling him even if someone were to bid £40m. Moyes is already struggling to strengthen the midfield despite a massive budget so cannot see the benefit of losing Rooney to a rival and having to replace him on top of having to strengthen the midfield.
He still led the team in assists and was our second best scorer in the league. All this is in a season that most people claim to be his worst for us
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No one is denying that. However the facts are someone always steps up.
His best seasons werent best for the club in terms of PL title
I honestly believe we would be a better team without rooney. HAve always said this.
Team being built around him didnt help some of the other players, bar maybe valencia
Id have to disagree that our team has been built around Rooney Red Reason.
I actually think part of the problem for Rooney is that he has been used as almost a utility player by SAF over the years.
As a CF i would back him to get 30-35 goals for us or Chelsea next season
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
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Ridiculously close to 2 more titles.
I can't believe people will happily dismiss 8 our of 9 years of great service, just to suit their argument.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
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Ridiculously close to 2 more titles.
I can't believe people will happily dismiss 8 our of 9 years of great service, just to suit their argument.
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Exactly.
And just because he didn't have his best season last year doesn't mean he didn't play a rather large role in leading us to the title. I can remember a couple of games last season when he proved to be the difference maker. City being one of them
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
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Your 'fact' is not based on 'facts'.
I'd wager the likes of RVP, DDG, Carrick, Evra and one of Vidic-Ferdy (we can cope with the loss of one but not both, IMO).
Rooney is still a top striker but RVP has usurped him int he club. If Carrick sustains an injury - we have no capable replacements. Ditto Evra and even DDG (Lindergaard is not good enough to be a regular IMO).
Rooney is a cog - but no longer a vital cog in our machine. Other players are more vital.
"The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
I don't believe we will be buying Rooney"
I've said the exact same thing.
sorry but ridicilously close is not an argument. I dont have to ask how many goden boots rooney has won either including inhis best seasons
I also think that the team was built around rooney more than people would like to believe
FYI no one is denyinghis years of service, and no one is saying he is a sh 1 t player. Just not the messiah some think.
I fo rone think he will struggle at chelsea, as they have far better players than him
I don't think it would be the best idea selling Wayne to Chelsea as it could come back to bite us in the aris, however, one thing that seems to go overlooked is farther afield than just next season.
Rooney is now 27, on massive wages and as a footballer has been in a slow decline for a few years now.
He is not the sort of player that will be playing at the highest level into is 30's because he doesn't have the ability for it nor the fitness. RVP, as an example, probably has more years in him at the highest level than Rooney despite being two years his senior.
So from a long term point of view we have a player that is, in my opinion, coming towards the end of his career and is on huge wages and not committed to extended that beyond the two years he has left.
So what do we do? No other clubs are coming in for Rooney because he's just not as good as many people make out. If Rooney was the player people make out we'd have had more than the paltry bid from Chelsea - this tells you Rooney's standing in the game nowadays.
We have a young more talented player in Kagawa waiting to get his chance at playing in his favoured role behind the striker. From a long term point of view it'd be best to allow that to happen and for our football to evolve - something that won't happen with Rooney playing where he is as he's reminiscent of Andy Carroll at times.
And as it looks like Chelsea is his only destination the club will need to weigh up whether it's really that bad a choice to sell him to them.
We'll have to see. Rooney might go there and score loads, meaning we'd have 'handed them the title', but if it benefits us beyond just next season it may not be the end of the world.
There's no guarantees that Rooney will go there straight away and fit in. And the fact Chelsea haven't come back in with another huge bid shows that they aren't all that fussed about signing him. They also find themselves with a similar problem to what we have - a player coming towards the end of his career on big wages.
As I said, it's not ideal selling to Chelsea but for the long term benefits of our team, which I'm more concerned about, then selling Rooney could be for the best, regardless of his destination.
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posted on 2/8/13
i wouldn't want to sell to a rival personally.
sadly all clubs are run differently now days and its normally a case of the owners saying the money was too good to turn down.
should imagine everyone is probably the same but if a player who was decent was to leave the club, you hope the fecka goes abroad, its certainly less painful and less chance of them coming back to haunt you.
posted on 2/8/13
Sell to whoever makes the highest offer and use it to sign someone better
posted on 2/8/13
It depends on the situation really.
