you must be very young dude lol...................
Well 23!
Our strongest 11 ATM
Camp ( good championship)
McCauley (good championship)
Evans (solid prem)
Hughes ( solid prem)
Mc cartney (good championship)
Davis (v good Scottish)
Baird (solid prem)
Clingan (solid champ)
Brunt ( quality prem)
Lafferty (good Scottish
Ward ( good champ)
With a whole host of decent other players in back up not to mention the catholic boys that mighta played under diff manager
With a whole host of decent other players in back up not to mention the catholic boys that mighta played under diff manager
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No harm mate bur you’re deluding yourself if think that it's a religious matter. It a Nationalistic exodus pure and simple. The Pope himself could manage NI and it wouldn't stop players switching. Funny enough though it’s a delusion the IFA seem to share:
The IFA is today due to appoint 1982 World Cup hero Gerry Armstrong to the role of international player liaison officer, with one of his main tasks being to keep young players in the fold. "Playing for Northern Ireland is a great honour - we need to make sure players realise that from a young age," Armstrong said in the Belfast Telegraph. "I'm disappointed in James' decision but maybe this could be one of those scenarios where I intervene. Ultimately it will be Nigel's decision."
If their thinking is that Gerry is a Catholic therefore he should be able to persuade Catholics not to switch then they are barking up the wrong tree and even more out of touch with the Nationalist community than I thought.
Mayb so mayb not! That not really my point... Nigel is losing players to roi (prob not his fault) BUT he is not picking the best players!!! I think out squad and team are good enough to push for qualification! That's my debate ignore mc clean and passport rule please
CP:
You seem awfully confident that there is going to be a general exodus of RC players from the NI fold. Especially when the latest survey showed that 54% of such people are in favour of NI being in the UK!
Even if this is an exaggeration, there can be no doubt that substantial numbers of the RC community are basically Unionists with a small "u" even though they may not actually, for a variety of reasons, vote for any of the Unionist parties.
Camp - unproven at international level.
McAuley (WBA Premier League now) - solid at full back but not really going to offer anything going forward, better CB.
Evans - only the charity shield but he at least looked he more like the player who showed such potential a few years back.
Hughes - good defender.
McCartney - retired.
Should be a hard enough defence to score against and tbf you don't concede an awful lot of goals usually.
Davis - one of the best in Scotland no doubt but most of your average Eastern European teams you come up against will one or two players in the middle of the park as good as if not better on the ball than he is. Stands out in Scotland because he‘s a good technical player but good technique is pretty much a given for non-British & Irish teams in international football.
Baird - as you say solid, but he isn’t going to offer an attacking threat.
Clingan - takes a decent set piece but isn‘t ever going to pull up trees.
Frankly, that trio wouldn’t scare anybody.
Brunt - really good player but NI supporters regularly say he doesn’t do it in the green shirt. Perhaps that’s because he doesn’t get enough of the ball due to his team-mates not being good enough?
Lafferty - finished last season strongly at Rangers but still has a lot to prove.
Ward - plays for a team who were nearly relegated from the Championship, still a lot to prove.
So that’s your best 11? How often does an international manager get to pick his 1st choice 11? Rarely, but even if he did that team is solid but unspectacular at best. Better than Wothington can get them to perform yes, but qualifiers? Couldn’t see it.
You seem awfully confident that there is going to be a general exodus of RC players from the NI fold.
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No Shen, the point I was making is that players are switching because they grow up supporting Ireland. It has nothing to do with their religion. But yeah, I'm confident that the better players who grow up supporting the Republic will continue to switch regardless of who the IFA appoint as 'international player liaison officer' or manager.
