Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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and i was right wasnt i
Dunc, we were just as bad last season, especially at the start. Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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Fack off robb. Stop making up things.
We were unbeaten in the league for 20 or so games and were on course to beat Chelseas record of most points
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately, possession, pressing and formation are all linked, possession on its own doesn't really mean anything unless it is coupled with where it is on the pitch. Some teams build up slow from the back and work the ball into the final third, others try to get the ball forward quicker to capitalise on the other team potentially being slow in the defensive transition phase.
There is no right or wrong answer to any of it, just different ways of playing.
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Exactly the point i'm trying to make in the article. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Just that there are many styles of play and they all have their benefits.
Fans don't need to moan when they see they aren't winning the midfield battle because so many times the defensive battle and the offensive battle are just as important.
I know they're chances but I don't like when people assume shots that hit the woodwork are any better than ones that went wide or high, they're all off target.
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 29 seconds ago
Dunc, we were just as bad last season, especially at the start. Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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Fack off robb. Stop making up things.
We were unbeaten in the league for 20 or so games and were on course to beat Chelseas record of most points
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Really? Wow. You are a plum.
the problem we have is we arent a team that can break fast, and we arent a team who press high up the pitch.
so what are we??
to me we are disjointed and too unbalanced.
we are making too many changes to the team on a regular basis and there is no cohesion.
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 8 seconds ago
I know they're chances but I don't like when people assume shots that hit the woodwork are any better than ones that went wide or high, they're all off target.
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Yeah, but your question was about chances created. Rooney getting the ball a few yards from goal and blasting it against the crossbar was a massive chance that was created and it was he alone who missed it rather than any brilliance from Saints.
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 33 seconds ago
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
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The sad thing is, we've all seen this countless times.
The problem is we don't have the players to play a high pressing game, it requires stamina and lots of mobility. And the one thing our midfield lacks, is just that. Mobility. Plus we have quite a few older players who don't have it in them to press
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
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So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
I forgot that we'd lost the very first game of the season last year too! We went 2 down to Stoke and tooka late RvP hattrick to beat Fulham...
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 33 seconds ago
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
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The sad thing is, we've all seen this countless times.
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Yes exactly DP, but without the pressing.
With our ball retention at the moment if we pressed all game we'd need Mo Farah and Haile Gebrselassie in midfield to last the distance
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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we are still worse now though.
comment by Dunc _ never eating digestives again (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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we are still worse now though.
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Not a whole lot worse and if anything we're much better in Europe.
comment by RVP's Left Foot - Katy Perry (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The problem is we don't have the players to play a high pressing game, it requires stamina and lots of mobility. And the one thing our midfield lacks, is just that. Mobility. Plus we have quite a few older players who don't have it in them to press
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You guys shouldn't play a high pressing game, it doesn't suit your defence, midfield or attack for me.
comment by Robb : Running like Henderson. (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
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So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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So why were we on course to beat Chelsea's highest point total of 95?
We were effective and lethal last season.
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Running like Henderson. (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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So why were we on course to beat Chelsea's highest point total of 95?
We were effective and lethal last season.
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Well, we didn't beat it did we? I could just as easily say that if we win the rest of our games we'll beat Chelsea's points record this season.
Doesn't make it something worth using in a debate.
We were effective and lethal last season.
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In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
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Sign of a title winning side, playing poor and winning. We've been doing it for years and years. Just not this year
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 1 minute ago
In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
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Sign of a title winning side, playing poor and winning. We've been doing it for years and years. Just not this year
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This year is a bit skewed because in the first 9 games we played City, Chelsea and Liverpool.
People act like possession comes from actively deciding to have possession. I think you will find that teams with skilled player on the average have MORE possession. Also stats will show that on average teams with possession have more success than those without. Want a simple way of determining which relegation club is going to survive, more often than not possession has a lot to do with it.
I'll give you a simple exercise; final 4 for the last 5 yrs in CL. Class them as possession based and counter attacking teams, see how many are possession teams. League winners too.
By the way, both possession and counter attacking football requires a good midfield. It will come as no shock that possession teams are ALSO good counterattacking teams. In fact there are rarely any changes in players just mentality.
Also, the amount of teams that have based their tactics mainly on counter attacking and succeeded are few and far between. They are usually good cup teams but fails in the leagues.
Put a possession team against a counterattacking team and 9 out 10 times, the possession team will win. Let's not use the minority of occasions as the argument (which is a robb specialty)
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posted on 29/10/13
Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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and i was right wasnt i
posted on 29/10/13
Dunc, we were just as bad last season, especially at the start. Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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Fack off robb. Stop making up things.
We were unbeaten in the league for 20 or so games and were on course to beat Chelseas record of most points
posted on 29/10/13
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Ultimately, possession, pressing and formation are all linked, possession on its own doesn't really mean anything unless it is coupled with where it is on the pitch. Some teams build up slow from the back and work the ball into the final third, others try to get the ball forward quicker to capitalise on the other team potentially being slow in the defensive transition phase.
There is no right or wrong answer to any of it, just different ways of playing.
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Exactly the point i'm trying to make in the article. I'm not saying one is better than the other. Just that there are many styles of play and they all have their benefits.
