Bale scored as many goals for Spurs last season as Ozil managed for Real Madrid in his entire 159 games career over 4 seasons.
Ozil is class, he may well lead the assist stats (a bit easier when teeing them up for Ronaldo et al) but Bale has made his name through scoring goals over the last couple seasons and that is what he has been purchased to do.
So these fanciful Bale = £85m therefore Ozil = +£100m are based on stats skewed in favour of Ozil..ie his assists
Not playing in this league no.
Also, good as Ronaldo is, he is still only one man and can only be in one place on a pitch at a time. Ozil won't have that problem with Ox and Walcott on the pitch at the same time.
If you were talking about a more average player then I'd say yes, you could be right. But his class is undeniable. You just have to watch him play for Germany to see that. He's one of those players that just will be, one of the games greats. Short of major injury, scandal or death.
42 million for him on a five year deal is always going to be a steal because football prices are so silly. Mark my words, TRANSFER OF THE SEASON is what you'll all be saying come May.
Occassionally Le Prof's Genius is undeniable. We're about due one of those occasions
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I think you took me a little literally. I was not saying that ozil could only pass to ronaldo, they play in teams with 11 people in it. Walcott and ox wouldnt even get in the madrid team.
I'm glad you are happy with your 'transfer of the season' after 10 games, I presume you already think Arsenal have won the league too? 10 Games is enough to judge isnt it? yes you are correct, it is too early to judge, so save your proclamations until he has his player of the season trophy in his hands.
I'm glad you are happy with your 'transfer of the season' after 10 games, I presume you already think Arsenal have won the league too? 10 Games is enough to judge isnt it? yes you are correct, it is too early to judge, so save your proclamations until he has his player of the season trophy in his hands.
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No don't think we've won the league, just think that we will considering the only thing has has stopped us winning it the last two seasons, are back to back worst starts in club history. Don't know whether you've noticed but we're not really having that problem this time around.
Stop being such a hater. You know dam well 42 mil for 5 years is a bargain for one of the worlds best players about to hit his prime. Yes his literal numbers will drop because our league is more challenging. He's still going to be exceptional and producing performances and stats that are a good cut above the rest. I don't know why you're talking as though he isn't going to be one of the best midfielders playing in the EPL if not the best. Ya just bein silly if that's your stance.
I dont think reserving judgement until the end of the season is 'being a hater' - stop being so dramatic (again).
I've said he is a good player, but to be labelled a 42million pound bargain(!) he has to have a pretty amazing season - quite simply, it's far, far too early to make that call, because all he's done is have a handful of very good games.
Ozil is probably the best playmaker in the world.
I don't get this stat argument. It proves nothing.
Gooner are justly jizzing over him.
He's got nothing prove just because he joined the mighty Prem. He's already proven.
i heard they are lining up a 40 million xmas move for Andros townsend
I have to be honest and say I believe ozil could easily manage about 15 assists per season. He's capable of putting the ball on a plate for the likes of Walcott, giroud etc to the point it's harder for them to miss! If mata and Rooney can manage about 15 assists per season then why not ozil?
Wouldn't say it's a steal though, probably the going rate for a player of his quality when you compare the likes of Lucas moura, gotze and hazard who all cost about £30m but aren't as good as him. It's only a steal compared to the bale deal which is unique and distorts everything.
basically levy mugged real Madrid off
Yep big time, levy smelt the desperation and took them to the cleaners. They lost out on Spanish honours to their eternal rivals and local rivals, got schooled by a Dortmund team that cost a fraction of the price of themselves and then lost out on neymar to barca
They got a fair deal for Ozil I think, you probably paid an extra amount because it was on deadline day.
But yeh £85m for an injury prone player yikes!!!
Wouldn't say he's injury-prone, his injuries now are just a natural result of them not allowing him to train for at least 3 weeks to get into something near match condition. Shocking case of lack of squad management by Perez..... Er I mean ancelotti!
I was all for keeping him at first as I thought they'd bid around £60m tops which wasn't quite enough premium for me, when they started mentioning £80m etc I wanted to drive him to the airport!
Brain
If you were talking about a more average player then I'd say yes, you could be right. But his class is undeniable. You just have to watch him play for Germany to see that. He's one of those players that just will be, one of the games greats. Short of major injury, scandal or death.
this again.
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Ozil is probably the best playmaker in the world.
I don't get this stat argument. It proves nothing.
Gooner are justly jizzing over him.
He's got nothing prove just because he joined the mighty Prem. He's already proven.
And this
You go ahead and wait til the end of the season for your judgement. Enjoy the many "I told you so's" when you look utterly ridiculous for suggesting he'd do anything other than dominate the prem as he does every else he plays.
Madrid have the player they wanted. Arsenal have the player they wanted.
What's the problem??????
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posted on 14/10/13
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posted on 14/10/13
Bale scored as many goals for Spurs last season as Ozil managed for Real Madrid in his entire 159 games career over 4 seasons.