Mindnumbingly boring all this nonsense, so he doesn't want to play for us thats fair enough he's made his mind up & you have to respect that,least he had the balls to let Worthington know unlike some of the others,at the end of the day I want boys who want to play for us not boys who feel they have to
CP:
We've been thru this before, Im not using RC in the religious sense, but rather as the most convenient label for their background.--- You cant use "Rep/Nat" cos they arent all Rep/Nat. You cant use "Unionist/Loyalist" cos relatively few of them would fit that bill, I think. You cant use "Native Irish" cos even a casual glance at their surnames(eg. Gibson, Wilson, Ferguson, McClean, etc.) suggests that this is not the case for many of them, Penal Laws or not! In the circumstances RC seems best because the one thing that they nearly all share in common is an RC upbringing. The Catholic church doesnt mess around and ensures it carefully shepherds its "own" from a very early age! What is it the Jesuits say, "Give me a child for 6 years!"
I would say that the RC players who switch are basically those who grow up in certain hardline areas, eg. Derry, S.Armagh, Lurgan, West/North Belfast, etc. I wouldnt be so sure about those in Bangor, Newcastle, Enniskillen, etc.
Gerry Armstrong is a decent man by any standards and his views should be respected, whether you agree with them or not!
Let's not talk about catholic or not! Not
The point of the article. Wards done it wherever he has been... Feel out with shef uniteds manager and super derby after January. Mc cartney has retired but that was my point about nigel. Not always 1st 11 but Nigel never gets 1st 11! Y... Players aren't motivated.
Beyond 1st 11 every position has
Cover bar keeper
Cathcart
Sorry finger happy
Cathcart. Hodson. Baird
Evans. Mc court. Sproule.
Patterson
Relax lads. Its only the Faroes. Yes they can be tricky at home but as per article from earlier today they've lost 17 away matches in a row going all the way back to 2004!!
I will eat my hat and my coat as well if the North fail to beat this team of part-timers.
The thing is Nigel has always done this, there has been a selection of players he never gives a go, dean shiels springs to mind first for me. I think the sooner Nigel goes the better
Sproule for me! The annoying is there is also players he constantly keeps in the squad regardless of how they r playing!
"Goodbye Nigel you must leave us
Farewell Nigel Time to go!"
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posted on 8/8/11
you must be very young dude lol...................
posted on 8/8/11
Well 23!
Our strongest 11 ATM
Camp ( good championship)
McCauley (good championship)
Evans (solid prem)
Hughes ( solid prem)
Mc cartney (good championship)
Davis (v good Scottish)
Baird (solid prem)
Clingan (solid champ)
Brunt ( quality prem)
Lafferty (good Scottish
Ward ( good champ)
With a whole host of decent other players in back up not to mention the catholic boys that mighta played under diff manager
posted on 8/8/11
With a whole host of decent other players in back up not to mention the catholic boys that mighta played under diff manager
------------------------------------------
No harm mate bur you’re deluding yourself if think that it's a religious matter. It a Nationalistic exodus pure and simple. The Pope himself could manage NI and it wouldn't stop players switching. Funny enough though it’s a delusion the IFA seem to share:
The IFA is today due to appoint 1982 World Cup hero Gerry Armstrong to the role of international player liaison officer, with one of his main tasks being to keep young players in the fold. "Playing for Northern Ireland is a great honour - we need to make sure players realise that from a young age," Armstrong said in the Belfast Telegraph. "I'm disappointed in James' decision but maybe this could be one of those scenarios where I intervene. Ultimately it will be Nigel's decision."
If their thinking is that Gerry is a Catholic therefore he should be able to persuade Catholics not to switch then they are barking up the wrong tree and even more out of touch with the Nationalist community than I thought.
posted on 8/8/11
Mayb so mayb not! That not really my point... Nigel is losing players to roi (prob not his fault) BUT he is not picking the best players!!! I think out squad and team are good enough to push for qualification! That's my debate ignore mc clean and passport rule please
posted on 8/8/11
CP:
You seem awfully confident that there is going to be a general exodus of RC players from the NI fold. Especially when the latest survey showed that 54% of such people are in favour of NI being in the UK!
Even if this is an exaggeration, there can be no doubt that substantial numbers of the RC community are basically Unionists with a small "u" even though they may not actually, for a variety of reasons, vote for any of the Unionist parties.
posted on 8/8/11
Camp - unproven at international level.
McAuley (WBA Premier League now) - solid at full back but not really going to offer anything going forward, better CB.
