Shorter odds than back to back relegations H&H and we managed that!

Relegation doesn't worry us wolfies

Just picked up on this article having not been online for a couple of days. Not refreshing our squad in the Premier League was the reason we did not progress up that league but it was not the reason we went into freefall as was the question asked. After all we were still level with the team 16th in the Premier League when McCarthy left so all that had happened up till then is that we had not progressed.

What happened since was freefall with three appalling managerial appointments, with Connor securing our relegation from the Premier League, Solbakken taking a squad that were favourites to win promotion adding £13m of his own players and taking us to 18th and getting worse every week, and then Saunders not being able to arrest the decline.

As for us getting promoted from the Championship next season, in a way I don't think its a concern right now cause we just must get out of League One this season and that is the only priority for Jackett who has done well to turn us round from a team in the habit of losing to a team in the habit of winnng..

If I was to take a view on whether we are developing a team that could get promoted again next next season, my opinion right now would be no. But I hope I am proved wrong. The way to get successive promotions is to have a young team that can grow as the team goes up. I think we have some good youngsters but the players that Jackett has brought in are to me good for the short term only. I think Ricketts, McDonald, Golbourne, Henry are players that can help us get out of this division but are not of the standard that will help us get a team good enough for promotion to the Premier League. And come next summer for us to get successive promotions I think we will need to replace all of these plus the likes of Stearman, Sigurdarson, Foley, Elokobi, Edwards to have a squad good enough to get promoted from the Championship. And we have to wait and see whether Jackett has what it takes to put a team together that will be good enough at that level.

If you completed the answer it read that everything else that followed was a knock on effect of not refreshing the squad well.
Mick lost his job on the back of it, Stale failed to utilise the transfer market well and wound up using predominantly those same players that were already done.

One reason i can come up Tats is that football is in fact going backwards, the quality is poorer overall these days with very average players spread throughout the champo and even the prem.

Rubbish

Everything else that followed was a result of poor managerial appointments. McCarthy, Jackett, Bruce and many others would have done infinitely better than the loony Solbakken and the incompetent Saunders.

And the standards of the Premier League and Championship are not declining. And the average standard of player is average as it always has been. That's what the word average means

Amazing that you think that effectively not changing a squad for 4 years will have zero effect on performances.

Even the greatest teams on earth change things constantly, once you have a set of players who basically have no competitors for a starting place performances invariably drop.
As i say, what came after was a direct result of our failings in the transfer market which ultimately led to our manager losing his job. 15 points in 23 games is a clear sign of this.

When are you going to wake from this coma you went into 18 months ago? The question being asked is why did Wolves go into a freefall that ended in League One. Your argument is entirely about why we struggled to rise up the Premier League table. The reason we are in league one is because of the appalling managerial tenures of Solbakken and Saunders. The team we went into the Championship with were made favourites to win that division and Solbakken then added £13m of his own 'talent' to that.

Any manager of any ability would have taken the McCarthy squad plus £13m of their own players and walked back to the Premier League. But the two clowns we appointed took us to League One.

I give up, its like arguing with a wall.
The question asked was why we went into freefall, even you believe the reason was losing Mick and winding up with poor managers.
Why did we lose Mick?
Because of terrible transfer dealings for 3 years in the prem and barely any squad strengthening, therefore everything that has followed is a direct result of those failings

Sitting in my armchair with my and and enjoying the show. It's gonna be a as usual.

I give up, its like arguing with a wall.

Was that comment to yourself or me?

As I said the team we went down with were favourires for the Championship and we added £13m of talent to that and ended up in League One because of the 'managers' we appointed.

