1) Only 1 set of fans had supporters killed,so no matter who the law courts blamed,the deaths were all suffered from the Juve supporters.No matter what provocation took place beforehand their is no justification in the killing of the 39.You may chose to hide behind the findings in the true 'always the victims never the perpetrators' way your fans do.
2) No fans from other clubs in England before or since have anything like this to tarnish the reputations of both their clubs and supporters like your club has.
3) I said from the day we got banned from Europe was the day I despised both the Liverpool fans and the club.I am not blaming every Liverpool supporter for the tragedy.It was the subhumans on that day that I blame,but my feelings towards your team and your fans changed from the day we got banned.I used to go to games at Anfield on derby days and also with a RS mate of mine when he got spare tickets for other games.Never been inside Anfield since.
4) I can say the same about you.
By the way,the only times I've ever been ashamed of being from Liverpool was Heysel and the killing of James Bolger when they found out that it was 2 children who had committed the crime
I was recently shamed by reading that VOR claims to be from Liverpool
A decrepit stadium with a wall on the verge of collapse.
A bad idea from the authorities to sell tickets for a 'neutral' area.
Poor policing.
etc etc.
I am sure you already know all this, seeing as you Everton fans are such experts on Heysel.
If it was solely Liverpool fans to blame then their wouldn't have been convictions for both the Police Captain of the time, and the General Secretary of the Belgian FA, as well as conditional discharges for both the UEFA President and General Secretary.
It was a tragedy, for which some Liverpool 'fans' were responsible, and some of those subsequently went to prison. They weren't murderers, they were convicted for involuntary manslaughter because there were other mitigating factors that caused the deaths of 39 fans.
It was a series of circumstances that came together, with blame attached to numerous groups and individuals.
To suggest it could only have been Liverpool fans who would cause such a thing is to completely miss the point of both the era, and the evidence, and the convictions.
If two other clubs had made the final, it could well have been their hooligans who caused the deaths.
R1
Why are you saying Everton fans.....Its a couple here. The rest know it was a hatchet job by Thatcher and UEFA.
Lets just look how english teams were so dominant.
1) Only 1 set of fans had supporters killed,so no matter who the law courts blamed,the deaths were all suffered from the Juve supporters.No matter what provocation took place beforehand their is no justification in the killing of the 39.You may chose to hide behind the findings in the true 'always the victims never the perpetrators' way your fans do.
2) No fans from other clubs in England before or since have anything like this to tarnish the reputations of both their clubs and supporters like your club has.
3) I said from the day we got banned from Europe was the day I despised both the Liverpool fans and the club.I am not blaming every Liverpool supporter for the tragedy.It was the subhumans on that day that I blame,but my feelings towards your team and your fans changed from the day we got banned.I used to go to games at Anfield on derby days and also with a RS mate of mine when he got spare tickets for other games.Never been inside Anfield since.
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You don't know the 39 victims were all Juve fans, not that it matters, they were 32 Italians, 4 Belgians, 2 Frenchmen, and one from Northern Ireland.
They didn't kill them, to kill someone is to commit murder. They charged at them, a wall collapsed, people subsequently died.
Its not a case of hiding behind findings, its facts. There was no whitewash on Heysel, the truth came out.
2) Its great that no other group of fans has anything as tragic to associate themselves with. Thats just good fortune though, not because Liverpool fans were worse than all others.
3) Thats your own petty stupidity. You care more about your club missing a few years of football, than you do about 39 people dying.
Arouna
Unfortunately you don't have that many fans on this board, and many of those that are on here seem to be very bitter.
You are correct that its not fair to generalise Everton fans.
The stadium was built in 1930
How many other deaths in the stadium since opening?
Your fans can't be trusted to mix with opposition fans?
Did the stadium sell "neutral zone " tickets previously?
I would be amazed if it hadn't in 55 years.
Poor policing?
How many deaths were caused previously by "poor policing"
I am pretty sure it would be the same police force for previous games.
3) Thats your own petty stupidity. You care more about your club missing a few years of football, than you do about 39 people dying.