Ozil is class, he may well lead the assist stats (a bit easier when teeing them up for Ronaldo et al) but Bale has made his name through scoring goals over the last couple seasons and that is what he has been purchased to do.
So these fanciful Bale = £85m therefore Ozil = +£100m are based on stats skewed in favour of Ozil..ie his assists
posted on 14/10/13
Not playing in this league no.
Also, good as Ronaldo is, he is still only one man and can only be in one place on a pitch at a time. Ozil won't have that problem with Ox and Walcott on the pitch at the same time.
If you were talking about a more average player then I'd say yes, you could be right. But his class is undeniable. You just have to watch him play for Germany to see that. He's one of those players that just will be, one of the games greats. Short of major injury, scandal or death.
42 million for him on a five year deal is always going to be a steal because football prices are so silly. Mark my words, TRANSFER OF THE SEASON is what you'll all be saying come May.
Occassionally Le Prof's Genius is undeniable. We're about due one of those occasions
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I think you took me a little literally. I was not saying that ozil could only pass to ronaldo, they play in teams with 11 people in it. Walcott and ox wouldnt even get in the madrid team.
I'm glad you are happy with your 'transfer of the season' after 10 games, I presume you already think Arsenal have won the league too? 10 Games is enough to judge isnt it? yes you are correct, it is too early to judge, so save your proclamations until he has his player of the season trophy in his hands.
posted on 14/10/13
I'm glad you are happy with your 'transfer of the season' after 10 games, I presume you already think Arsenal have won the league too? 10 Games is enough to judge isnt it? yes you are correct, it is too early to judge, so save your proclamations until he has his player of the season trophy in his hands.
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No don't think we've won the league, just think that we will considering the only thing has has stopped us winning it the last two seasons, are back to back worst starts in club history. Don't know whether you've noticed but we're not really having that problem this time around.
Stop being such a hater. You know dam well 42 mil for 5 years is a bargain for one of the worlds best players about to hit his prime. Yes his literal numbers will drop because our league is more challenging. He's still going to be exceptional and producing performances and stats that are a good cut above the rest. I don't know why you're talking as though he isn't going to be one of the best midfielders playing in the EPL if not the best. Ya just bein silly if that's your stance.
posted on 14/10/13
I dont think reserving judgement until the end of the season is 'being a hater' - stop being so dramatic (again).
I've said he is a good player, but to be labelled a 42million pound bargain(!) he has to have a pretty amazing season - quite simply, it's far, far too early to make that call, because all he's done is have a handful of very good games.
posted on 14/10/13
Ozil is probably the best playmaker in the world.
I don't get this stat argument. It proves nothing.
Gooner are justly jizzing over him.
He's got nothing prove just because he joined the mighty Prem. He's already proven.
posted on 14/10/13
i heard they are lining up a 40 million xmas move for Andros townsend
posted on 14/10/13
I have to be honest and say I believe ozil could easily manage about 15 assists per season. He's capable of putting the ball on a plate for the likes of Walcott, giroud etc to the point it's harder for them to miss! If mata and Rooney can manage about 15 assists per season then why not ozil?
Wouldn't say it's a steal though, probably the going rate for a player of his quality when you compare the likes of Lucas moura, gotze and hazard who all cost about £30m but aren't as good as him. It's only a steal compared to the bale deal which is unique and distorts everything.
posted on 14/10/13
basically levy mugged real Madrid off
posted on 14/10/13
Yep big time, levy smelt the desperation and took them to the cleaners. They lost out on Spanish honours to their eternal rivals and local rivals, got schooled by a Dortmund team that cost a fraction of the price of themselves and then lost out on neymar to barca
posted on 14/10/13
They got a fair deal for Ozil I think, you probably paid an extra amount because it was on deadline day.
But yeh £85m for an injury prone player yikes!!!
posted on 14/10/13
Wouldn't say he's injury-prone, his injuries now are just a natural result of them not allowing him to train for at least 3 weeks to get into something near match condition. Shocking case of lack of squad management by Perez..... Er I mean ancelotti!
I was all for keeping him at first as I thought they'd bid around £60m tops which wasn't quite enough premium for me, when they started mentioning £80m etc I wanted to drive him to the airport!
posted on 14/10/13
Brain
If you were talking about a more average player then I'd say yes, you could be right. But his class is undeniable. You just have to watch him play for Germany to see that. He's one of those players that just will be, one of the games greats. Short of major injury, scandal or death.
this again.
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Ozil is probably the best playmaker in the world.
I don't get this stat argument. It proves nothing.
Gooner are justly jizzing over him.
He's got nothing prove just because he joined the mighty Prem. He's already proven.
And this
You go ahead and wait til the end of the season for your judgement. Enjoy the many "I told you so's" when you look utterly ridiculous for suggesting he'd do anything other than dominate the prem as he does every else he plays.
posted on 14/10/13
Madrid have the player they wanted. Arsenal have the player they wanted.
What's the problem??????
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