Therefore we would not have gone into freefall at all if we had appointed a decent manager to replace McCarthy, or even stuck with McCarthy, but we didn't appoint anyone decent we appointed Connor, Solbakken and Saunders who were all useless

comment by Cinciwolf (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
I give up, its like arguing with a wall.
The question asked was why we went into freefall, even you believe the reason was losing Mick and winding up with poor managers.
Why did we lose Mick?
Because of terrible transfer dealings for 3 years in the prem and barely any squad strengthening, therefore everything that has followed is a direct result of those failings



Extending the argument backwards like that is a bit bogus Cinci.
“why did we go into freefall when he left?”
“because he didn’t sign the right players in the Prem”
Is like saying...
“why did we go into freefall when he left?”
“because he got us into the Prem, we’d never have been relegated from it if hadn’t of got us promoted to it and if we hadn’t been relegated from the Prem we probably wouldn’t have been relegated from the Championship, bleedin McCarthy”
Or
“why did we go into freefall when he left?”
“because Hoddle left, we’d never have appointed Mick if Hoddle hadn’t walked and then we wouldn’t have gone up so we couldn’t have come down, bleedin Hoddle”

You could extend it all the way back to 1877 if you wanted.

I find it incredible that anyone still thinks the players had nothing to do with the mess of the last few seasons.
We have seen how good the players we relied on are this season, Doyle aside none of them can hold down a place at our club in division 1 and several have shown improvement since leaving.
The point being, we allowed the squad to stagnate, that is not healthy.
Maybe the appokntments were poor, no doubt. But the one constant is the players we retained when we should not have done.
Stale is guilty of not shipping those same failures out of the club and suffered also as a result.

Hey cyp? You wanted mick sacked at the time, what was your reasoning?

All these failures are now playing in the Championship. Why? Because they are unquestionably good enough for that level. We had a group of players that were and are more than good enough for the Championship and we added £13m of players to that. And yet Solbakken and Saunders could not get results.

Solbakken is guilty of poor management - full stop. His team's played appalling football. He kept picking players that he said didn't understand what he wanted. And the players he brought in have bar one proved to be a waste of money. And he took us down to 18th and we were getting worse by the week. Tell me something positive about Solbakken's time at Wolves other than the signing of Sako

Of course the players shoulder some of the blame Cinci but you weren’t blaming the players you were blaming the bloke who didn’t replace them between us going up and Feb 2012.
It’s not a players fault if the squad “stagnates” it’s the managers fault.
Stale inherited a squad plenty good enough to compete last season, was given a sizeable amount to strengthen, free rein to promote from within and control over who came in and who went out within budget constraints.
He failed. Time to start blaming his failure on him not a bloke who’d been out of the club for six months by the time we kicked off last season.
If Stale couldn’t control those players he should have dropped them.
If they couldn’t deliver his master plan (whatever the hell that was) it was up to him to change them or change his plan.

I'm not defending solbakken?!?

As i said, they are playing in the champo for new clubs, refreshed, revitalized etc etc.
Worth noting though that stearman, seb, hunt, Edwards, elokobi, Foley, all key members of a prem team are barely getting a game anywhere.

I do blame stale as well tats. But I believe he walked into a broken club, he just failed to do anything about it.

And I do think our transfer dealings in the prem were nothing short of abysmal.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard Cinci. You are insane if you think us being in League One has anything whatsoever to do with Mick not strengthening the squad while we were in the prem. Mick had not been our manager for fifteen months before we were sacked, 16 months since a transfer window with Mick, and 19 months before a transfer window where he was given more than 500 grand. The idea is as preposterous as giving Mick a large portion of the credit if we go up this year, you know, given he signed Doyle, Stearman, Griffiths etc.

Just ridiculous.

comment by Cinciwolf (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
I do blame stale as well tats. But I believe he walked into a broken club, he just failed to do anything about it.



I’d go much further than that Cinci. I honestly think he didn’t just “not fix it” he broke it good and proper.
If Mick didn’t top up the oil then Stale was the one who set out up the motorway with the warning light on.

Wouldn't get to much argument from me on that tats and fully understand that view point.
Not sure what's preposterous about saying that players who should have been nowhere near the club after three years in the prem were guilty of underperformance in the champo, they certainly undrrperformed for mick in season three. Margo said as much didn't he, and someone behind the scenes. Along the lines of players being happy to just take a wage and take it easy.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard Tatter.

