Oh dear Robb there's no debating with you. N'zogbia was never and will never be good enough for England. Just like Fellaini was never and will never be A) Good enough for us and B) the best DM in the league.
Fellaini is not good enough is Stoke
comment by If United did beers... (U16990)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh dear Robb there's no debating with you. N'zogbia was never and will never be good enough for England. Just like Fellaini was never and will never be A) Good enough for us and B) the best DM in the league.
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This was in 2010. Back then Shaun Wright Phillips, David Nugent and Matthew Upson were making the England team.
Still does not make Fellaini a superb midfielder
Good DM should be able to work hard, tackle, read the play and make interceptions etc. Felaini cant do any of that, he is useless at DM. All he can do is head down the balls that are hoofed in his direction.
Be honest with yourselves .... At the start of the season... You'd have cried about seeing Jones at CM..... But a few good games and he is now held in high regard ...
This can and probably will happen with Fellaini too
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Be honest with yourselves .... At the start of the season... You'd have cried about seeing Jones at CM..... But a few good games and he is now held in high regard ...
This can and probably will happen with Fellaini too
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I saw Jones play in DM at Blackburn, he has some of the attributes, not all but some.
Fellaini has none
Jones was always a hard worker and wasnt afraid to tackle and put his body on the line. He isnt a great DM but those attributes makes him a decent CM/DM. Unfortunately Fellaini doesnt have any attribute to make him a decent DM, I dont think he will ever be a good CM/DM for us or any team
You guys must never have watched Everton then, if you think he has none of those attributes... Bizarre
He was poor at CM/DM at Everton. ask any Everton fan, They'll tell the exact same thing
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This is a myth.
He did well in central midfield in his 2nd season when he was asked to play in that position due to injury problems.
He also did well when Darron Gibson first arrived at Everton. The pair of them formed a decent partnership which was getting plaudits at the time.
Now I'm not trying to make excuses for him but it's wrong to say he was nothing but poor in a deeper role for Everton.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
You guys must never have watched Everton then, if you think he has none of those attributes... Bizarre
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What are these attributes. I've asked you and robb in the past, to name them.
Please name then
Strength.. Can pick a pass.. Can tackle.. Has good vision.
I watch ALOT of Everton games and he is decent in the CM role
To say otherwise is to admit you don't watch Everton much... Simple as that
It depends on the standards you set. If you think Felaini at CM is decent or his passing or tackling decent, then you are setting the standards for decent very low.
Jones's tackling is decent imo, When compared to that Fellaini's tackling falls way short, as with the rest of attributes
Fellaini to me is quite a skillful player who is good with the ball at his feet, he does have a decent passing range, but he doesnt have the energy or discipline to play in our midfield IMO, the game against everton all he did was chase the ball round the pitch for 90 minutes like a dog in the park, he left enormous gaps between himself and the DM's which Barkley and Mirallas just waltzed into at will, most of the time Giggs was our most deep lying MF.
If you think Felaini at CM is decent or his passing or tackling decent, then you are setting the standards for decent very low.
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Are you talking about now or back then while he was playing in that position at Everton though?
If now, then what you've said is correct, if you're talking about those two periods I've mentioned while he was at Everton however, well I just can't agree because he was getting a fair bit of praise at the time.
As JSPC says, you must've seen next to nothing of Everton back then.
Mex
Can't really argue with anything you've said there.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
Strength.. Can pick a pass.. Can tackle.. Has good vision.
I watch ALOT of Everton games and he is decent in the CM role
To say otherwise is to admit you don't watch Everton much... Simple as that
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Really, how come we have seen none of that for Utd? Or when Martinez took over?
Surely you would see a few signs, right?
I have seen very little of Fellaini unless it's against us or the few games he has played.
The Red Side
I have watched Everton play sometimes but I didnt see Felaini constantly making defend splitting passes or tackles. He must have done it in games I didnt watch He was just making 5 yard sideways and backward passes in the ones I watched
Good at Everton is not the same as good for United. The guy has been a bad buy thus far.
We should sign Cabaye and play him in midfield with Fellaini and Carrick.
Imagine the pace and drive.
Good at Everton is not the same as good for United. The guy has been a bad buy thus far.
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I haven't stated otherwise.
I'm just saying he wasn't as poor as people make out when deployed deeper at Everton.
I agree with you TRS. At Everton he was a handful and I'll never forget that match were he handled us well. Even then he was never the type of player we needed and I blame Moyes for every rubbish game he has as he does not deserve to be in United's line up.
But what is unforgivable is for a United player to be so dire when it comes to the basic things. He and Valencia are currently insulting the Red badge.
I agree with what Mex said.
Fellaini isn't a bad footballer, but he's so slow that he really needs immense ability to make up for it in our midfield, and he doesn't have immense ability.
Carrick and Scholes did, and even then, they struggled against powerful pacy midfield, and they were far more intelligent players defensively than Fellaini - Scholes' mistimed tackles aside.
No every player is going to be lightning quick but at least try, and pretend to care if you must. Compare Fletcher's first game back in over a year to all of Fellaini's games. Fletcher was quick but the basic things he did, made it an awesome return for him.
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posted on 3/1/14
Oh dear Robb there's no debating with you. N'zogbia was never and will never be good enough for England. Just like Fellaini was never and will never be A) Good enough for us and B) the best DM in the league.
posted on 3/1/14
Fellaini is not good enough is Stoke
posted on 3/1/14
comment by If United did beers... (U16990)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh dear Robb there's no debating with you. N'zogbia was never and will never be good enough for England. Just like Fellaini was never and will never be A) Good enough for us and B) the best DM in the league.
