Poll has it spot on.
Torres by far the bigger that game, coupled with a snidey girl gouge.
Jose deflecting from any questions about his team (like why did Mata not play the whole game etc) .
This like all other diving, play acting this will be forgotten about in a few games time, the FA don't care retrospectively
He's spot on about Mourinho creating a smokescreen, he'll be more than aware of the girly gouge and its potential repercussions. Painting Vertonghen as the villain is a very cynical way of trying to reduce any possible ban.
handed out, it was fair, Torres will probably get it taken away, move on
Torres started it, and Verty ensured he kept his far from the line.
Take your ban, Torres, and learn from it.
You might think Maureen would come out and say Torres shouldn't have gouged Verty what with 32 cameras spread around the ground rather than focus on the second yellow.
Professional football is a bit like cyber bullying at times. Keyboard 'warriors' slag off others from the relative safety of their office or living room while players like Torres, who in fairness, looks like he wouldn't say boo to a goose, gouges a player knowing the worst that will happen to him is a fine and a suspension. Perhaps Torres should think, if this were Hackney marshes on a Sunday morning and I'd like to keep my teeth, should I be gouging this geyser? We all know what the answer is. In legal terms Torres committed assault. None of us want the old bill to intervene (do they?) but the FA should very clearly be treating Torres's actions as such and Maureen's poor attempt at misdirection should be kept to the changing room.
Lots of things wrong in that challenge:
Torres jumps into Vertonghen, leading with his arm and turns his back on the challenge .
Vertonghen, who wins the ball, makes a standing jump, arms raised for leverage in the usual way. It is only his arms that protect him from Torres' leading arm.
Both fall to the floor holding their heads..presumably Verts to kids the ref he got an elbow and Torres because he probably felt guilty and was trying to avoid a booking
OR alternatively, and something not considered by anyone....TORRES was trying to get Vertonghen (already booked) sent off.
It was a foul, it was late on Vertonghen, he won the ball. Regardless of elbows, it was a forceful clumsy late challenge and probably deserved a booking...and given Torres' aggressive attitude in the 2nd half you cannot blame the ref for reaching the conclusion he did regarding the intent of the challenge.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-2436540-18580CD300000578-621_634x444.jpg
I think the BBC have a lot to answer for in this whole sorry row.
Through a toe cringing interviewer they gave great prominence to the Chelsea manager, giving him 3 times as long on the match report video as they gave to AVB and did not once ask him about the face gouging incident.
And they gave much more prominence to this video over the coming 24 hours on their front page, and even now it is the lead story on the Tottenham page of the BBC website. All with misleading headlines giving the impression that, without doubt, Vertonghen is guilty of actions that are a "disgrace".
This sucking up to certain teams and certain personalities in the game has got to stop, and as the matter is subject to FA investigation should be subject to the same rules of comment of cases in law that are subject to judicial review.
However, Vertonghen went down with the intent of conning the ref to get Torres sent off.
Serial, you really cannot be serious can you? How do you know what Verthongen's intentions were? Only he knows.
However I do not think that Torres deserved to be booked for that particular incident. The key point is that he should not have been on the pitch after doing the scratching & pressing his thumb into Verts face. That was a straight in anyone's book.
By the way, at least Townsend has come out & admitted he dived and apologised to both the referee & fans alike! Just waiting for an Arsenal player to do similar................................................
"By the way, at least Townsend has come out & admitted he dived and apologised to both the referee & fans alike! Just waiting for an Arsenal player to do similar.."
I think youre expecting way too much from Pires...
I thought Torres went in a bit dirtily on Dembele in the immediate challenge before the Vertonghen one.
Looked like he was going with his elbow on Mousa a little, then as it broke to Vertonghen he saw his chance to 'do' Jan at a run. Jan was a bit to clever for him though
If you watch the footage of the full Torres challenge you will see Torres arm appears to catch Vertonghen in the head as they both land. There was nothing intentional in that part, but thats why Vertonghen was rubbing his head
http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2013/09/28/video-fernando-torres-red-card-vs-tottenham-2013-sent-off-spurs-chelsea-september/
Anybody who thinks that Torres had no intent on that challenge is a damned idiot and thats that.
By all means try to wind opposition fans up but dont make yourself look a total plank while you do it its plain embarrassing.
Torres should have marched for the gouge and deserved a 2nd yellow for the jump full stop. Anybody who does not see that or claims otherwise is simply an idiot or a liar.
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posted on 30/9/13
Poll has it spot on.
Torres by far the bigger that game, coupled with a snidey girl gouge.
