TOOR, yeah I agree with that. I was talking more in terms of him improving the defence.

I've been saying for a while that we needed the squad rebuilding even with Fergie here. The quality just isn't really there for a manager such as Moyes to succeed.

His only hope was to maintain the mentality within the team and not make mistakes. He's done neither of those.

The players just don't look motivated. The manager needs to take stick for that but so do the players as well.

This surely has to be the highest amount of comments on our board for some time.

I think Fergie has to take some of the blame. Central midfield needed sorting a long time ago. I was gonna say transfer funds may be an issue with the debts but then Moyes did fire £27m at Fellaini. The likes of Herrara were linked in the summer and he would have been a quality addition for less than Fellaini I'd imagine.

I do that to boards, Lettuce.

Yep, I agree with that as well, TOOR.

I've said for a while that Fergie's been making quite a few mistakes with the squad since Ronaldo left despite how well we've done.

It's testament to how good he is as a manager that he could make so many mistakes but still get this team winning so much.

It's just a shame he didn't put some of it right before the new manager came in which would have made the transition easier.

That said, Moyes should have really looked to have moved out quite a few players and bring in some much needed quality.

I can understand not wanting to come in and dismantle a title winning squad, however, he needed to show some balls and make his mark on the squad and move out some of the deadwood.

This is the problem of replacing a twenty year winning manager. You don't go in and put your stamp on it, you try to make small changes. However, I think United needed more changes at the time.

One of the problems Moyes will encounter at United is that he has no trophies to his name and he's managing a squad of players who are all basically multiple trophy winners.

I bet on some level the players respect for Moyes is not what it should be because of this

To be honest, I don't know what you actually do after replacing a manager like Fergie at a club like United in the modern game as it's unprecedented.

What is obvious that whatever Moyes has or hasn't done hasn't worked thus far.

He still needs time, and the transfer window cannot come soon enough, but the demands on this club are so high that if things don't start looking up soon he could run out of time.

phil, this is a good point. And the players' lack of motivation may allude to that.

Rooney is the only player that really looks motivated. Quite runny really as last season he didn't look like he gave a fack.

Which top manager is available mid-season though? He'll have at least until the end of the season.

Hiddink is the only one available.

I do agree he'll at least be there until the end of the season.

Will be interesting to see what the Glazers do. They'll either need to give him money to spend on some top players or replace him with a manager that can do much better with the squad than Moyes is doing (although he could still turn it around).

Should try get Martinez and end Moyes back with the receipt

comment by RespectedThere'sOnlyOneRedsWillian (U1721)posted 17 minutes agoThis is the problem of replacing a twenty year winning manager. You don't go in and put your stamp on it, you try to make small changes. However, I think United needed more changes at the time

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That has been Moyes mistake. He took staff who apart from Woods I would say are not upto the job and got shot of a stable coaching setup that knew the players inside out. Under martinez our fitness/conditioning looks to have improved.

Everton have seemed to have picked up a lot of injuries under Moyes.

I noticed when BR came in, we got far less injuries and even nearly had Agger fully fit for a whole season, which is a minor miracle. Gerrard has been playing nearly every minute of every game also after suffering a serious of injuries.

I think this is to do with training, Martinez and Rodgers concentrate more on ball work and I'm guessing Moyes the more traditional blood, sweat and guts stuff.

Fell, that might be true about the coaching staff but I think many United fans will tell you that our football had been declining under those coaches.

Fergie's mental influence was the biggest influence on that team as our football under Moyes isn't a great deal different, it's the lack of fight from the players that has been the biggest loss.

No....not totally. We have new fitness and conditioning coaches. The methods used are different.

It does help fitness wise if your team has the majority of possession and the opposition has to do more running.

United's players will definately be worked hard for their conditioning during their preseason and training,but they'd need it more than ever now as in most games they'd have less possession than the opposition

We played two high tempo games in a week and didnt look tired. Normally under Moyes we would fade after 70 mins. (Hit return early)

United's players will definately be worked hard for their conditioning during their preseason and training,but they'd need it more than ever now as in most games they'd have less possession than the opposition
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I'm not sure if that's true.

We've probably been having more possession in games this season. We just aren't doing much with it.

comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
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We played two high tempo games in a week and didnt look tired. Normally under Moyes we would fade after 70 mins. (Hit return early)
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As Phil said, when you're playing a possession game, you don't tire as easily, as lumping it up the pitch and bombing after it. Also none of the drawing on the 70th minute mark so bringing on a defending, letting the opposition have the ball. It makes a huge difference.

RVP picking up injuries is a worry. Whether this is down to Moyes' training regimes I don't know.

I know he had bad toes which I don't think can be put down to training, though.

Having more of the ball is just psychological....I bet even having more possesion than Arsenal, the player movement ment we matched the average distance ran.

That's true. The intensity at which you play with the ball is also important.

It's why Barca had one of the highest distances ran even though they had like an average of 70% possession as they would work so hard with and without the ball.

We've had a lot of possession in games this season but it's been lethargic possession with a lack of movement meaning we probably don't do that much running overall.

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 5 minutes agoThat's true. The intensity at which you play with the ball is also important. It's why Barca had one of the highest distances ran even though they had like an average of 70% possession as they would work so hard with and without the ball. 

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Doubt we would have been that well prepared before.

Barca do graft.