Tell me where I have said that?
The fact that you so often crassly bring up Heysel shows the lack of respect you have for those that died.
As does your clear lack of respect for the findings.
You are not interested in truth or lives, you are just interested in being able to score bitterness points.
Why were there other convictions then Voice Of Reason?
Are you like Phil, going to completely ignore the findings of the law courts in favour of your own twisted version of events?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html
It could be any clubs set of fans? or is their some sort of pattern emerging.
How many other clubs have had their fans branded as the worst set of fans in Europe?
he report paints a damning picture of the Anfield club's fans' behaviour at
last month's Champions League final in Athens.
UEFA insist those alleged incidents - with many supporters who held genuine tickets complaining of being denied entry into the stadium - were the latest in a long line of transgressions.
UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: "The incidents involving Liverpool fans have been well known to us before the trouble at the Champions League final which involved Liverpool fans last week.
"That was just the latest example. What other set of fans steal tickets from their fellow supporters or out of the hands of children?
{2}
"We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.
"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."
Liverpool have sent their own report to UEFA complaining about lax security measures at the final. Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.
Gaillard added: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html#ixzz2tzh86xZx
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Since when does what UEFA say have any credence?
Platini later told the sports minister that Liverpool fans were no worse than any other (a man who played for Juve on the day of Heysel, so has history).
If its all Liverpool fans fault, why were there no problems at the two the European finals between Heysel and 2007?
Even if William Gaillard was completely correct, what does an event 22 years after Heysel have to do with Heysel?
This is typical of your deflection and bitterness.
You can't dispute the findings from Heysel, because they are facts, so you seek other avenues to try and point score.
25 incidents involving Liverpool fans between 2003-2008 suggests different.
Since when does what Platini say have any credence? did you see what I just did there?
IMO,
You brought this on yourself righteous.
Continuos reference to Everton having more arrests than Liverpool last season brought the inevitable response.
If we have more arrests than you for the next 10 seasons our club will never have the shame yours does
omment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is typical of your deflection and bitterness.
You can't dispute the findings from Heysel, because they are facts, so you seek other avenues to try and point score.
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I am merely disputing your claims that Heysel could have happened to another set of fans.
That's your opinion,but I am producing fact after fact that Liverpool fans have a long line of incidents after that fateful night.
You just proved my point
The 25 incidents mean nothing without context. Its just a number. What counts as an 'incident', how many 'incidents' have other clubs fans had?
You are getting increasingly desperate because as usual you have been utterly owned.
"We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.
"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."
Liverpool have sent their own report to UEFA complaining about lax security measures at the final. Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.
Gaillard added: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."
Same final 2 sets of fans,one set of fans well behaved,the other set are Liverpool supporters.
It says it all really
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Bricks-thrown-Hull-City-fans-coach-defeat/story-20391947-detail/story.html
Only a couple of months ago
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oldham-athletic-fan-mark-gregory-2993981
Another from a couple of months back.
But as you keep telling us,it could be any other clubs set of fans doing this
Not forgetting Liverpool fans were beating their own fans up and stealing their tickets at Athens final
Do you dispute the findings of the Heysel report and subsequent trials?
When are you taking this to court on behalf of the deceased?
comment by The Voice Of Reason (U19014)
posted 25 seconds ago
Not forgetting Liverpool fans were beating their own fans up and stealing their tickets at Athens final
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Uefa's fault apparently,the stadium again causing the problem as it was too small
Advantage Everton
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posted on 21/2/14
1) Only 1 set of fans had supporters killed,so no matter who the law courts blamed,the deaths were all suffered from the Juve supporters.No matter what provocation took place beforehand their is no justification in the killing of the 39.You may chose to hide behind the findings in the true 'always the victims never the perpetrators' way your fans do.
2) No fans from other clubs in England before or since have anything like this to tarnish the reputations of both their clubs and supporters like your club has.