Jose deflecting from any questions about his team (like why did Mata not play the whole game etc) .
posted on 30/9/13
This like all other diving, play acting this will be forgotten about in a few games time, the FA don't care retrospectively
posted on 30/9/13
He's spot on about Mourinho creating a smokescreen, he'll be more than aware of the girly gouge and its potential repercussions. Painting Vertonghen as the villain is a very cynical way of trying to reduce any possible ban.
posted on 30/9/13
handed out, it was fair, Torres will probably get it taken away, move on
posted on 30/9/13
Torres started it, and Verty ensured he kept his far from the line.
Take your ban, Torres, and learn from it.
posted on 30/9/13
You might think Maureen would come out and say Torres shouldn't have gouged Verty what with 32 cameras spread around the ground rather than focus on the second yellow.
Professional football is a bit like cyber bullying at times. Keyboard 'warriors' slag off others from the relative safety of their office or living room while players like Torres, who in fairness, looks like he wouldn't say boo to a goose, gouges a player knowing the worst that will happen to him is a fine and a suspension. Perhaps Torres should think, if this were Hackney marshes on a Sunday morning and I'd like to keep my teeth, should I be gouging this geyser? We all know what the answer is. In legal terms Torres committed assault. None of us want the old bill to intervene (do they?) but the FA should very clearly be treating Torres's actions as such and Maureen's poor attempt at misdirection should be kept to the changing room.
posted on 30/9/13
Lots of things wrong in that challenge:
Torres jumps into Vertonghen, leading with his arm and turns his back on the challenge .
Vertonghen, who wins the ball, makes a standing jump, arms raised for leverage in the usual way. It is only his arms that protect him from Torres' leading arm.
Both fall to the floor holding their heads..presumably Verts to kids the ref he got an elbow and Torres because he probably felt guilty and was trying to avoid a booking
OR alternatively, and something not considered by anyone....TORRES was trying to get Vertonghen (already booked) sent off.
It was a foul, it was late on Vertonghen, he won the ball. Regardless of elbows, it was a forceful clumsy late challenge and probably deserved a booking...and given Torres' aggressive attitude in the 2nd half you cannot blame the ref for reaching the conclusion he did regarding the intent of the challenge.
posted on 30/9/13
Devonshire
posted on 30/9/13
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-2436540-18580CD300000578-621_634x444.jpg
posted on 30/9/13
I think the BBC have a lot to answer for in this whole sorry row.
Through a toe cringing interviewer they gave great prominence to the Chelsea manager, giving him 3 times as long on the match report video as they gave to AVB and did not once ask him about the face gouging incident.
And they gave much more prominence to this video over the coming 24 hours on their front page, and even now it is the lead story on the Tottenham page of the BBC website. All with misleading headlines giving the impression that, without doubt, Vertonghen is guilty of actions that are a "disgrace".
This sucking up to certain teams and certain personalities in the game has got to stop, and as the matter is subject to FA investigation should be subject to the same rules of comment of cases in law that are subject to judicial review.
posted on 30/9/13
However, Vertonghen went down with the intent of conning the ref to get Torres sent off.
Serial, you really cannot be serious can you? How do you know what Verthongen's intentions were? Only he knows.
However I do not think that Torres deserved to be booked for that particular incident. The key point is that he should not have been on the pitch after doing the scratching & pressing his thumb into Verts face. That was a straight in anyone's book.
By the way, at least Townsend has come out & admitted he dived and apologised to both the referee & fans alike! Just waiting for an Arsenal player to do similar................................................
posted on 30/9/13
Cazorla
posted on 30/9/13
"By the way, at least Townsend has come out & admitted he dived and apologised to both the referee & fans alike! Just waiting for an Arsenal player to do similar.."
I think youre expecting way too much from Pires...
posted on 30/9/13
I thought Torres went in a bit dirtily on Dembele in the immediate challenge before the Vertonghen one.
Looked like he was going with his elbow on Mousa a little, then as it broke to Vertonghen he saw his chance to 'do' Jan at a run. Jan was a bit to clever for him though
posted on 30/9/13
If you watch the footage of the full Torres challenge you will see Torres arm appears to catch Vertonghen in the head as they both land. There was nothing intentional in that part, but thats why Vertonghen was rubbing his head
http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2013/09/28/video-fernando-torres-red-card-vs-tottenham-2013-sent-off-spurs-chelsea-september/
posted on 1/10/13
Anybody who thinks that Torres had no intent on that challenge is a damned idiot and thats that.
By all means try to wind opposition fans up but dont make yourself look a total plank while you do it its plain embarrassing.
Torres should have marched for the gouge and deserved a 2nd yellow for the jump full stop. Anybody who does not see that or claims otherwise is simply an idiot or a liar.
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