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Moyes only ever finished in top 4 with Everton once. Everton never progressed under him after a while. Martinez has already taken them up to a whole new level. Utd have a better squad than Everton, and look at the league positioning.

Martinez is an excellent manager and he'll go on from Everton, after having a good reign to one of the top European clubs.

Martinez is top drawer.

Moyes did well for us but i felt was running out of ideas towards the end to be honest.

Martinez is underrated. I've always said it. He will manage Barca or Real one day, I honestly believe that

Maybe the difference is Lukaku?

DM and RM are both very good managers. Personally I'd have gone for Martinez at OT.

We wouldn't be in the position we are now without moyes to to an extent yes he was holding us back

For instance when it was 0-0 at 75/80mins moyes would've brought on a defensive player to hold onto the draw. Martinez went for the win

*but to an extent

Moyes had the same players but as a defender his mentality was percentage football.

If he trusted to play out from the back then we would have challenged further up the table more often.

He plays out at the back at United as they demand it....

Martinez says and does the right things, how far will he go. Well he needs to look at replacing Pienaar, Ossie and Distin in the next 18-24 months.

Then lets see how we do.

He built strong foundations but it was always muted for his last few seasons he had hit the glass ceiling. Martinez has been a breathe of fresh air and brought in new ideas and new attacking mentality.

Let's forget he just relegated a team.

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I am with sideshow. the limited budget and wage limit he had was always gonna cost Wigan in the end. Whelan stopped bankrolling them when Bruce left.

Watching Everton this season when they've had the ball on the deck I don't think there's a great deal of difference in their passing football, probably better movement, but they certainly play less long balls as they don't have Fellaini.

I think the biggest difference I've noticed is having a more attacking approach whereas Moyes was more cautious.

Everton played some really good stuff last season as well I thought but the cautious nature was probably what held them back rather than the style of play.

I've seen it at United. We are more cautious even though the style of play is the same drab football we've been playing for ages.

With the players he had he did very well to keep them up
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And won the FA cup (Ben Watson..........pride of Selhurst )

Moyes had a limited budget at struggling Everton but took them up the table.

Martinez has got Moyes team playing well but let's face it, he didn't build a good team at Wigan and he's using somebody else's team now, plus a couple of decent loanees.

Just a bit of perspective

comment by ☞ Ruiney ⑳ - Have you read the book? (U1005)
posted 10 seconds ago
Moyes had a limited budget at struggling Everton but took them up the table.

Martinez has got Moyes team playing well but let's face it, he didn't build a good team at Wigan and he's using somebody else's team now, plus a couple of decent loanees.

Just a bit of perspective

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Moyes had double the budget(nearly tripple) for wages that Martinez had. That makes a hell of a difference. Just putting some perspective on it

Martinez also got McCarthy in for a steal at Wigan....At £13m he looks cheap after todays performance

Martinez says and does the right things, how far will he go. Well he needs to look at replacing Pienaar, Ossie and Distin in the next 18-24 months.

Then lets see how we do.
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Very true

He also has to go about replacing Lukaku and Delofeu as they will almost definitely be returning to their parent clubs, I can see you signing Barry on a permanent next year though.

Thats potentially 5 first teamers he may need to bring in, a tall order with a limited budget.

If you get champions league football though, the job becomes much easier to replace those players

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comment by ☞ Ruiney ⑳ - Have you read the book? (U1005)
posted 2 minutes ago
Moyes had a limited budget at struggling Everton but took them up the table.

Martinez has got Moyes team playing well but let's face it, he didn't build a good team at Wigan and he's using somebody else's team now, plus a couple of decent loanees.

Just a bit of perspective

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We could also look at it on the flip side....

Moyes has taken the biggest club in England, last seasons Champions and taken them backwards.

Just a little bit of perspective for you also

Martinez done excellent at Wigan also. Despite having to sell his best players every year, he kept them competitive. They still played excellent football, even when down at the bottom, when normally teams fight their way out...or down for that matter. The previous season to his last, using all his tactical knowledge he completely changed the system, when the players at Wigan looked short of ideas, suddenly they started picking points up and survived. Again they sold their best players and the following season were relegated but still managed to win a trophy. A top manager but there's only so much a top manager can do with a poor team.

Moyes is nowhere near him, in terms of managerial talent. He's just your run of the mill former defender, who screams at players and has them running defensive drills. Martinez is a student of the game, he has the knowledge and it shows in his teams, even Wigan.

Moyes has taken the biggest club in England, last seasons Champions and taken them backwards.
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Just as much down the players, like most I'm not judging after 14 odd games.

He needs a couple of transfer windows with backing.

comment by ☞ Ruiney ⑳ - Have you read the book? (U1005)
posted 1 minute ago
Moyes had a limited budget at struggling Everton but took them up the table.

Martinez has got Moyes team playing well but let's face it, he didn't build a good team at Wigan and he's using somebody else's team now, plus a couple of decent loanees.

Just a bit of perspective
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It may be Moyes' team but he's taken that team and has them playing much better football in my opinion.

Martinez record against the top sides is excellent this season. They've played everyone who was top 7 last season and he's only lost to City, got points against everyone else. Moyes didn't do that.

Martinez has done very well in the market.

Getting Europa, think the CL might be beyond you personally, would bode well for the future though as from next season the winners of the Europa get a CL place.

Obviously Everton would find it very tough to win it but the money you'd get for qualifying, and the draw of potentially getting the CL through winning it, could really help Everton get better players - especially if Martinez can continue to do well in the market and evolve your style of football.

comment by ☞ Ruiney ⑳ - Have you read the book? (U1005)
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Moyes has taken the biggest club in England, last seasons Champions and taken them backwards.
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Just as much down the players, like most I'm not judging after 14 odd games.

He needs a couple of transfer windows with backing

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But you can judge Martinez who operated on a budget....a budget that was less than West Ham, Newcastle etc when they were in the Championship?

Is it easy to be critical when you think the man in charge is not good enough at another club?