comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 3 hours, 1 minute ago
I think they had a mixed first two years with some rash decisions made (albeit with the best interests of the club at heart).

The last year I have been a lot more impressed with the whole atmosphere of the club, the positive moves in the transfer market and cohesiveness across the age groups, as well as the financial growth. Some of this is down to Rodgers, but its FSG who employed him. I think they were a bit burnt by the previous failures in the transfer market and didn't entirely trust BR at first but they now do and are giving him full backing as a result.

I think the stadium issue continues to hang over them in the eyes of many fans, and only when real progress is made in the redevelopment of Anfield (alongside on pitch progress) will people be completely convinced by them.

I remain optimistic that they will complete an Anfield redevelopment, and that we will get back in the CL before long.

People go on about they just want to sell and make a profit, but that doesn't bother me. If they sell the club in a much stronger position than they took it over, on and off the pitch, and sell it on to a responsible owner, then I don't care if they make money out of it, why shouldn't they?
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My thoughts exactly.

comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 1 hour, 27 minutes ago
Yeah absolutely, this is why they've lowered expectations. I'm not suggesting this is a bad thing.

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Well it comes across as though you believe it's a bad thing.

Have they lowered your expectations regarding the increased stadium capacity? Or were you still hoping for the all singing & dancing H&G model?

My expectations are higher since they came in. Considering we were in the bottom half of the table when they came, we levelled off when Kenny got us playing again and then have improved since Brendan came in. Sitting second, my expectations are now of fourth, not just to keep in touching distance of it. So yeah, my expectations are higher and I can't see how anybody could have lowered expectations since they've come in.

So you seriously cannot see how Rodgers was lowering expectations? Really?

What relevance has your opinion that Rodgers lowered expectations got in regards to this idea that FSG have lowered expectations?

On your new topic, can you supply me with the quote where Rodgers lowered expectations?

Well he works for FSG, so I'd suggest that he works under their ideals as to how the club represents itself, if his view was to differ from theirs then I'd suggest that the working relationship wasn't so great, but there again this is just standard business so you'd know that wouldn't you?


Here's a daily mail article on lowering expectations, but there are quotes so it's all not the usual daily mail bullshït, I found this from google, where you can likely find articles of a similar ilk.

Cheers.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2419972/Brendan-Rodgers-admits-Liverpool-need-make-improvements.html

comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 1 minute ago
Well he works for FSG, so I'd suggest that he works under their ideals as to how the club represents itself, if his view was to differ from theirs then I'd suggest that the working relationship wasn't so great, but there again this is just standard business so you'd know that wouldn't you?
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So a manager has to agree with the owners and not have his own opinion? Not that he does differ as nowhere in any of the quote Brendan made in the article you posted does anything suggest that Brendan has lowered expectations. All I see him saying is we can improve which implies to me(maybe I'm just stupid) that he has higher expectations.

Wow, are you for real.

Brendan says, 'We still need to make improvements. Tottenham have spent £100m to try and get in the top four. It will take another few windows to get that quality in the group.'

He's really talking the team up here isn't he, giving it all you might say, or possibly he's saying we're not quite good enough yet. Could that be that he's lowering expectations? Possibly, I don't know, maybe I'm just reading it as it is and being incredibly naive.

Yes, generally a manager has to have the same ideals as the company that employs him, if he doesn't it will cause conflict, this is standard business process. Surely you understand that?

Brendan says, 'We still need to make improvements. Tottenham have spent £100m to try and get in the top four. It will take another few windows to get that quality in the group.'

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I would say he was heaping pressure on Spurs while taking it off his own players, rather than trying to lower fans expectations.

I was only 10 months ago he said we were looking as high as 2nd, not just top 6, which he was laughed at for.

I don't think fans expectations need lowering anymore. They maybe did a couple of years ago, but now most fans are aware of our current realistic position of 5th-7th and hope for better.

comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wow, are you for real.

Brendan says, 'We still need to make improvements. Tottenham have spent £100m to try and get in the top four. It will take another few windows to get that quality in the group.'
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How's saying we need to improve(we do) lowering expectations? What did you expect before he said that? A title win? A domestic treble perhaps?

I've often felt, as manager of a company that my boss should do things differently, it didn't mean everything went pear-shapped. It was my opinion but his money, so it was up to him to either listen to my opinion, or do his own thing.

To me, the reason that fans are expecting 5th to 7th is because they've lowered expectations. There were even some comments from john Henry in the press some time ago saying not to expect top 4

RespectedThere'sOnlyOneRedsWillian - There's another sentence in there apart from the first one, he's saying it's going to take another couple of windows to get the quality in to challenge for top 4.

Christ, that's selective reading at it's best.

I would say he was heaping pressure on Spurs while taking it off his own players, rather than trying to lower fans expectations.

I was only 10 months ago he said we were looking as high as 2nd, not just top 6, which he was laughed at for.
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And how is he removing pressure from his players? By lowering expectations.

Rightly he was laughed at that for, and should be laughed at still for that.

comment by Bobby (U4765)
posted 5 minutes ago
To me, the reason that fans are expecting 5th to 7th is because they've lowered expectations. There were even some comments from john Henry in the press some time ago saying not to expect top 4
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To me fans are expecting fifth to seventh as it's around where we've been since H&G messed us up.

"There were even some comments from john Henry in the press some time ago saying not to expect top 4"

First I've heard of that but even so, how does that lower expectations if most aren't expecting top four anyhow?

Do you expect top four? Are you so feeble minded that your expectations change if indeed somebody tells you not to expect something?

It's there really any need for insults? I apologise If I've really upset you.

I haven't insulted you. You havent said anything which would make me insult you. You're entitled to your opinion, I was just giving mine.

Well there was the feeble minded thing although this may not be an insult where you live.

I asked you if you are so feeble-minded? It was a question, you either think you are or you don't. I'm asking you opinion on it, not giving mine.

Dress it up however you like.

I say what I mean, always have done. No hidden meanings, no dressing up. If you don't like it and feel hurt by it, that's your issue not mine.

Bloody hell, still blaming G&H!

Would be 15-16 other clubs that would love the backing the new yanks have given Liverpool

Don't worry yourself about it, if you have to be aggressive and resort to insults when having a conversation, that's your choice. Not my problem

I haven't insulted on been aggressive, why so emotional?

Fell - most are happy with the backing they've given.

Because this - http://tinyurl.com/nfrh9ub

If you have an opinion different to Toddy here he will say silly things.
Say you are a press sheep, follow popular opinion, dont have a mind of your own.

Never listen to what a boy who wears Henleys says Bobby.