Good debate Emilio - it just grates with me when people say they support Leicester when in reality the follow Leicester's progress.
So, johngee has spoken the dread Words That May Not Be Spoken - that our new signings may simply not be good enough. I hope to high heaven that he is wrong, and that our uselessness yesterday was down to this magical "gelling" business plus tactical errors on Sven's part. But a little bit of me fears there is at least something in what he says.
Apropos of which, I see that Shane Long has put one past Man Utd on his debut, and that Kevin Phillips has scored twice for Holloway today.
PS - Be wary of dissing fans whose heartbreak when we lose is just as great, even if they cannot get to many games as they'd like. Also those who simply cannot afford to go to every game, so have to pick and choose.
No -you are right Malling -there are a number of dedicated fans -who because of logistics and genuine financial reasons- cannot get to every game ... and others -ears pressed against their manual radios.. out in the middle of nowhere ... they all have my admiration.. however first home game of the season.. --owners and management showing massive support and committment-- new players to welcome... 23000 was disappointing .. we should do better
The point being made Malling is not about dissing fans who can't afford to pay week in week out but those people seem to be able to afford to pay when we are in the Premiership week in week out. You either can or can't afford it, irrespective of which league you are in and if you are a true supporter it's irrelevant what league you are in.
Wouldn't really argue with that, MG, at least as a theory.
It's maybe a bit idealistic for the real world though - Emilio makes an honest point that the size of our "core support" is relative to what league we're in. We wouldn't get 23k fans in the Blue Square, but that doesn't means that we currently have thousands of merely fair-weather fans. Likewise I'd hesitate to describe the additional 5-6k fans we might get regularly in the Premiership in that way. Footie is competing with everything else for its slice of our family budgets, and one has to make judgements.
It's complicated, is all I'm saying - and drawing distinctions between supporters and followers, core and non-core fans puts one on a slippery slope towards intolerance.
But interesting discussions, guys.
But surely you can either afford it or you can't, irrespective of what league you are in and if you a true supporter you follow your team when times are bad as well as good. What I am saying why do 30000 on average can afford it when we were in the Prem and prices higher, where do those 7000 go when it's cheaper in Championship? I appreciate it about the quality of football opposition, but if you are true fan, rather than a follower, then it doesn't matter which league you are in.
John, I mostly agree with your assessment. The only thing I could add would be a bit more defence of Danns: While he didn't have a good game by any means, he seemed to be driven by a will to influence the game rather than wait on the wing for a pass that was never going to come. You could rightly point to some positional indiscipline, but I think he's wasted out there anyway.
Still, a minor point in what is overall a very fair article IMO.
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posted on 14/8/11
Good debate Emilio - it just grates with me when people say they support Leicester when in reality the follow Leicester's progress.
posted on 14/8/11
posted on 14/8/11
So, johngee has spoken the dread Words That May Not Be Spoken - that our new signings may simply not be good enough. I hope to high heaven that he is wrong, and that our uselessness yesterday was down to this magical "gelling" business plus tactical errors on Sven's part. But a little bit of me fears there is at least something in what he says.
Apropos of which, I see that Shane Long has put one past Man Utd on his debut, and that Kevin Phillips has scored twice for Holloway today.
PS - Be wary of dissing fans whose heartbreak when we lose is just as great, even if they cannot get to many games as they'd like. Also those who simply cannot afford to go to every game, so have to pick and choose.
posted on 14/8/11
No -you are right Malling -there are a number of dedicated fans -who because of logistics and genuine financial reasons- cannot get to every game ... and others -ears pressed against their manual radios.. out in the middle of nowhere ... they all have my admiration.. however first home game of the season.. --owners and management showing massive support and committment-- new players to welcome... 23000 was disappointing .. we should do better
posted on 14/8/11
The point being made Malling is not about dissing fans who can't afford to pay week in week out but those people seem to be able to afford to pay when we are in the Premiership week in week out. You either can or can't afford it, irrespective of which league you are in and if you are a true supporter it's irrelevant what league you are in.
posted on 14/8/11
Wouldn't really argue with that, MG, at least as a theory.
It's maybe a bit idealistic for the real world though - Emilio makes an honest point that the size of our "core support" is relative to what league we're in. We wouldn't get 23k fans in the Blue Square, but that doesn't means that we currently have thousands of merely fair-weather fans. Likewise I'd hesitate to describe the additional 5-6k fans we might get regularly in the Premiership in that way. Footie is competing with everything else for its slice of our family budgets, and one has to make judgements.
It's complicated, is all I'm saying - and drawing distinctions between supporters and followers, core and non-core fans puts one on a slippery slope towards intolerance.
But interesting discussions, guys.
posted on 14/8/11
But surely you can either afford it or you can't, irrespective of what league you are in and if you a true supporter you follow your team when times are bad as well as good. What I am saying why do 30000 on average can afford it when we were in the Prem and prices higher, where do those 7000 go when it's cheaper in Championship? I appreciate it about the quality of football opposition, but if you are true fan, rather than a follower, then it doesn't matter which league you are in.
posted on 14/8/11
John, I mostly agree with your assessment. The only thing I could add would be a bit more defence of Danns: While he didn't have a good game by any means, he seemed to be driven by a will to influence the game rather than wait on the wing for a pass that was never going to come. You could rightly point to some positional indiscipline, but I think he's wasted out there anyway.
Still, a minor point in what is overall a very fair article IMO.
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