Evans - only the charity shield but he at least looked he more like the player who showed such potential a few years back.
Hughes - good defender.
McCartney - retired.
Should be a hard enough defence to score against and tbf you don't concede an awful lot of goals usually.
Davis - one of the best in Scotland no doubt but most of your average Eastern European teams you come up against will one or two players in the middle of the park as good as if not better on the ball than he is. Stands out in Scotland because he‘s a good technical player but good technique is pretty much a given for non-British & Irish teams in international football.
Baird - as you say solid, but he isn’t going to offer an attacking threat.
Clingan - takes a decent set piece but isn‘t ever going to pull up trees.
Frankly, that trio wouldn’t scare anybody.
Brunt - really good player but NI supporters regularly say he doesn’t do it in the green shirt. Perhaps that’s because he doesn’t get enough of the ball due to his team-mates not being good enough?
Lafferty - finished last season strongly at Rangers but still has a lot to prove.
Ward - plays for a team who were nearly relegated from the Championship, still a lot to prove.
So that’s your best 11? How often does an international manager get to pick his 1st choice 11? Rarely, but even if he did that team is solid but unspectacular at best. Better than Wothington can get them to perform yes, but qualifiers? Couldn’t see it.
posted on 8/8/11
You seem awfully confident that there is going to be a general exodus of RC players from the NI fold.
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No Shen, the point I was making is that players are switching because they grow up supporting Ireland. It has nothing to do with their religion. But yeah, I'm confident that the better players who grow up supporting the Republic will continue to switch regardless of who the IFA appoint as 'international player liaison officer' or manager.
posted on 8/8/11
Mindnumbingly boring all this nonsense, so he doesn't want to play for us thats fair enough he's made his mind up & you have to respect that,least he had the balls to let Worthington know unlike some of the others,at the end of the day I want boys who want to play for us not boys who feel they have to
posted on 8/8/11
CP:
We've been thru this before, Im not using RC in the religious sense, but rather as the most convenient label for their background.--- You cant use "Rep/Nat" cos they arent all Rep/Nat. You cant use "Unionist/Loyalist" cos relatively few of them would fit that bill, I think. You cant use "Native Irish" cos even a casual glance at their surnames(eg. Gibson, Wilson, Ferguson, McClean, etc.) suggests that this is not the case for many of them, Penal Laws or not! In the circumstances RC seems best because the one thing that they nearly all share in common is an RC upbringing. The Catholic church doesnt mess around and ensures it carefully shepherds its "own" from a very early age! What is it the Jesuits say, "Give me a child for 6 years!"
I would say that the RC players who switch are basically those who grow up in certain hardline areas, eg. Derry, S.Armagh, Lurgan, West/North Belfast, etc. I wouldnt be so sure about those in Bangor, Newcastle, Enniskillen, etc.
Gerry Armstrong is a decent man by any standards and his views should be respected, whether you agree with them or not!
posted on 8/8/11
Let's not talk about catholic or not! Not
The point of the article. Wards done it wherever he has been... Feel out with shef uniteds manager and super derby after January. Mc cartney has retired but that was my point about nigel. Not always 1st 11 but Nigel never gets 1st 11! Y... Players aren't motivated.
Beyond 1st 11 every position has
Cover bar keeper
Cathcart
posted on 8/8/11
Sorry finger happy
Cathcart. Hodson. Baird
Evans. Mc court. Sproule.
Patterson
posted on 9/8/11
Relax lads. Its only the Faroes. Yes they can be tricky at home but as per article from earlier today they've lost 17 away matches in a row going all the way back to 2004!!
I will eat my hat and my coat as well if the North fail to beat this team of part-timers.
posted on 9/8/11
The thing is Nigel has always done this, there has been a selection of players he never gives a go, dean shiels springs to mind first for me. I think the sooner Nigel goes the better
posted on 9/8/11
Sproule for me! The annoying is there is also players he constantly keeps in the squad regardless of how they r playing!
posted on 9/8/11
"Goodbye Nigel you must leave us
Farewell Nigel Time to go!"
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