If Liverpool were 19th and Everton 2nd , and selling them our star player would give us the money to keep us up then rivalry wouldn't stop me thinking it was a good idea.
In our position with Arsenal though, where they are the rival we have most chance of getting above to get top 4, it makes no sense to sell to them, no matter the offer.
I wouldn't have sold RVP to Man Utd if I were in charge of Arsenal. I would have made him sit out his deal if necessary. They didn't need the money, and it just added fuel to the fire of them being a non winning club.
posted on 2/8/13
I think we would be happy to sell to a rival if they are willing to pay a premium.
You have to think about the effects of selling a player, you don't just become weaker but you also make someone else stronger.
posted on 2/8/13
I'd sell if I can squeeze every penny out of the deal. And if that price will stop them from buying somebody else.
I even think Rooney at £22mis worth it since he's going to decline in 2 years or so and have not been in form over the last year and a half. He's clearly not going to get better and his confidence seems to be shot.
posted on 2/8/13
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
posted on 2/8/13
The thing with Rooney is he is young enough that if he gets his mojo back he could be brilliant again for someone.
He is not an injury ravaged mess like Torres or Owen.
It's his head where the problems are, so if his new manager can get inside his head, £22m would be a steal. This is the 6th highest scorer in Premier League history, and he is still only 27.
He could conceivably be the top Prem Scorer in history by the time he retires.
posted on 2/8/13
Equally a guy who has spent the past few seasons putting on weight from drinking to excess every summer (and sometimes in the season) as his body deteriorates could very well be on the (physical) decline as we speak.
Last season he picked up the odd niggling injury and being a guy who needs a few weeks to get back to his best, surely the possibility that he picks up a few knocks for Chelsea and spends vast patches of the season getting fit again is a strong one?
posted on 2/8/13
That is of course a possibility.
That's the risk you have to weigh up.
For a team like Chelsea where money is no object he is definitely worth a punt.
posted on 2/8/13
wayne rooney looking fitter than ever down to possibly moving is more of a p 1 sstake than cfc bidding small IMO
similarly i think after what LFC did for suarez his attitude would wind me up more
Both playing for someone else and getting booed would be better than getting booed playing for my team TBH
Also I do think that in both situations players thought they were better than they are, I cite the lack of offers coming in for them
CFC bid quite low and arsenal only bid what they did due to some clause misunderstanding. As aplayer that would be a kick in the go nads for me
posted on 2/8/13
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
I don't believe we will be buying Rooney
posted on 2/8/13
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
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as last season showed that isnt really a big issue, it can be done despite him not because of him
posted on 2/8/13
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
Arsenal are the perfect example of why it is a bad idea to sell off your best and most important players. They came close to winning the league before they sold Cesc... Then, all of a sudden, the rot set in and Cliche, Ade, Nasri and RVP also wanted out. Now they will be in a major battle for 4th.
No one batted an eyelid selling on Silvestre to Arsenal, but when you are talking about one of the club's best players (Rooney or Suarez) the stakes are alot higher.
It is like a 6 pointer on a much grander scale.
posted on 2/8/13
The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
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as last season showed that isnt really a big issue, it can be done despite him not because of him
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He still led the team in assists and was our second best scorer in the league. All this is in a season that most people claim to be his worst for us
posted on 2/8/13
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
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I think a few want that to be true but the facts are different. Berba stepped up when needed and RVP did last season
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
posted on 2/8/13
For me, when fit and played as a CF, Wayne Rooney is world class. I therefore see no advantage in selling him even if someone were to bid £40m. Moyes is already struggling to strengthen the midfield despite a massive budget so cannot see the benefit of losing Rooney to a rival and having to replace him on top of having to strengthen the midfield.
posted on 2/8/13
He still led the team in assists and was our second best scorer in the league. All this is in a season that most people claim to be his worst for us
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No one is denying that. However the facts are someone always steps up.
