Fair enough righteous, just out of interest....who are these fantastic players that spurs and arsenal have and we dont?

You call me deluded, yet for every wilshere and carzola we have an equivalent who is just as good."





got_better, what you fail to understand is whilst you have bought players. We have bought better as it stands. We finished infront of you by a large margin and have improved our squad and side pretty excellently this summer. Signings like Paulinho, Chadli, Soldado and the incoming Capaoe are fantastic signings and the fact the Bale situation has calmed meaning we are possibly having him for 1 more season means you are still far behind us mate. I think every Liverpool fan can see this apart from you ............You talk like Aspas and Mignolet are world beaters when clearly they are not. Yes they are decent players but is Mignolet any better than Reina? I don't really think so. Is Aspas really as good as you keep going on about?

I see your points there don however I must jump in there and say we started improving in January... I would say from Jan there was very little between Spurs and Liverpool last season.. One would say yes you have strengthend since then and so have we.. We might still sign one or two more.. Then even if let's say you had a slightly better team your club also has to play in the Europa next season and we all know your manager is going to try and win it this extra damand might prove the difference... The better team doesn't always end up higher in the league look at last season City were arguably better than united player for player yet united ran away with the league..

coutinho, agreed there mate but just because you were on par with us in the 2nd half of the season it dosen't mean you will suddenly be competing with us for 4th. I'm not saying you won't by the way but i still feel we are a better side than you and more likely to get in the top 4. Do i think you will challenge top 4 for a while?? yes i do. But i think you will start to fizzle out later on and don't think currently you are strong enough to get top 4

Don...I sense decent debating betwee us this year. You raise good points about spur signings, but I do believe people are using last season as a barometer of where lfc are; this is misplaced as the team has changed significantly and we do have a lot of players fit and with a pre-season behind the for once.

Id say, spurs and lfc are pretty much evens at the mo while maybe arsenal are a tad behind.....depe ds who they signmof course

I think with sturridge and suarez we have the best strike force in the fight for 4th, I also believe we have the best midfielder in coutinho, we will see pretty soon; and I will be PISSD if we dont sit top of the table after 1 game

I personally would still have Bale and Soldado over Suarez and Sturridge. I also think a lot of people would agree with me there. Coutinho is a great little prospect mate but best midfielder? Surely you don't mean in the premiership?

Spurs are much better atm as they've made very good signings this summer. We do need a minimum of 2 signings.

It all depends on how Soldado adapts. I think he'll do very well but he could be another Morientes.

We both have better strike forces than Arsenal at least

Not in the league, best attacking mf out of top 4....although maybe this season he could be up there as the best, could be.

Why would you have Soldado over Suarez, he's just left Spain for the first time and never played in the premier league before. Suarez scored 30 goals last season despite being suspended for a good bit! GB goes a bit far with the "we've strengthened well" but you've done the same thing by claiming you have improved excellently .

The signings you've made have the potential to be very good but let's have a look.

Paulinho - never played in the premier league and the last time he did venture out of brazil he lasted on season in a backward league and went running back.

Capoue - young French player? Well no actually, he's 25 and only played for France 5 times and was wanted by Cardiff!

Soldado - £26m for a 28 year old who'll have no resale value and has only scored more than 20 league goals in a season once?

Chadli - looks like a very good player coming from the Dutch league but so did Alonso Alves!

Whilst the signings you've made could well turn out to be very good ones you don't know that for sure and you'll have to wait and see, just like us and the signings we've made but don't come on here and tell a Liverpool fan not be think the players they've signed aren't good when your doing the same thing yourself in bugging up players your own team has signed yet they're still to play in the league!

G_B you're really underestimating Arsenal attacking abilities.

They have Cazorla, Rosicky, Chamberlain and Wilshere who are very good CM/ ATM. We just have Coutinho and Alberto (you could add Henderson). They're far better than us in that position.

The only position you could say we could compete is forward. We have Suarez, Sturridge, Aspas and Borini, while they have Giroude, Podolski and Walcott.

If we add one more forward we'd be ahead of both Spurs and Arsenal in attacking/forward area. We also need an ALB (attacking left back).

Why would you have Soldado over Suarez, he's just left Spain for the first time and never played in the premier league before. Suarez scored 30 goals last season despite being suspended for a good bit"






Mate no offence but read properly. I clearly stated i would rather hav e Soldado and BALE as a striking pair than Liverpool's Suarez and Sturridge. Got_better was saying how strong Liverpools strikeforce are in comparison to Arsenal and Spurs but i then went onto say that i would still prefer Bale and Soldado. I think many people would agree with me.

Kolo "The signings you've made have the potential to be very good but let's have a look.

Paulinho - never played in the premier league and the last time he did venture out of brazil he lasted on season in a backward league and went running back."




Well that's probably because he was racially abused during his time Nothing to do with his ability. As proved at the confederations cup.....he is a quality player.



Kolo "Capoue - young French player? Well no actually, he's 25 and only played for France 5 times and was wanted by Cardiff"



Literally just turned 25 so still very young. City payed 35million for Fernandinho who also has 5 caps for Brazil, your point is?



Kolo "Soldado - £26m for a 28 year old who'll have no resale value and has only scored more than 20 league goals in a season once?"




Apart from Messi and Ronaldo.............Soldado has consistently been up there as La Ligas top scoreres along with Negredo for over 4 years now


Kolo "Chadli - looks like a very good player coming from the Dutch league but so did Alonso Alves!"




Ok let's just forget RVP, Ruud van Niselrooy, Arjen Robben, Wesley Sneider, Rafael Van der Vaart, Stam, Jan Vertonghen.....and many many more fantastic players that have come from the dutch league and proved successful.



