As a part time Roma fan/follower I have to say I thought Lamela was better to watch the season before last when he was played in the role behind the striker. Got more involved in the game and made it flow. When he went out to the rw he went 'missing' to an extent, but added a killer instinct which was pretty impressive though.

He was never the star player at Roma in my eyes, de rossi and pjanic. Anyone getting fed off them and totti were going to get some impressive stats. However, what impressed me most at Roma is that he always looked like he was a split second ahead of everyone else, which is why everything he did came off effortlessly.

Whenever I have seen him play for spurs he has been on a delay or something. Seems a split second off the pace, feints his body one way to move the ball the other, but then forgets to move the ball and only does it when the defender is on balance.


He has been very poorly managed though, as chronic accurately summed up. The start at city was baffling to say the least.

However he hasn't proved that he should start ahead of Lennon (who has been one of our better players this season). He does deserve a chance though, I wouldn't mind him replacing soldado at the weekend, and him and eriksen swapping positions between cam and rw throughout. Think we would play some nice football then.

Erik lamela who trust me is twice as talented as Lennon
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Don

Trust you? I am afraid I find that impossible to do after you got excited about us appointing AVB

This is a very complicated situation and a lot of points of view are correct but they all go a bit to far.

Yes a run of games might help but we are in a highly competitive league and we do not have the luxury of gambling on a player who has shown us little so far other than against a pub team.

Obviously chicken is correct and players should be selected on current form (as seen in training of course), not on how much they cost or what potential they have.

The biggest problem is the manager. Sherwood has not selected him and I am not surprised, modern day managers do not have the time to give a player who is not doing it a run of games before he hits form there is every chance they will be sacked.

He has had no choice whatsoever but play it as safe as he can and negotiate his way around the injuries we have at the moment. If he does anything else his P45 will be with him before he can blink.

To a certain extent AVB had the same problem AVB was under pressure after the first 6 games and he was always 3 games away from the sack.

How the hell can any manager give a player who has clearly not settled a run of games under those circumstances?

The media are like a pack of wolves just waiting for an opportunity to savage any manager and unfortunately the pressure this brings makes managers play it safe and so far the safe option is for Lamela to be a bit part player until such time as he is settled at the club.

If you cant see this then I will be totally surprised.

Bales,

From what part of my post did you get the impression I was claiming Sherwood picked Ade from reputation? He was picked after proving himself in this league, by being a success in this league, by being unplayable in this league. Ade is not an unknown quantity in this league. I know this, Tim knows this, everyone knows this.

Lamela is none of the above - and that is the point. How can't you see the difference?

how can lamela become a known quantity if he never plays?

people were asking the same questions of eriksen when he wasn't playing - now he is actually playing consistently we are starting to see what he can do.

how can lamela become a known quantity if he never plays
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Well he needs to do enough in training that Sherwood has no option but pick him

Don,

I didn't take offence but why do you mention Lamela doing well in EL but you didn't post in the same way (consistently) when Defoe was doing well?

I just find poster's opinions & reasonings so different per player. And as you know, inconsistencies is my biggest hate on these boards.

No matter what anybody thinks its fairly obvious that Lamela has not done enough yet to hold down a place in the team.

Yes he may have potential but that does not earn him a right to play.

There must be a reason why Sherwood picked Bentelab against the woolwich when he could have played Lamela wide left and moved Eriksen into the centre which is his normal position anyway.

For some reason a total novice is picked ahead of an international? I may not particularly want Sherwood as manager but I dont consider him a total idiot so he must have his reasons.

It was not only Sherwood that did not pick him either AVB hardly picked him. From what I have seen of him so far I would not pick him either so how anybody is clamouring for him to be in the team god only knows.

Please explain to me just what he has done so far that warrants a first team place?

Dont talk about potential or what he might turn out like, tell me why he should be picked now from what we have all seen from him so far.

Well let's be honest guys with jd gone it wouldn't hurt maybe trying Lamela up top just behind Adebayor maybe or Soldado? I personally think it could work a treat. I just don't think the guy has been given a fair chance and that's my opinion

grand,

I agree. Why would both AVB & Sherwood (opposites) not pick Lamela?

Posters claimed Ade weren't picked under AVB for the right reasons but won't accept Lamela not being picked by TWO managers.

It's clearly not an alienation problem - it's an ability problem in a Spurs shirt. Nothing more - nothing less.

Well let's be honest guys with jd gone it wouldn't hurt maybe trying Lamela up top just behind Adebayor maybe or Soldado? I personally think it could work a treat. I just don't think the guy has been given a fair chance and that's my opinion
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Don

Thats a gamble at best and dont you think somebody who watches these players train everyday, play attack against defence, play training matches has not had a good look and said that either a) he is not ready or that b) there are better options?

I know you want him to succeed but I really dont see how you can claim he has done enough to warrant a place if he has I have not seen it

Again I agree with grand.

