I think they believe there is FA conspiracy to persecute stoke.
They are incensed that 'others stamp and kick' so why are they being punished??
For the record, they're not out to get Arsenal, it's just how they play.
And that isn't necessarily Hughes' fault, it's possibly that the players really are just talentless grocks, and there's not a lot else he can do. I don't remember his City team playing like that, for instance.
comment by Mex. (U6687)
posted 14 seconds ago
100 red cards
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50% were because of foul language
Here is Nzozi to back up your points: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/stoke-1-arsenal-0-steven-nzonzi-jibes-gunners-by-admitting-they-dont-like-it-when-you-kick-them-a-little-bit-9165787.html
I feel much better now.
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I bet you do
Now catch your breath
Anyway, the fact that Stoke have appealed Adam's retrospective says everything about them and how much they think they can get away with when playing against us
Stoke kick you.
Arsenal players constantly diving and squealing without being caught.
Stoke manager says you don't like it up you.
Wenger never sees any misdemeanour's of his players
Two sides of the same cheating coin.
Sheepthrills love it up him
Mex, the 100 red cards argument rests on the notion that there have been very few refereeing mistakes over the course of our last 1,000 games. One thing I can safely say is that Stoke have got away with a fair few red cards in their time.
Furthermore, if you look at the stats you'll see that not many of those red cards were for serious foul play or violent conduct.
And anyway, the point I was making is not that they foul, but that they deliberately set out to play like this, which is wrong.
The red cards Wenger has racked up over the years were not as a result of a dirty tactic to hurt our opponents. They were, by and large, down to the individual. Wenger never sends a team of his out to play like that. At least that's my educated guess, but I highly doubt anyone genuinely disagrees with me about that. You may pretend to disagree, Mex, because it is convenient for the argument you are making, but we both know deep down that Wenger is not the type of manager or the type of person to encourage his players to kick the opposition.
comment by Arshavin's Legacy (U10307)
posted 27 seconds ago
Mex, the 100 red cards argument rests on the notion that there have been very few refereeing mistakes over the course of our last 1,000 games. One thing I can safely say is that Stoke have got away with a fair few red cards in their time.
Furthermore, if you look at the stats you'll see that not many of those red cards were for serious foul play or violent conduct.
And anyway, the point I was making is not that they foul, but that they deliberately set out to play like this, which is wrong.
The red cards Wenger has racked up over the years were not as a result of a dirty tactic to hurt our opponents. They were, by and large, down to the individual. Wenger never sends a team of his out to play like that. At least that's my educated guess, but I highly doubt anyone genuinely disagrees with me about that. You may pretend to disagree, Mex, because it is convenient for the argument you are making, but we both know deep down that Wenger is not the type of manager or the type of person to encourage his players to kick the opposition.
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blimey all that for a 3 word comment
Sheepthrills, the 1st point is simply not true, whilst the 2nd point (partly true, but all managers are guilty of it) seems to me to be kind of irrelevant.
blimey all that for a 3 word comment
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He posted a well thought out counter-argument and that's your reply...smh... Is this not a football forum to discuss football related things?
This site is full of idiots looking to just wind up people.. Not enough people actually willing to discuss and debate the game we love so much. It's why I hardly post here any more.
comment by Hello. (U12286)
posted 22 minutes ago
blimey all that for a 3 word comment
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He posted a well thought out counter-argument and that's your reply...smh... Is this not a football forum to discuss football related things?
This site is full of idiots looking to just wind up people.. Not enough people actually willing to discuss and debate the game we love so much. It's why I hardly post here any more.
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You know what, I wholeheartedly agree.
Forget about being 'so over that stuff'
I say kick their heads in in the tunnel :/
I hope the Russians invade stoke and annex them. Or at least use it for a nuclear testing ground
Here's the thing about Stoke - the main defence of their thuggery was 'they don't have the resources to play pretty passing football, so they have to make do with what they have.'
What nobody seems to realise is that, in their first two seasons in the top flight, they spent over £50m on players. Hardly a shoe-string budget that would only bring kick-and-rush players.
The real issue is this - Stoke City represent a throwback to a time in football which some English people prefer. A time when a day at the football was a chance to drink yourself stupid, direct mindless prejudice at anyone who wasn't white and start a massive punch-up.
Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke. There's always cloggers, but we're not capable of dealing with them with the present set of players and manager. If they don't practice tackling in training then there's no chance of changing this.
Stoke know arsenal have a weak mentality and exploit it time and again
Look closer to home to see the problem because it really isn't stokes fault that arsenal lack bottle and a winning mentality
There is still no excuse to continually stamp on players foot,
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot #SAVEDAVE (U1037)
posted 15 minutes ago
You see you can't actually stamp on players. I think that's probably where you have confused yourself.
Do you realise this?
Is anyone blaming stoke for arsenal being trophyless?? I don't think they are.