Fans don't need to moan when they see they aren't winning the midfield battle because so many times the defensive battle and the offensive battle are just as important.
posted on 29/10/13
I know they're chances but I don't like when people assume shots that hit the woodwork are any better than ones that went wide or high, they're all off target.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 29 seconds ago
Dunc, we were just as bad last season, especially at the start. Hell, almost a year ago we'd lost our 3rd game of the season at Norwich and you did an article saying it might be time for Sir Alex to quit!
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Fack off robb. Stop making up things.
We were unbeaten in the league for 20 or so games and were on course to beat Chelseas record of most points
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Really? Wow. You are a plum.
posted on 29/10/13
the problem we have is we arent a team that can break fast, and we arent a team who press high up the pitch.
so what are we??
to me we are disjointed and too unbalanced.
we are making too many changes to the team on a regular basis and there is no cohesion.
posted on 29/10/13
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
posted on 29/10/13
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
posted on 29/10/13
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 8 seconds ago
I know they're chances but I don't like when people assume shots that hit the woodwork are any better than ones that went wide or high, they're all off target.
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Yeah, but your question was about chances created. Rooney getting the ball a few yards from goal and blasting it against the crossbar was a massive chance that was created and it was he alone who missed it rather than any brilliance from Saints.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 33 seconds ago
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
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The sad thing is, we've all seen this countless times.
posted on 29/10/13
The problem is we don't have the players to play a high pressing game, it requires stamina and lots of mobility. And the one thing our midfield lacks, is just that. Mobility. Plus we have quite a few older players who don't have it in them to press
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
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So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
posted on 29/10/13
I forgot that we'd lost the very first game of the season last year too! We went 2 down to Stoke and tooka late RvP hattrick to beat Fulham...
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 33 seconds ago
With the amount of times we relinquish the ball very easily, can you imagine how knackered our players would be if we pressed all game?
Run like hell until you win the ball back, bumble it to Fellaini, he passes back to the opposition run like hell some more, win the ball back, give it to Evans, Jones, Vidic or Ferdinand they punt it long to the forwards, but it is mis-controlled and we lose it again.
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The sad thing is, we've all seen this countless times.
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Yes exactly DP, but without the pressing.
With our ball retention at the moment if we pressed all game we'd need Mo Farah and Haile Gebrselassie in midfield to last the distance
posted on 29/10/13
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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we are still worse now though.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Dunc _ never eating digestives again (U11713)
posted 16 seconds ago
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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we are still worse now though.
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Not a whole lot worse and if anything we're much better in Europe.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by RVP's Left Foot - Katy Perry (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
The problem is we don't have the players to play a high pressing game, it requires stamina and lots of mobility. And the one thing our midfield lacks, is just that. Mobility. Plus we have quite a few older players who don't have it in them to press
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posted on 29/10/13
You guys shouldn't play a high pressing game, it doesn't suit your defence, midfield or attack for me.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Robb : Running like Henderson. (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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So why were we on course to beat Chelsea's highest point total of 95?
We were effective and lethal last season.
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robb : Running like Henderson. (U9808)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wayne and Robin. Get rid of Young, Giggs, Welbeck, Evra, Anderson. Absolutely useless players in our squad whose contributions arent any bigger than the tea lady (U17937)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Jay - The eyes are open, the mouth moves, but Mr Brain has long since departed. (U16498)
posted 24 seconds ago
I must have missed us losing to Norwich last season then Wayne
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Maybe one loss. But we were on course to beat CFC's record of most points.
And till the Madrid game we hadnt lost a single game when Rooney and RVP started.
Robb is trying to say we were as useless last season as we are now which is false
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So did we lose at Everton? Yes. Did we lose at home to Spurs? Yes. Did we lose at Norwich? Yes. Did we struggle to beat Villa, Reading, Saints, Stoke, Fulham and Braga, all before the end of November last season?
Yes, so please don't make out like we were amazing in the first half of the season last year because we weren't.
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So why were we on course to beat Chelsea's highest point total of 95?
We were effective and lethal last season.
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Well, we didn't beat it did we? I could just as easily say that if we win the rest of our games we'll beat Chelsea's points record this season.
Doesn't make it something worth using in a debate.
posted on 29/10/13
We were effective and lethal last season.
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In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
posted on 29/10/13
In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
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Sign of a title winning side, playing poor and winning. We've been doing it for years and years. Just not this year
posted on 29/10/13
comment by Fellaini's Turning Circle (U1700)
posted 1 minute ago
In the latter part of the season, yes, I agree. However, for the first 2 months or so, we were poor.
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Sign of a title winning side, playing poor and winning. We've been doing it for years and years. Just not this year
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This year is a bit skewed because in the first 9 games we played City, Chelsea and Liverpool.
posted on 29/10/13
People act like possession comes from actively deciding to have possession. I think you will find that teams with skilled player on the average have MORE possession. Also stats will show that on average teams with possession have more success than those without. Want a simple way of determining which relegation club is going to survive, more often than not possession has a lot to do with it.
I'll give you a simple exercise; final 4 for the last 5 yrs in CL. Class them as possession based and counter attacking teams, see how many are possession teams. League winners too.
By the way, both possession and counter attacking football requires a good midfield. It will come as no shock that possession teams are ALSO good counterattacking teams. In fact there are rarely any changes in players just mentality.
Also, the amount of teams that have based their tactics mainly on counter attacking and succeeded are few and far between. They are usually good cup teams but fails in the leagues.
Put a possession team against a counterattacking team and 9 out 10 times, the possession team will win. Let's not use the minority of occasions as the argument (which is a robb specialty)
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