3) I said from the day we got banned from Europe was the day I despised both the Liverpool fans and the club.I am not blaming every Liverpool supporter for the tragedy.It was the subhumans on that day that I blame,but my feelings towards your team and your fans changed from the day we got banned.I used to go to games at Anfield on derby days and also with a RS mate of mine when he got spare tickets for other games.Never been inside Anfield since.
4) I can say the same about you.
posted on 21/2/14
By the way,the only times I've ever been ashamed of being from Liverpool was Heysel and the killing of James Bolger when they found out that it was 2 children who had committed the crime
posted on 21/2/14
I was recently shamed by reading that VOR claims to be from Liverpool
posted on 21/2/14
A decrepit stadium with a wall on the verge of collapse.
A bad idea from the authorities to sell tickets for a 'neutral' area.
Poor policing.
etc etc.
I am sure you already know all this, seeing as you Everton fans are such experts on Heysel.
If it was solely Liverpool fans to blame then their wouldn't have been convictions for both the Police Captain of the time, and the General Secretary of the Belgian FA, as well as conditional discharges for both the UEFA President and General Secretary.
It was a tragedy, for which some Liverpool 'fans' were responsible, and some of those subsequently went to prison. They weren't murderers, they were convicted for involuntary manslaughter because there were other mitigating factors that caused the deaths of 39 fans.
It was a series of circumstances that came together, with blame attached to numerous groups and individuals.
To suggest it could only have been Liverpool fans who would cause such a thing is to completely miss the point of both the era, and the evidence, and the convictions.
If two other clubs had made the final, it could well have been their hooligans who caused the deaths.
posted on 21/2/14
R1
Why are you saying Everton fans.....Its a couple here. The rest know it was a hatchet job by Thatcher and UEFA.
Lets just look how english teams were so dominant.
posted on 21/2/14
1) Only 1 set of fans had supporters killed,so no matter who the law courts blamed,the deaths were all suffered from the Juve supporters.No matter what provocation took place beforehand their is no justification in the killing of the 39.You may chose to hide behind the findings in the true 'always the victims never the perpetrators' way your fans do.
2) No fans from other clubs in England before or since have anything like this to tarnish the reputations of both their clubs and supporters like your club has.
3) I said from the day we got banned from Europe was the day I despised both the Liverpool fans and the club.I am not blaming every Liverpool supporter for the tragedy.It was the subhumans on that day that I blame,but my feelings towards your team and your fans changed from the day we got banned.I used to go to games at Anfield on derby days and also with a RS mate of mine when he got spare tickets for other games.Never been inside Anfield since.
----
You don't know the 39 victims were all Juve fans, not that it matters, they were 32 Italians, 4 Belgians, 2 Frenchmen, and one from Northern Ireland.
They didn't kill them, to kill someone is to commit murder. They charged at them, a wall collapsed, people subsequently died.
Its not a case of hiding behind findings, its facts. There was no whitewash on Heysel, the truth came out.
2) Its great that no other group of fans has anything as tragic to associate themselves with. Thats just good fortune though, not because Liverpool fans were worse than all others.
3) Thats your own petty stupidity. You care more about your club missing a few years of football, than you do about 39 people dying.
posted on 21/2/14
Arouna
Unfortunately you don't have that many fans on this board, and many of those that are on here seem to be very bitter.
You are correct that its not fair to generalise Everton fans.
posted on 21/2/14
The stadium was built in 1930
How many other deaths in the stadium since opening?
Your fans can't be trusted to mix with opposition fans?
Did the stadium sell "neutral zone " tickets previously?
I would be amazed if it hadn't in 55 years.
Poor policing?
How many deaths were caused previously by "poor policing"
I am pretty sure it would be the same police force for previous games.
posted on 21/2/14
3) Thats your own petty stupidity. You care more about your club missing a few years of football, than you do about 39 people dying.
Tell me where I have said that?
posted on 21/2/14
The fact that you so often crassly bring up Heysel shows the lack of respect you have for those that died.
As does your clear lack of respect for the findings.
You are not interested in truth or lives, you are just interested in being able to score bitterness points.
posted on 21/2/14
Why were there other convictions then Voice Of Reason?