100 red cards over 17 and a half years is nothing. It works out to be 6 red cards a season which is pretty average.
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Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke.
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I would too. If the unintended message from this topic is that Arsenal players are intimidated by teams like Stoke, then, maybe, that says more about the Gunners than it does about Stoke.
The "candy ass" style of back-and-forth across the field style of football that Arsenal has been playing perhaps creates "softer" players. I've been saying for a long time that Arsenal needs a couple of "hard men" on the field to balance these types of situations.
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 17 hours, 34 minutes ago
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Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke.
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I would too. If the unintended message from this topic is that Arsenal players are intimidated by teams like Stoke, then, maybe, that says more about the Gunners than it does about Stoke.
The "candy ass" style of back-and-forth across the field style of football that Arsenal has been playing perhaps creates "softer" players. I've been saying for a long time that Arsenal needs a couple of "hard men" on the field to balance these types of situations.
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These comments make for good rhetoric, but when you actually analyse the games we've played against Stoke there is very little basis for them. Can you give me one specific example? When Giroud got stamped on, should he have just got up and pretended it never happened? When Wilshere got kneed in the side of the leg, should he have kneed the opposing player back?
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot #SAVEDAVE (U1037)
posted 20 hours, 11 minutes ago
Stoke know arsenal have a weak mentality and exploit it time and again
Look closer to home to see the problem because it really isn't stokes fault that arsenal lack bottle and a winning mentality
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You've failed to engage with a single point I've made. When Giroud got stamped on, was that a lack of bottle and winning mentality? Was that an example of Stoke being braver and stronger than arsenal? Again, if you re-watch the games we've played against Stoke you'll quite clearly see that their tactics against us are unacceptable, and that is the problem. Not to say that our mentality is perfect, but that does not excuse what they do or change the fact that they do it.
Arshavin,
I don't think that Stoke kicks the stuffing out of every team's players. They know what they are dealing with when they play the Gunners. With all due respect, you are part of the "poor little Arsenal" mentality that isn't going to be corrected until the word gets out that these offenses will not solely be left up to the referee, but maybe there will be some "on-field" consequences? In the mean time
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posted on 5/3/14
I think they believe there is FA conspiracy to persecute stoke.
They are incensed that 'others stamp and kick' so why are they being punished??
posted on 5/3/14
For the record, they're not out to get Arsenal, it's just how they play.
And that isn't necessarily Hughes' fault, it's possibly that the players really are just talentless grocks, and there's not a lot else he can do. I don't remember his City team playing like that, for instance.
posted on 5/3/14
100 red cards
posted on 5/3/14
comment by Mex. (U6687)
posted 14 seconds ago
100 red cards
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50% were because of foul language
posted on 5/3/14
Here is Nzozi to back up your points: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/stoke-1-arsenal-0-steven-nzonzi-jibes-gunners-by-admitting-they-dont-like-it-when-you-kick-them-a-little-bit-9165787.html
posted on 5/3/14
I feel much better now.
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I bet you do
Now catch your breath
Anyway, the fact that Stoke have appealed Adam's retrospective says everything about them and how much they think they can get away with when playing against us
posted on 5/3/14
Stoke kick you.
Arsenal players constantly diving and squealing without being caught.
Stoke manager says you don't like it up you.
Wenger never sees any misdemeanour's of his players
Two sides of the same cheating coin.
posted on 5/3/14
Sheepthrills love it up him
posted on 5/3/14
Mex, the 100 red cards argument rests on the notion that there have been very few refereeing mistakes over the course of our last 1,000 games. One thing I can safely say is that Stoke have got away with a fair few red cards in their time.
Furthermore, if you look at the stats you'll see that not many of those red cards were for serious foul play or violent conduct.
And anyway, the point I was making is not that they foul, but that they deliberately set out to play like this, which is wrong.
The red cards Wenger has racked up over the years were not as a result of a dirty tactic to hurt our opponents. They were, by and large, down to the individual. Wenger never sends a team of his out to play like that. At least that's my educated guess, but I highly doubt anyone genuinely disagrees with me about that. You may pretend to disagree, Mex, because it is convenient for the argument you are making, but we both know deep down that Wenger is not the type of manager or the type of person to encourage his players to kick the opposition.
posted on 5/3/14
comment by Arshavin's Legacy (U10307)
posted 27 seconds ago
Mex, the 100 red cards argument rests on the notion that there have been very few refereeing mistakes over the course of our last 1,000 games. One thing I can safely say is that Stoke have got away with a fair few red cards in their time.
Furthermore, if you look at the stats you'll see that not many of those red cards were for serious foul play or violent conduct.
And anyway, the point I was making is not that they foul, but that they deliberately set out to play like this, which is wrong.