My point is that your signings are hardly world beaters and although i'm not saying ours are........i think most sane football supporters can see that players like Soldado, Paulino and Capaoe are a lot more exciting than Aspas, Mignolet and Alberto............

and Kolo if were going to nit pick at signings then i will start with yours in the same fashion you did with spurs signings......




Aspas....26 years old ,no spanish cap to his name which granted is hard due to spains excellent group of players but Soldado has caps to his name and features every now and then. Aspas has 1 seasons experience in the top league La Liga as most his career he has played in the division below and even then only scored 12 goals in La Liga.


Alberto .... who?? Good prospect but apart from playing for a few spanish B teams, what has he achieved???


Mignolet ......yes great season but is he really a big improvement on Reina?? I don't think so somehow.


So in all i really don't find your signings that fantastic and feel ours are better. Hence why i believe you won't get top 4. Like i say, you will challenge for a bit then fizzle out in my opinion.

Utter utter delusion to think we are anywhere near spurs at the moment

Cmon lads your smarter than that .... Fsg have trimmed the fat thus window (so far) and we need 3+4 more good signings to compete for a European football

I will be super annoyed if we lumber home in 7th or 8th ...buck has got to start delivering this season in the premiership

I think they are working hard to get eriksen and alderwield, and if they get those will have a good young squad. I think BR will want to start like a train to get early momentum and without europe really focus on the league,think that if the start is not very good it will be a dissappointing season again.

But if early momentum is achieved it could snowball into a special season.

Fair enough righteous, just out of interest....who are these fantastic players that spurs and arsenal have and we dont?

You call me deluded, yet for every wilshere and carzola we have an equivalent who is just as good.

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It's the same as always GB, over egging our own players and underestimating the others.

Neither Arsenal nor Spurs are amazing teams, but they are better than us.

They have proved it the last 3 or 4 seasons, and we haven't strengthened enough so far to close that gap.

Of the three Spurs have bought the best players (although not necessarily in the positions they need, they need better defenders but seem to want to have 100 midfielders instead).

Did last season teach you nothing? Even in March you were still going on about how Spurs were rubbish and we would catch them.

You just can't seem to accept that Spurs have a good squad. It's like a mental block.

Arsenal have finished above us for 4 straight seasons, yet you claim we have players as good as theirs. We don't, that's why they finish above us.

I can already see you are going to spouting the same drivel all season as you were last, and when we are 10 points behind in March you will still be spouting the same drivel about how they are not that good and we can catch them if we just win our last 10 games.

The point I'm making Don is that whilst your signings do look good none of them have ever played in the prem, they'll take time to settle.

Soldado scored 24 league goals last season in a top team.

Aspas scored 14 league goal in a team struggling at the bottom and he played from the left at times.

For me Tottenham have only over filled in positions that they where already very good in, yes you got Soldado and I do think he'll be good but he'll take time to settle!

Righteous, absolute spot on


Got_better, this is the reason you get so much stick mate. You never learn from your lesson. Every season you come out with the same thing. Just go with the flow and see how the season pans out instead of consistently trying to drum into everyone about how you have improved and will break the top 4. Most Liverpool fans are pretty realistic and believe you have certainly improved but are still a little way off finishing top 4, Shame your in the minority. It's also the fact that you play down other teams whilst making out Liverpool awe better that makes people get annoyed at you aswell.

Coutinho, I fully agree re: Enrique but totally disagree with your views on Allen. While Jose seems to have regressed, esp on the Far East Tour, he has been one of our poorest players, Joe has ran his buns off for the team, he is as different as chalk is to cheese when compared to last season. This season I expect far greater things from him and I hope he will deliver.
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we really have to spend in the next few weeks. our main rivals spurs have added £50m worth of talent to their squad this summer without losing anybody. we haven't invested any money other than the money from sales so far and we've got some big earners off the books. now is the time to invest

1. spurs... in case nobodys looked spurs have done amazingly well by selling to buy they've spend a huge amount and NEED to sell bale and real know it. you are looking a the spurs for 4th already ut not much more coming in.

2. LFC have loads and loads of room for quality but are selling to buy and frankly rodgers said the same on aug 31 last year. There are no sure things and unfortunately we are getting turned down left and right

3. LFC have a hit lis tof players to sell. downing is just the next one on it if you are >50k per week you are on the list so watch this space. skertl, henderson, jonhson and even agger are at risk. its all about having a buyer.

I've got to agree with other sentiments on here.

Considering that we have sold players and not brought anyone in of real note I'm a little worried that we'll finish nearer Everton.

Spurs have Lloris who is a fantastic keeper. Vertongen is a very good CB. Dembele, Sandro and Paulinho although lacking a bit of goalscoring tekkers are all strong, mobile and made for the Premier league. Dembele would get in any side in this league.

Throw in Bale and Soldado and they're looking strong. Lennon is capable as is Chadli. Their system means they won't keep very many clean sheets IMO and their full backs are pash.

Arsenal have loads of eperience through the team. In Wilshere and Cazorla they have, in my opinion, two of the best technical midfielders in the league.

Walcott got 14 goals and 10 assists. Podolski has been round the block and the defence, although not individually blessed with talent, work well in partnerships. Their weak point was a DM and they're geting Gustavo and if they get a striker of the quality of Suarez they'll be miles away from us. I suspect Giroud will have a better season anyway.

Ibe, Aspas, Alberto and Sterling have acheived precisely nothing so far and they're is no way they will perform above the level of the players listed for other teams above.

We may lose Agger. We may not have Suarez.

This LFC team is very short on genuine proven talent and has little experience. I don't think we'll see us sign two big players as mentioned either.

I've heard from a very reliable sauce that FSG have released the funds for Rodgers to make a marquee signing:

curlew.co.uk/

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