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This was in 2010. Back then Shaun Wright Phillips, David Nugent and Matthew Upson were making the England team.
posted on 3/1/14
Still does not make Fellaini a superb midfielder
posted on 3/1/14
Good DM should be able to work hard, tackle, read the play and make interceptions etc. Felaini cant do any of that, he is useless at DM. All he can do is head down the balls that are hoofed in his direction.
posted on 3/1/14
Be honest with yourselves .... At the start of the season... You'd have cried about seeing Jones at CM..... But a few good games and he is now held in high regard ...
This can and probably will happen with Fellaini too
posted on 3/1/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 5 minutes ago
Be honest with yourselves .... At the start of the season... You'd have cried about seeing Jones at CM..... But a few good games and he is now held in high regard ...
This can and probably will happen with Fellaini too
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I saw Jones play in DM at Blackburn, he has some of the attributes, not all but some.
Fellaini has none
posted on 3/1/14
Jones was always a hard worker and wasnt afraid to tackle and put his body on the line. He isnt a great DM but those attributes makes him a decent CM/DM. Unfortunately Fellaini doesnt have any attribute to make him a decent DM, I dont think he will ever be a good CM/DM for us or any team
posted on 3/1/14
You guys must never have watched Everton then, if you think he has none of those attributes... Bizarre
posted on 3/1/14
He was poor at CM/DM at Everton. ask any Everton fan, They'll tell the exact same thing
-------------------------------------------
This is a myth.
He did well in central midfield in his 2nd season when he was asked to play in that position due to injury problems.
He also did well when Darron Gibson first arrived at Everton. The pair of them formed a decent partnership which was getting plaudits at the time.
Now I'm not trying to make excuses for him but it's wrong to say he was nothing but poor in a deeper role for Everton.
posted on 3/1/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
You guys must never have watched Everton then, if you think he has none of those attributes... Bizarre
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What are these attributes. I've asked you and robb in the past, to name them.
Please name then
posted on 3/1/14
Strength.. Can pick a pass.. Can tackle.. Has good vision.
I watch ALOT of Everton games and he is decent in the CM role
To say otherwise is to admit you don't watch Everton much... Simple as that
posted on 3/1/14
It depends on the standards you set. If you think Felaini at CM is decent or his passing or tackling decent, then you are setting the standards for decent very low.
Jones's tackling is decent imo, When compared to that Fellaini's tackling falls way short, as with the rest of attributes
posted on 3/1/14
Fellaini to me is quite a skillful player who is good with the ball at his feet, he does have a decent passing range, but he doesnt have the energy or discipline to play in our midfield IMO, the game against everton all he did was chase the ball round the pitch for 90 minutes like a dog in the park, he left enormous gaps between himself and the DM's which Barkley and Mirallas just waltzed into at will, most of the time Giggs was our most deep lying MF.
posted on 3/1/14
If you think Felaini at CM is decent or his passing or tackling decent, then you are setting the standards for decent very low.
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Are you talking about now or back then while he was playing in that position at Everton though?
If now, then what you've said is correct, if you're talking about those two periods I've mentioned while he was at Everton however, well I just can't agree because he was getting a fair bit of praise at the time.
As JSPC says, you must've seen next to nothing of Everton back then.
posted on 3/1/14
Mex
Can't really argue with anything you've said there.
posted on 3/1/14
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 16 minutes ago
Strength.. Can pick a pass.. Can tackle.. Has good vision.
I watch ALOT of Everton games and he is decent in the CM role
To say otherwise is to admit you don't watch Everton much... Simple as that
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Really, how come we have seen none of that for Utd? Or when Martinez took over?
Surely you would see a few signs, right?
posted on 3/1/14
I have seen very little of Fellaini unless it's against us or the few games he has played.
posted on 3/1/14
The Red Side
I have watched Everton play sometimes but I didnt see Felaini constantly making defend splitting passes or tackles. He must have done it in games I didnt watch He was just making 5 yard sideways and backward passes in the ones I watched
posted on 3/1/14
Good at Everton is not the same as good for United. The guy has been a bad buy thus far.
posted on 3/1/14
We should sign Cabaye and play him in midfield with Fellaini and Carrick.
Imagine the pace and drive.
posted on 3/1/14
Good at Everton is not the same as good for United. The guy has been a bad buy thus far.
---------------------------------------------------
I haven't stated otherwise.
I'm just saying he wasn't as poor as people make out when deployed deeper at Everton.
posted on 3/1/14
I agree with you TRS. At Everton he was a handful and I'll never forget that match were he handled us well. Even then he was never the type of player we needed and I blame Moyes for every rubbish game he has as he does not deserve to be in United's line up.
But what is unforgivable is for a United player to be so dire when it comes to the basic things. He and Valencia are currently insulting the Red badge.
posted on 3/1/14
I agree with what Mex said.
Fellaini isn't a bad footballer, but he's so slow that he really needs immense ability to make up for it in our midfield, and he doesn't have immense ability.
Carrick and Scholes did, and even then, they struggled against powerful pacy midfield, and they were far more intelligent players defensively than Fellaini - Scholes' mistimed tackles aside.
posted on 3/1/14
No every player is going to be lightning quick but at least try, and pretend to care if you must. Compare Fletcher's first game back in over a year to all of Fellaini's games. Fletcher was quick but the basic things he did, made it an awesome return for him.
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