But don't ask me for evidence just trust me on it

As much as you would like it to be invented, I'm afraid it happened. Anyone with access to the full match would see it. It was even replayed to show the simulation. While it may be true they usually point out dives, you can rest assured they don't show every one. Did they analyze Ivanovic and Caesar's playacting in the Match against Arsenal? Are there highlights of them? How many highlights you have seen of players falling to receive defensive freekicks? Evra got one against Norwich, you'll be lucky to find much on that, but does that mean it didn't happen?

http://livefootballvideo.com/fullmatch/england/premier-league/chelsea-vs-liverpool

Well it's very convenient I have it then

Why don't you pick out the blatant dive now?

You can forward the second half video to 49.00 minutes and watch till 50.00 minutes to see Oscar throwing himself to the floor while he and Agger challenged for the ball.

That called a push in the back however if you will to call that a dive no problem <OK>

*wish

"You can forward the second half video to 49.00 minutes and watch till 50.00 minutes to see Oscar throwing himself to the floor while he and Agger challenged for the ball.
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So the big dive that you were using to wum was a 50/50 "Did Oscar back into him" / "Did Agger push him" challenge

Wow thanks for wasting my time

You're really sensitive if you think I was wumming. All I did was to confirm that Oscar did in fact take a 'tumble' that was comical. From what I saw, he got in front agger, felt contact if any and launched himself foward rather amusingly....you were the one who insisted on seeing if it happened, going as far as providing a video link. I hope you're not being sore because you realize you were being told the truth all along....

My friend if you found that comical you must be a pain in the ariss to go out with as you will be laughing at pretty much everything you see, getting to places would take an age. Also I advise you grab a dictionary as some of your definitions for words are quite frankly woeful.......

Aww, bless, and then there were two...

Apologies, Dour Dave, you must forgive me for not checking in with you on what constitutes a comical incident, I bet you're the life of the party whereever you go.

If I didn't know any better, I would think you chaps spent the night at home, how touchy you seem today

Lol now resorting to insults good job . Is that the best come back you can come up with? Poor thing I will give u a "C" for effort good start but must try harder for the entire wum

You're having a bit of a mare here tbh. You proposed I was overly amused, I proposed you were overly serious, now you're up in arms? Leave it for me to be touchy, esp. After today's results. If I really was on the WUM I would have certainly been successful as both you and the other chap have bitten like rabid dogs ( no I'm not calling you a dog)

Perhaps a celebration of United dropping points yet again would put you in a better mood( that wasn't an insult either)

My friend as previously stated go grab yourself a dictionary as your use of words is quite frankly awful...........

If United were a threat this season then maybe I would, but I am celebrating more Welbecks 9.2, pike with a double twist, was quite spectacular and this is a dive and not a shove in the back

....Your most recent article's last sentence tells me otherwise.

As I said, you're having a bit of a mare, and if anyone should be upset now, on the surface, it is me. Your Chelsea friend made a point, I made one as well, with his help, I was proven correct. If you abhor my use of certain words then I would humbly suggest you to either filter me or ignore me, if it is too taxing to read my posts.

Bit tender after another loss ?

Proven correct? Again I suggest you look in a dictionary as you are really struggling with the definitions of some of these words you are using

A Chelsea fan alluded to the incident not happening, provided a link, I told him where to find the incident, he saw for himself that it wasn't a figment of anyone's imagination as he seemed to believe earlier. His views were found to be incorrect while mine was proven with the video he provided...a dictionary wasn't required to confirm my point during that process (don't take that as an insult)if you don't like the outcome of the discussion then I truly sympatize with you, but taking up you're friends dead horse and flogging it isn't going to make either of you look any better. I'm quite willing to let it go as an oversight on his part rather than to grovel around complaining about punctuation, grammar, spelling in an attempt to 'point-score'. It is said that you know when you've lost a debate/ discussion when the best you can do is have a whine about grammar, spelling and/or punctuation.

"he saw for himself that it wasn't a figment of anyone's imagination as he seemed to believe earlier"

They probably were the incident you described was nothing like the one you picked out you probably just looked up the times of fouls on the bbc report and acted as if it was contentious

"His views were found to be incorrect"

Were they? Who found them incorrect then?

Your* before you that bothers you as well.

Are you now denying the very video evidence you provided? I am quite sure I maintained the general description of the incident prior to the video. I haven't even seen the match report. There is very little evidence to suggest that Agger forced Oscar to cause him to fall the way he did, it more points to him looking for the freekick, as I maintained from the get go, something you insinuated didn't happen at all.

As for your second point. The video + my recollection of the incident.

Ah Dennis Dennis Dennis this is too easy, I am now bored of this so I will spell it out for you as you seem to be struggling with this whole concept. Oscar was pushed in the back, he may have went down easy, but there was contact and a push there for it is not as you were trying to label it and even the pundits at the time said there was contact and he went down. This is NOT a dive. When compared with say today's game, in which your team lost, and danny welbeck who skipped pass 2 players before theatrically throwing him self to the ground in the penalty area with no contact what so ever, this is a dive......see the difference, contact..no contact. Pretty simple concept when you think about it

"Are you now denying the very video evidence you provided? I am quite sure I maintained the general description of the incident prior to the video. I haven't even seen the match report. There is very little evidence to suggest that Agger forced Oscar to cause him to fall the way he did, it more points to him looking for the freekick, as I maintained from the get go, something you insinuated didn't happen at all.
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I don't really care what your view is I just asked you to point out where the incident was so I could make my own opinion

Simon West (U1830)

It is no wonder that you think it was 'too easy' as you somehow managed to misrepresent my point entirely. I do not think I ever accused him of diving, I believe the terms I used were tumble, throwing himself to the floor, simulation. My point throughout was how he fell was disproportionate to the L'pool's player force. It seemed that he went looking for it (see my post above for the latest reiteration of my point).

What you must also realize is that because you may think that diving refers to going down without contact and 'going down easily' refers to a player exaggerating contact, it doesn't mean you are correct in that assertion, a quick use of the dictionary you're so fond of tells me that diving is more linked to exaggeration than whether there was contact or not, something that you readily admit may have been the case.

Yeah look this is the most pointless waste of time argument ever perhaps you should stop with the walls of texts

I mean it wasn't even a big incident in the first place so I'm not sure why it's still escalating beyond seeing what the "incident" was in the first place