The red cards Wenger has racked up over the years were not as a result of a dirty tactic to hurt our opponents. They were, by and large, down to the individual. Wenger never sends a team of his out to play like that. At least that's my educated guess, but I highly doubt anyone genuinely disagrees with me about that. You may pretend to disagree, Mex, because it is convenient for the argument you are making, but we both know deep down that Wenger is not the type of manager or the type of person to encourage his players to kick the opposition.
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blimey all that for a 3 word comment
posted on 5/3/14
Sheepthrills, the 1st point is simply not true, whilst the 2nd point (partly true, but all managers are guilty of it) seems to me to be kind of irrelevant.
posted on 5/3/14
blimey all that for a 3 word comment
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He posted a well thought out counter-argument and that's your reply...smh... Is this not a football forum to discuss football related things?
This site is full of idiots looking to just wind up people.. Not enough people actually willing to discuss and debate the game we love so much. It's why I hardly post here any more.
posted on 5/3/14
comment by Hello. (U12286)
posted 22 minutes ago
blimey all that for a 3 word comment
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He posted a well thought out counter-argument and that's your reply...smh... Is this not a football forum to discuss football related things?
This site is full of idiots looking to just wind up people.. Not enough people actually willing to discuss and debate the game we love so much. It's why I hardly post here any more.
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You know what, I wholeheartedly agree.
posted on 5/3/14
Forget about being 'so over that stuff'
I say kick their heads in in the tunnel :/
posted on 5/3/14
I hope the Russians invade stoke and annex them. Or at least use it for a nuclear testing ground
posted on 5/3/14
Here's the thing about Stoke - the main defence of their thuggery was 'they don't have the resources to play pretty passing football, so they have to make do with what they have.'
What nobody seems to realise is that, in their first two seasons in the top flight, they spent over £50m on players. Hardly a shoe-string budget that would only bring kick-and-rush players.
The real issue is this - Stoke City represent a throwback to a time in football which some English people prefer. A time when a day at the football was a chance to drink yourself stupid, direct mindless prejudice at anyone who wasn't white and start a massive punch-up.
posted on 5/3/14
Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke. There's always cloggers, but we're not capable of dealing with them with the present set of players and manager. If they don't practice tackling in training then there's no chance of changing this.
posted on 5/3/14
Stoke know arsenal have a weak mentality and exploit it time and again
Look closer to home to see the problem because it really isn't stokes fault that arsenal lack bottle and a winning mentality
posted on 5/3/14
There is still no excuse to continually stamp on players foot,
posted on 5/3/14
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot #SAVEDAVE (U1037)
posted 15 minutes ago
You see you can't actually stamp on players. I think that's probably where you have confused yourself.
Do you realise this?
Is anyone blaming stoke for arsenal being trophyless?? I don't think they are.
posted on 5/3/14
100 red cards over 17 and a half years is nothing. It works out to be 6 red cards a season which is pretty average.
posted on 6/3/14
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Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke.
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I would too. If the unintended message from this topic is that Arsenal players are intimidated by teams like Stoke, then, maybe, that says more about the Gunners than it does about Stoke.
The "candy ass" style of back-and-forth across the field style of football that Arsenal has been playing perhaps creates "softer" players. I've been saying for a long time that Arsenal needs a couple of "hard men" on the field to balance these types of situations.
posted on 6/3/14
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 17 hours, 34 minutes ago
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Would like to see an Arsenal team that could stand up to a side like Stoke.
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I would too. If the unintended message from this topic is that Arsenal players are intimidated by teams like Stoke, then, maybe, that says more about the Gunners than it does about Stoke.
The "candy ass" style of back-and-forth across the field style of football that Arsenal has been playing perhaps creates "softer" players. I've been saying for a long time that Arsenal needs a couple of "hard men" on the field to balance these types of situations.
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These comments make for good rhetoric, but when you actually analyse the games we've played against Stoke there is very little basis for them. Can you give me one specific example? When Giroud got stamped on, should he have just got up and pretended it never happened? When Wilshere got kneed in the side of the leg, should he have kneed the opposing player back?
posted on 6/3/14
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot #SAVEDAVE (U1037)
posted 20 hours, 11 minutes ago
Stoke know arsenal have a weak mentality and exploit it time and again
Look closer to home to see the problem because it really isn't stokes fault that arsenal lack bottle and a winning mentality
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You've failed to engage with a single point I've made. When Giroud got stamped on, was that a lack of bottle and winning mentality? Was that an example of Stoke being braver and stronger than arsenal? Again, if you re-watch the games we've played against Stoke you'll quite clearly see that their tactics against us are unacceptable, and that is the problem. Not to say that our mentality is perfect, but that does not excuse what they do or change the fact that they do it.
posted on 6/3/14
Arshavin,
I don't think that Stoke kicks the stuffing out of every team's players. They know what they are dealing with when they play the Gunners. With all due respect, you are part of the "poor little Arsenal" mentality that isn't going to be corrected until the word gets out that these offenses will not solely be left up to the referee, but maybe there will be some "on-field" consequences? In the mean time
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