I have no idea what Don has seen in Lamela in a Spurs shirt to be so behind him, more than any other player, other than the usual "save face" reason that we paid so much for him.

If he was any other player, a youth player come through, a cheap player from lower leagues or anything else, Don would not be rooting for him.

We're all stubborn from what we believed would happen but it comes a point where we have to accept our original judgement could be wrong. And I'm afraid Don, your judgement of Lamela has been wrong.

For some reason a total novice is picked ahead of an international? I may not particularly want Sherwood as manager but I dont consider him a total idiot so he must have his reasons

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As we're constantly remimded on here having a different opinion on who to pick or how to play doesn't make you an idiot. Lamela scored 15(?) last season and has already been capped by Argentina.. Soldado has been rubbish, I agree with Don - he deserves a go

What I have seen of Lamela chicken is his brilliance at Roma which you haven't mate to be fair so I'm better equipped to judge to be honest. He has barely had 2 games on the spin so how can you sit there and say I been proved wrong?

Grandspur, you sit there and say Lamela Dosent deserve to start due to poor performances but in my opinion Aaron Lennon has had a shocker this season apart from the stoke game. So why is Lennon being picked every game? Lamela has to be given a fair run of 5/6 games in a row like Lennon has before we all sit there and judge him. I have seen Lamela before his move to spurs and I don't care if it's serie A, he was awesome.

What I have seen of Lamela chicken is his brilliance at Roma
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Yes and Rasiak was pretty impressive at Derby from what I remember.

Zamora was pretty good for Fulham and West Ham got an England cap or two shame we never saw it.

What he did at Roma is neither here nor there its what he has done since he came to THFC. Different club, different language, different style of football.

If you need anymore proof Torres was brilliant at pool for at least a couple of years does that make him a great player at chelsea?

Don,

What about Chadli's brilliance at Ajax? Why are you not being so strongly opinionated about him?

Even a proven player like Defoe has only had 2 league starts even though he has been far more impressive in EL than Lamela.

Siggy is another one. He has impressed everywhere he has been. He's even impressed more in a Spurs shirt than Lamela yet you don't show any such support.

Forgive me for being patronising, but you do seem to attach yourself to a belief about someone (AVB was another example) & you won't accept anything different until proven otherwise.

We all have our preferred selections, I get that, but there should be some substance behind our reasoning, some proof - and what a player did in another country isn't relevant - it's not enough to warrant a start or run in the Spurs team.

Sorry pal

and what a player did in another country isn't relevant - it's not enough
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Its a bit like what a manager did in another country Don

Don,

How can you question Lennon's ability in the same debate as claiming Lamela deserves a place.

Lennon has proved time & time & time again he..can play at this level. Lamela has looked no..better than a reserve player.

I don't see how you can even compare the 2.

Chadli I never saw before his move to spurs. Lamela I did. Let's not go down the Avb route now everytime you are trying to " prove me wrong" yes I was wrong about abc but I am certainly not wrong in what I have seen of Lamela and know if given the chance he can transform that to spurs. Don't see why your finding it so hard to grasp mate. He has not been given a proper chance and I think you and Grandspur seem to be the only ones who disagree. Everyone I have spoken to on here and my own personal friends feel he has been treated unfairly and not been given a run of games to proper prove himself. This is a fact because whilst everyone else has been given game after game, Lamela hasen't.


Grandspur, we can sit there and say that about any player. Every player has the potential to be a flop. Atleast give the kid a bloody chance to prove himself

Grandspur, you sit there and say Lamela Dosent deserve to start due to poor performances but in my opinion Aaron Lennon has had a shocker this season apart from the stoke game.
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Well considering he has been injured half the season I dont think thats a fair comparison and his performances have been in the prem not against a load of part time waiters in the Europa where Lamela had his only decent game of the season

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Don,

Lamela has been given a chance just as much as every other player - why do you think he should get an exceptional chance - even though his performances in a Spurs shirt has been very much poorer than other squad members?

You need to forget about Roma & start thinking about Spurs.

We will chat tommorow boys, I'm going bed

Grandspur, we can sit there and say that about any player. Every player has the potential to be a flop. Atleast give the kid a bloody chance to prove himself
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Don

You insisted I was wrong about avb and was just as vehement in your defence of him

Exactly the same with Gomes

Lamela has to EARN a chance not be given it and as I think he has started one prem game this season under 2 different managers he obviously has not earned that chance.

As for what people on here have to say SO WHAT do you think they are correct just cos they agree with you?

I seem to remember the whole board having a pop at me, chicken and HRH about our views on AVB.

Because the others all agreed with you did that make them right then?

and btw who were the other two south americans that were great everywhere they went except England.

The two that spring to mind are Veron and Forlan.

Maybe Lamela is a bit like them and will never adapt to english football and its clear in training, who knows