A professional foul is an offence by a player that results in losing posession. It is a trade off, the advantage of stopping play is exchanged for a yellow card. The net result is that the offending team stops play, but is punished.
Diving on the other hand is deliberately pressuring the referee into making an incorrect decision. The offending team stands to benefit from the situation, twice. Not only will they be awarded possession, but awarded it without being penalised, even though in retrospect it can be proven unjust. It is forcing the referee to make an otherwise objective decision, subjective. It is now subjective because the referee must decide whether there was genuine contact or not, seen as he cannot have actually seen any real contact, given the offending player was diving.
comment by Chambers. (U16926)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Never seen the problem with diving. Not even because of Suarez, but even before with Drogba I didn't see the problem. Ok, if someone's squared up to someone and they go down whilst holding his face pretending he's head butted him, fair enough, that shouldn't be allowed. But going to the floor in pursuit of a penalty or free kick isn't a 'disgrace'. I laughed when the commentators were saying 'Jovetic's has so much talent why does he need to stain himself with things like that'. There's a difference between feigning injury and diving. Feigning injury is bad, diving is not.
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Good post. How I see it is... its the defenders jobs to hide contact i.e hands in the air, acting as though they have done nothing wrong, and its an attackers job to sell contact to the refs, i.e exaggerating contact, and going down easily.
"Here's a question for you then. A lot of us accept that players will commit a foul under extreme circumstances in order that he takes the consequences but gives his team a chance.
Don't let this turn into a hate discussion but what if the player commited a handball on the line to save his team?"
I can think of a certain example, involving a certain player where this very thing happened!!!!! On that occasion I didn't applaud the player but I 100% knew why he did it and would have done the exact same myself. The vilification was ludicrous as that was the pure definition of taking one for the team. Had he not done that, they would have been out. I would argue that ot would have been disappointing to not act in that way!
On the issue of the article, I do hate how diving is seen as the worst thing in the world, whereas cynical deliberate fouls are seen as brave and "taking one for the team." Each are sneaky and dishonest in their own right. For those who rightly (in theory) say their is a difference as with a foul, you aren't attempting to deceive anyone, I have another scenario. What if you "take one for the team" on the half way line, when an opponent has only you between him and the goal. Letter of the law, it's a red (and should be imo) but the ref won't give it as refs are bottlers. In its own way that's dishonest.
Well, simulation can get players booked or sent off, while the others are unlikely to do that. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that there are different levels of cheating, some more acceptable (though still wrong) than others.
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So it's better to cheat 20 times in a game to gain 20 small advantages than once to obtain one big one?
I don't even understand the whole thought process of diving. I'm the type of player who likes to take players on which can lead to getting tackled and a few kicks here and there, but at no point do I ever think that "I'll dive it someone goes to tackle me", because I'm always focused on getting past the opponent and getting the shot/pass away - is this just me?
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sorry mate, I thought everyone would have known already
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Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
Next question.
Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
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Nailed it in one.
comment by He's French, He's Flash...comment by Jay - I'll think of something profound to put here. (U16498) posted 14 minutes ago I'm not gay, or bi ffs. Closest I get is a bit of shémale pórn ffs. (U9335)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
Next question.
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posted on 15/2/14
A professional foul is an offence by a player that results in losing posession. It is a trade off, the advantage of stopping play is exchanged for a yellow card. The net result is that the offending team stops play, but is punished.
Diving on the other hand is deliberately pressuring the referee into making an incorrect decision. The offending team stands to benefit from the situation, twice. Not only will they be awarded possession, but awarded it without being penalised, even though in retrospect it can be proven unjust. It is forcing the referee to make an otherwise objective decision, subjective. It is now subjective because the referee must decide whether there was genuine contact or not, seen as he cannot have actually seen any real contact, given the offending player was diving.
posted on 15/2/14
comment by Chambers. (U16926)
posted 1 hour, 12 minutes ago
Never seen the problem with diving. Not even because of Suarez, but even before with Drogba I didn't see the problem. Ok, if someone's squared up to someone and they go down whilst holding his face pretending he's head butted him, fair enough, that shouldn't be allowed. But going to the floor in pursuit of a penalty or free kick isn't a 'disgrace'. I laughed when the commentators were saying 'Jovetic's has so much talent why does he need to stain himself with things like that'. There's a difference between feigning injury and diving. Feigning injury is bad, diving is not.
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Good post. How I see it is... its the defenders jobs to hide contact i.e hands in the air, acting as though they have done nothing wrong, and its an attackers job to sell contact to the refs, i.e exaggerating contact, and going down easily.
posted on 16/2/14
"Here's a question for you then. A lot of us accept that players will commit a foul under extreme circumstances in order that he takes the consequences but gives his team a chance.
Don't let this turn into a hate discussion but what if the player commited a handball on the line to save his team?"
I can think of a certain example, involving a certain player where this very thing happened!!!!! On that occasion I didn't applaud the player but I 100% knew why he did it and would have done the exact same myself. The vilification was ludicrous as that was the pure definition of taking one for the team. Had he not done that, they would have been out. I would argue that ot would have been disappointing to not act in that way!
On the issue of the article, I do hate how diving is seen as the worst thing in the world, whereas cynical deliberate fouls are seen as brave and "taking one for the team." Each are sneaky and dishonest in their own right. For those who rightly (in theory) say their is a difference as with a foul, you aren't attempting to deceive anyone, I have another scenario. What if you "take one for the team" on the half way line, when an opponent has only you between him and the goal. Letter of the law, it's a red (and should be imo) but the ref won't give it as refs are bottlers. In its own way that's dishonest.
posted on 16/2/14
Well, simulation can get players booked or sent off, while the others are unlikely to do that. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to say that there are different levels of cheating, some more acceptable (though still wrong) than others.
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So it's better to cheat 20 times in a game to gain 20 small advantages than once to obtain one big one?
posted on 16/2/14
I don't even understand the whole thought process of diving. I'm the type of player who likes to take players on which can lead to getting tackled and a few kicks here and there, but at no point do I ever think that "I'll dive it someone goes to tackle me", because I'm always focused on getting past the opponent and getting the shot/pass away - is this just me?
posted on 16/2/14
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posted on 16/2/14
sorry mate, I thought everyone would have known already
posted on 16/2/14
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posted on 16/2/14
Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
Next question.
posted on 16/2/14
Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
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Nailed it in one.
posted on 16/2/14
comment by He's French, He's Flash...comment by Jay - I'll think of something profound to put here. (U16498) posted 14 minutes ago I'm not gay, or bi ffs. Closest I get is a bit of shémale pórn ffs. (U9335)
posted 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
Why is diving so bad?
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Because it is cheating.
Next question.
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Why isn't arm waving to claim throw-ins, corners, free-kicks and penalties vilified in the same way?
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