You are insane if you think that's all Solbakken did. If Mick didn't top up the oil, Stale took the tyres off, opened all the doors and drove the wrong way up the motorway at 100mph before smashing into an articulated lorry which sent the car careening over the edge into a ravine below, turning and crashing and smashing on rocky rocks on the way down to the raging river below, where the car filled with water and sunk but was still pushed along by the current all the way to the sea where an oil tanker smashed into the car, at which point Stale swam out with a metal baseball bat and smashed the hell out of the car underwater before draining the oceans, putting the car in a shipping container of highly flammable petroleum and setting fire to it before collecting all of the ashes and mixing them up with Diluted HCl, Muriatic acid, lye, Ethyl Ether, Ephedrine and Distilled water, mixing it all up and cooking it into Wolves ash meth crystals before going out and selling them to children between four and 10 who subsequently get hooked, kill their parents, steal all their money and begin a life of crime and homicide. They then defecate those bits of ash all over the street when they die in a puddle in their late twenties with nothing and no one to their name. At which point in this analogy Stale was fired.

Whether there is an ounce of truth in players not giving 100%, just being happy to take a wage, not following managers instructions whatever - what is a managers job if its not to sort those things out.

Do you think that in McCarthys years of getting to the Premier League and keeping us there, that no players caused any problems? Do you think that Man Utd have won so many things cause the likes of Cantona and Keane and many more were easy to manage?

There are problems behind the scenes of every club, but a managers job is to succeed despite that. Its what a manager is paid to do. And at Koln and Wolves Solbakken completely failed. If we were a broken club, one of your favourite but meaningless regular comments, then we were even more broken by this summer, but Jackett has sorted it out

Margaret seems to say a lot. Shame he couldn’t play as well as he blogs.

The other was a board member who was “let go” – Kevin Threlfall – he spent two years on the board under Sir jack and then Morgan which means he was gone by 2008.

Not sure what he could add to the debate about signings in the Prem.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/wolverhampton-wanderers-fc/2013/05/20/ex-director-blames-mick-mccarthy-for-wolves-woe/

comment by (U17339)
posted 6 minutes ago
That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard Tatter.

You are insane if you think that's all Solbakken did. If Mick didn't top up the oil, Stale took the tyres off, opened all the doors and drove the wrong way up the motorway at 100mph before smashing into an articulated lorry which sent the car careening over the edge into a ravine below, turning and crashing and smashing on rocky rocks on the way down to the raging river below, where the car filled with water and sunk but was still pushed along by the current all the way to the sea where an oil tanker smashed into the car, at which point Stale swam out with a metal baseball bat and smashed the hell out of the car underwater before draining the oceans, putting the car in a shipping container of highly flammable petroleum and setting fire to it before collecting all of the ashes and mixing them up with Diluted HCl, Muriatic acid, lye, Ethyl Ether, Ephedrine and Distilled water, mixing it all up and cooking it into Wolves ash meth crystals before going out and selling them to children between four and 10 who subsequently get hooked, kill their parents, steal all their money and begin a life of crime and homicide. They then defecate those bits of ash all over the street when they die in a puddle in their late twenties with nothing and no one to their name. At which point in this analogy Stale was fired.


I was going to compare Saunders to the AA. He was called to a roadside breakdown but instead towed us straight to the scrap yard. However you have a knack for this so over to you....

At which point in this analogy Stale was fired.........and Dean Saunders was appointed........

Didn't read ulfs one, to predictable.

I would assume he still has contacts at the club so see no reason why his comments couldn't be true.
And Margo has always kept it clean, never once suggesting he himself was hard done by.

Clubs do have problems DJ, our biggest one seems to have have been an integral part of micks dismissal doesn't it? The henry/Johnson split camp story.