Are you like Phil, going to completely ignore the findings of the law courts in favour of your own twisted version of events?
posted on 21/2/14
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html
It could be any clubs set of fans? or is their some sort of pattern emerging.
How many other clubs have had their fans branded as the worst set of fans in Europe?
posted on 21/2/14
he report paints a damning picture of the Anfield club's fans' behaviour at
last month's Champions League final in Athens.
UEFA insist those alleged incidents - with many supporters who held genuine tickets complaining of being denied entry into the stadium - were the latest in a long line of transgressions.
UEFA spokesman William Gaillard said: "The incidents involving Liverpool fans have been well known to us before the trouble at the Champions League final which involved Liverpool fans last week.
"That was just the latest example. What other set of fans steal tickets from their fellow supporters or out of the hands of children?
{2}
"We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.
"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."
Liverpool have sent their own report to UEFA complaining about lax security measures at the final. Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.
Gaillard added: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-459708/Ticket-stealing-Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html#ixzz2tzh86xZx
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
posted on 21/2/14
Since when does what UEFA say have any credence?
Platini later told the sports minister that Liverpool fans were no worse than any other (a man who played for Juve on the day of Heysel, so has history).
If its all Liverpool fans fault, why were there no problems at the two the European finals between Heysel and 2007?
Even if William Gaillard was completely correct, what does an event 22 years after Heysel have to do with Heysel?
posted on 21/2/14
This is typical of your deflection and bitterness.
You can't dispute the findings from Heysel, because they are facts, so you seek other avenues to try and point score.
posted on 21/2/14
25 incidents involving Liverpool fans between 2003-2008 suggests different.
Since when does what Platini say have any credence? did you see what I just did there?
posted on 21/2/14
IMO,
You brought this on yourself righteous.
Continuos reference to Everton having more arrests than Liverpool last season brought the inevitable response.
If we have more arrests than you for the next 10 seasons our club will never have the shame yours does
posted on 21/2/14
omment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is typical of your deflection and bitterness.
You can't dispute the findings from Heysel, because they are facts, so you seek other avenues to try and point score.
---------------------------------------------------------------
I am merely disputing your claims that Heysel could have happened to another set of fans.
That's your opinion,but I am producing fact after fact that Liverpool fans have a long line of incidents after that fateful night.
posted on 21/2/14
You just proved my point
The 25 incidents mean nothing without context. Its just a number. What counts as an 'incident', how many 'incidents' have other clubs fans had?
You are getting increasingly desperate because as usual you have been utterly owned.
posted on 21/2/14
"We know what happened in Athens, and Liverpool fans were the cause of most of the trouble there.
"There have been 25 incidents involving Liverpool fans away from home since 2003 and these are in the report - most teams' supporters do not cause any trouble at all."
Liverpool have sent their own report to UEFA complaining about lax security measures at the final. Many supporters with forged tickets or no tickets at all managed to gain access to the stadium.
Gaillard added: "You must ask yourself why at the same match, with the same conditions, there was no trouble with the Milan fans - only the Liverpool fans."
Same final 2 sets of fans,one set of fans well behaved,the other set are Liverpool supporters.
It says it all really
posted on 21/2/14
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Bricks-thrown-Hull-City-fans-coach-defeat/story-20391947-detail/story.html
Only a couple of months ago
posted on 21/2/14
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/oldham-athletic-fan-mark-gregory-2993981
Another from a couple of months back.
But as you keep telling us,it could be any other clubs set of fans doing this
posted on 21/2/14
Not forgetting Liverpool fans were beating their own fans up and stealing their tickets at Athens final
posted on 21/2/14
Do you dispute the findings of the Heysel report and subsequent trials?
When are you taking this to court on behalf of the deceased?
posted on 21/2/14
comment by The Voice Of Reason (U19014)
posted 25 seconds ago
Not forgetting Liverpool fans were beating their own fans up and stealing their tickets at Athens final
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Uefa's fault apparently,the stadium again causing the problem as it was too small
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