His best seasons werent best for the club in terms of PL title
posted on 2/8/13
I honestly believe we would be a better team without rooney. HAve always said this.
Team being built around him didnt help some of the other players, bar maybe valencia
posted on 2/8/13
Id have to disagree that our team has been built around Rooney Red Reason.
I actually think part of the problem for Rooney is that he has been used as almost a utility player by SAF over the years.
As a CF i would back him to get 30-35 goals for us or Chelsea next season
posted on 2/8/13
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
---------------------------------------------
Ridiculously close to 2 more titles.
I can't believe people will happily dismiss 8 our of 9 years of great service, just to suit their argument.
posted on 2/8/13
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Facts are we as a club are not as dependent on rooney as some want to believe. His best goals tallies got us what?
---------------------------------------------
Ridiculously close to 2 more titles.
I can't believe people will happily dismiss 8 our of 9 years of great service, just to suit their argument.
---------------------------------------------
Exactly.
And just because he didn't have his best season last year doesn't mean he didn't play a rather large role in leading us to the title. I can remember a couple of games last season when he proved to be the difference maker. City being one of them
posted on 2/8/13
The fact is, Rooney is one of, if not, our best and most important player. People might want to make all sorts of statements to try and say otherwise, now they are upset.... But it is a fact.
===========================
Your 'fact' is not based on 'facts'.
I'd wager the likes of RVP, DDG, Carrick, Evra and one of Vidic-Ferdy (we can cope with the loss of one but not both, IMO).
Rooney is still a top striker but RVP has usurped him int he club. If Carrick sustains an injury - we have no capable replacements. Ditto Evra and even DDG (Lindergaard is not good enough to be a regular IMO).
Rooney is a cog - but no longer a vital cog in our machine. Other players are more vital.
posted on 2/8/13
"The team that has W Rooney in it will win the PL title.
You heard it here first!
I don't believe we will be buying Rooney"
I've said the exact same thing.
posted on 2/8/13
sorry but ridicilously close is not an argument. I dont have to ask how many goden boots rooney has won either including inhis best seasons
I also think that the team was built around rooney more than people would like to believe
FYI no one is denyinghis years of service, and no one is saying he is a sh 1 t player. Just not the messiah some think.
I fo rone think he will struggle at chelsea, as they have far better players than him
posted on 2/8/13
I don't think it would be the best idea selling Wayne to Chelsea as it could come back to bite us in the aris, however, one thing that seems to go overlooked is farther afield than just next season.
Rooney is now 27, on massive wages and as a footballer has been in a slow decline for a few years now.
He is not the sort of player that will be playing at the highest level into is 30's because he doesn't have the ability for it nor the fitness. RVP, as an example, probably has more years in him at the highest level than Rooney despite being two years his senior.
So from a long term point of view we have a player that is, in my opinion, coming towards the end of his career and is on huge wages and not committed to extended that beyond the two years he has left.
So what do we do? No other clubs are coming in for Rooney because he's just not as good as many people make out. If Rooney was the player people make out we'd have had more than the paltry bid from Chelsea - this tells you Rooney's standing in the game nowadays.
We have a young more talented player in Kagawa waiting to get his chance at playing in his favoured role behind the striker. From a long term point of view it'd be best to allow that to happen and for our football to evolve - something that won't happen with Rooney playing where he is as he's reminiscent of Andy Carroll at times.
And as it looks like Chelsea is his only destination the club will need to weigh up whether it's really that bad a choice to sell him to them.
We'll have to see. Rooney might go there and score loads, meaning we'd have 'handed them the title', but if it benefits us beyond just next season it may not be the end of the world.
There's no guarantees that Rooney will go there straight away and fit in. And the fact Chelsea haven't come back in with another huge bid shows that they aren't all that fussed about signing him. They also find themselves with a similar problem to what we have - a player coming towards the end of his career on big wages.
As I said, it's not ideal selling to Chelsea but for the long term benefits of our team, which I'm more concerned about, then selling Rooney could be for the best, regardless of his destination.
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